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LOL, at Greeks and Italians getting above 1% SSA :P
Gedrosia calculators in general are optimized for individuals with predominantly S Asian or W Asian Ancestry So I would not be surprised if it overestimated my E_Eurasian component :
Population :
E_Eurasian 3.44
SSA 0.42
W_Eurasian 96.14
However, I am well within the modern European normal range which is 95% W_Eurasian and above.
Why are you laughing at Greeks and Italians when you have some SSA yourself? You can use the 1 drop rule if you want to play that game and it looks like you have 42 drops LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by TEUTORIGOS
Anyways, there is virtually NO meaningful difference between 0.40 and 1.01. You'd literally be splitting hairs with 0.61%.
Besides, the average White American has some RECENT SSA in them as per 23andme's average due to the colonial nature of the country and slavery. At least the SSA if it exists, in Greeks and Italians, is ancient and not recent. You can't say the same for the average White American where admixture has only taken place in the last 500 years with Amerindians and Blacks.
"The researchers found that European-Americans had genomes that were on average 98.6 percent European, .19 percent African, and .18 Native American." - https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/25/s...ity-study.html
All Europeans have Basal SSA in them. A few %. Nobody is free of it. This calculator measures ancient genomes I think but does it relatively poorly.
This calculator isn't meant for modern day individuals. The results are wrong and they overestimate the results of SSA for Southern Europeans. I saw someone who was only HALF Italian get 1% SSA. That doesn't make any sense given what we know about admixture in Southern Europeans.
Some Spaniards and Northern Italians get no SSA but Norweigans get 0.08? Bullshit. Norweigans OBVIOUSLY have less SSA than Spaniards, it just makes logical sense. Basques included. The calculator is fucked.
You're better off using Eurogenes.
Calculator is wrong. Full Spaniards definetley have SSA. More than Italians or Greeks. You know it's wrong when it shows a Spanish person as 100% W_Eurasian but a Norweigan person as having 0.08% SSA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petalpusher
Eurasia K3 Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 96.16
2 E_Eurasian 3.84
Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lithuanian @ 0.000000
2 Hungarian @ 0.274568
3 Ukrainian @ 0.624512
4 Bulgarian @ 1.114490
5 Norwegian @ 1.265331
6 Georgian @ 1.379323
7 Belarusian @ 1.546629
8 Czech @ 1.615664
9 Croatian @ 1.699715
10 Estonian @ 2.210319
11 Albanian @ 2.463235
12 French @ 2.525867
13 Armenian @ 2.617859
14 Greek @ 2.750793
15 Abkhasian @ 2.780035
16 English @ 3.032735
17 Loschbour @ 3.230254
18 Spanish @ 3.556102
19 Georgian_Jew @ 3.576594
20 Assyrian @ 3.732844
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +50% Croatian @ 0.000000
2 50% Belarusian +50% Czech @ 0.000000
3 50% Belarusian +50% Norwegian @ 0.000000
4 50% Croatian +50% Estonian @ 0.000000
5 50% Czech +50% Estonian @ 0.000000
6 50% English +50% Loschbour @ 0.000000
7 50% Estonian +50% French @ 0.000000
8 50% Hungarian +50% Lithuanian @ 0.000000
9 50% Hungarian +50% Ukrainian @ 0.000000
10 50% Lithuanian +50% Lithuanian @ 0.000000
11 50% Lithuanian +50% Ukrainian @ 0.000000
12 50% Norwegian +50% Ukrainian @ 0.000000
13 50% Hungarian +50% Hungarian @ 0.274568
14 50% Chechen +50% Stuttgart @ 0.292381
15 50% French +50% Loschbour @ 0.345741
16 50% Albanian +50% Estonian @ 0.352750
17 50% Bulgarian +50% Ukrainian @ 0.374300
18 50% English +50% Estonian @ 0.413430
19 50% Belarusian +50% French @ 0.418818
20 50% French_South +50% Loschbour @ 0.446712
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +25% Belarusian +25% Bergamo @ 0.000000
Done.
I get 0 SSA :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TEUTORIGOS
Which is weird. You should be getting MORE than him. Maybe 0.70 or something. Someone who is half Italian and half British Isles would get something like 0.50 maybe. Not a full 1%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Decius
Maybe he has SSA ancestry from his colonial ancestry? Anyway east euros get the least SSA on this calcQuote:
Originally Posted by BadSeedXii
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 76.84
2 E_Eurasian 22.49
Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kalash @ 0.875063
2 Pashtun_Afghan @ 2.040473
3 Pathan @ 3.381350
4 Tajik_Pomiri @ 4.235291
5 Tajik @ 4.724764
6 Balochi @ 4.730951
7 Brahui @ 5.142282
8 Sindhi @ 8.136849
9 Makrani @ 8.595999
10 Kurd_SE @ 8.719962
11 GujaratiA @ 10.770365
12 Kshatriya @ 10.986843
13 Kashmiri_Pandit @ 12.389088
14 Uzbek_Afghan @ 12.566777
15 Tajik_Afghan @ 14.371593
16 Balkar @ 14.460731
17 Turkmen @ 14.941436
18 Turkish @ 15.081805
19 GujaratiB @ 16.217466
20 UP_Brahmin @ 16.249363
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +50% Hazara_Afghan @ 0.000000
2 50% Balkar +50% Tajik_Afghan @ 0.000000
3 50% Balkar +50% Turkmen @ 0.000000
4 50% Chechen +50% Punjabi @ 0.000000
5 50% Croatian +50% UP_Muslim @ 0.000000
6 50% Czech +50% UP_Muslim @ 0.000000
7 50% Greek +50% Hazara_Afghan @ 0.000000
8 50% GujaratiB +50% Russian @ 0.000000
9 50% Kanjar +50% Norwegian @ 0.000000
10 50% Norwegian +50% UP_Muslim @ 0.000000
11 50% Stuttgart +50% UP_Caste @ 0.000000
12 50% Burusho +50% Russian @ 0.272143
13 50% Stuttgart +50% Uzbek @ 0.282693
14 50% Russian +50% UP_Brahmin @ 0.295343
15 50% Hungarian +50% Kanjar @ 0.296188
16 50% English +50% Velama @ 0.313757
17 50% GujaratiD +50% Ukrainian @ 0.315556
18 50% Finnish +50% GujaratiB @ 0.318237
19 50% Kanjar +50% Lithuanian @ 0.321884
20 50% French +50% UP_Muslim @ 0.331896
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Abkhasian +25% Altaian +25% Georgian_Jew @ 0.000000
I know that. Polish and Russian get the least. I still think a lot of the calculations are off and have a margin of error though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Decius
Anyway I think this calc overestimates the amount of E Eurasian euros have as usually on other calcs I get 1-2% Mong
South Eurasian shouldn't have been included under East Eurasian -_- Would have been a much better calc if it wasn't.
Not only Euros, but everybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Decius
I think the SSA estimations for Southern Euros are off as well. Sicilians are 3% SSA on the average sheet? No way. Dodecads project has full Sicilians at 1% or 0.7 I think. I can't remember but not 3%.
I got no SSA on my 23andme test but a bit on this calculator. Doesn't match up. I trust the 23andme test. With calculators there are so many and they give different results. No way in hell you know which one is the right one.
get on my level
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Abkhasian @ 0.000000
2 Georgian_Jew @ 1.394335
3 Georgian @ 1.453113
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Abkhasian +25% Abkhasian +25% Abkhasian @ 0.000000
What did you score on this calc?Quote:
Originally Posted by BadSeedXii
1.58. I'm only half Italian though. Half British Isles and 10% Polish. No SSA on my 23andme test. No colonial ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Decius
If someone who is fully Sicilian is 1% SSA and I'm only half Italian there's no way my % is correct.
Other calculators give me no SSA. Eurogenes and Dodecad give me no SSA.
The calc is BS as are most calcs on gedmatch I only trust a few Gedmatch calcs like Dodecad k12b and eurogenes k13Quote:
Originally Posted by BadSeedXii
I trust the 23andme test the most since it was actually done in a lab. These calculators are made by "enthusiasts".Quote:
Originally Posted by Decius
Dodecad is good though. Eurogenes is reputable as well. The other ones are garbage.
23andMe is wayyyyy worse than GEDmatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by BadSeedXii
All they did in the lab was extract the DNA. The data for what percentage European, etc. you are is just 23andMe's calc designed for New World mongrels who want to know what country their ancestors are from. GEDmatch completely blows 23andMe out of the water. There are some bad GEDmatch calcs like Gedrosia K3, but most of them are better at interpreting your ancestry than 23andMe is.
Not really. Most of the GEDmatch calculators are shit. If someone is 3% SSA, it's going to come out on a 23andme test. That's too big of a % to not show up. These calculators are made by random people. I trust a lab that is certified more then I do some random calculator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
I'd say the only good ones at interpreting your ancestry are Eurogenes and Dodecad.
GEDmatch is shit and gives very different results on every other calcQuote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
23andme is very good for SSA and East Eurasian because that DNA is so distinct from other groups. If you don't show any then it's safe to say you don't have any.Quote:
Originally Posted by Decius
I took AncestryDNA and I am 100% West Eurasian according to them at the end of the day the test that you payed for is more accurateQuote:
Originally Posted by BadSeedXii
23andme was only able to calculate 99.6% of my ancestry and it was all European with some tiny "Yakut" that went away on Conservative mode. Also had something like 0.2% Ashkenazi and 0.1% MENA on Conservative mode. I think those were just noise results though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Decius
23andMe just tells you that you're a mix of every population that settled in your region and they define regions (East Europe, South Asia, etc) based on political borders and their subjective opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BadSeedXii
23andMe tells me I'm 87.5% South Asian, 11.5% Middle Eastern, 0.4% Southern European, and 0.6% undefined. However, I get significant European admixtures on most GEDmatch calcs (~20%), and have never gotten more than 35% South Asian (South Asian is defined by different components on different calcs) on any calcs.
I posted my results in this thread in case you're curious: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...3andMe-Results
The lab just extracts DNA, it doesn't create a calculator.
Yeah most likely noise. AncestryDNA misinterprets a lot of South Euro ancestry for Caucasus and MENA, I have seen someone get 9% Caucasus on itQuote:
Originally Posted by BadSeedXii
On a continent level it's extremely accurate when it comes to distinguishing SSA from East Asian and European though. Those aren't borders, those are distinct human genetic races.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
I don't need a "calculator" made by enthusiasts. I want an ISO certified lab to give me my results. At least with the lab you get ONE solid result. With these calculators you get 20 different results.
23andMe tells you that you're a mix of every single genetic populace that lived in your homeland. Wow, very accurate and informative.Quote:
Originally Posted by BadSeedXii
If you don't get any SSA in most GEDmatch calcs, then it's most likely just noise. Since SSA is typical for some groups, it doesn't show up on 23andMe since SSA is treated as if it's native to where they are from.
But sometimes GEDmatch calcs can show SSA when it isn't there based on some misinterpretation so not all GEDmatch calcs are good, but most/many are.
Well, geez, with the 25 different calculators that's really helpful. That's like asking me to pick a coin out of a jellybean jar to find "the right one".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
I don't score SSA on most of the calculators. Some tiny 0.x results that are on some and totally absent on others. NONE of them get a constant 1% result though minus this K3 garbage.
Eurasia K3 Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 95.76
2 E_Eurasian 4.24
Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian @ 0.000000
2 Lithuanian @ 0.776364
3 Hungarian @ 0.906156
4 Belarusian @ 0.974432
5 Georgian @ 1.387959
6 Bulgarian @ 1.560130
7 Estonian @ 1.638122
8 Norwegian @ 1.837502
9 Czech @ 2.187812
10 Abkhasian @ 2.230317
11 Croatian @ 2.271604
12 Armenian @ 2.623279
13 Loschbour @ 2.658057
14 Albanian @ 3.005868
15 French @ 3.091764
16 Georgian_Jew @ 3.249079
17 Greek @ 3.260402
18 English @ 3.604673
19 Assyrian @ 3.721206
20 Iranian_Jew @ 3.848926
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +50% Hungarian @ 0.000000
2 50% Belarusian +50% Lithuanian @ 0.000000
3 50% Croatian +50% Estonian @ 0.000000
4 50% Croatian +50% Loschbour @ 0.000000
5 50% Czech +50% Estonian @ 0.000000
6 50% Czech +50% Loschbour @ 0.000000
7 50% Estonian +50% Norwegian @ 0.000000
8 50% French +50% Loschbour @ 0.000000
9 50% Ukrainian +50% Ukrainian @ 0.000000
10 50% Chechen +50% Stuttgart @ 0.252967
11 50% Lithuanian +50% Ukrainian @ 0.268667
12 50% Estonian +50% Hungarian @ 0.279472
13 50% Abkhasian +50% Norwegian @ 0.292300
14 50% Abkhasian +50% Czech @ 0.299350
15 50% Abkhasian +50% Croatian @ 0.327550
16 50% Loschbour +50% Norwegian @ 0.410380
17 50% Hungarian +50% Ukrainian @ 0.428904
18 50% Estonian +50% Lithuanian @ 0.430883
19 50% Belarusian +50% Norwegian @ 0.431576
20 50% Albanian +50% Loschbour @ 0.435043
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +25% Belarusian +25% Croatian @ 0.000000
Done.
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On most calcs, do you get SSA or not? I've gotten SSA on like 2-3 calcs, but I don't on the vast majority of them. So it's easy to tell if it's just something wrong with the calc or legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BadSeedXii
I just told you, no I don't. On the very few I do they are just 0.x %'s. But on most of them, especially Dodecad and Eurogenes, I get none.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
Okay, then you don't have SSA. Simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BadSeedXii
I revised my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
I DO get MENA on the calculators though but everybody gets that.
All Europeans have some MENA but it doesn't show up on 23andMe, so that is one reason why GEDmatch is better. But if you don't care about your ancient ancestry, then 23andMe is probably better for your.Quote:
Originally Posted by BadSeedXii
Well, you mention ANCIENT ancestry. We ALL have SSA then do we not? We all came from Africa so we all have Basal SSA. If we measure ancient ancestry we might as well go back to the very beginning. These calculators don't make any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
1 W_Eurasian 95.09
2 E_Eurasian 4.91
Damn sonQuote:
Originally Posted by Kouros
# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 94.84
2 SSA 3.17
3 E_Eurasian 1.99
Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 0.553669
2 Assyrian @ 0.745069
3 Sicilian @ 1.063554
4 Iraqi_Jew @ 1.268308
5 Cypriot @ 1.382617
6 Armenian @ 1.431296
7 Iranian_Jew @ 1.688069
8 Spanish @ 2.571667
9 Georgian @ 2.614615
10 Georgian_Jew @ 2.836047
11 Bulgarian @ 3.051351
12 Greek @ 3.232096
13 Albanian @ 3.586607
14 Hungarian @ 3.791374
15 Lithuanian @ 3.890831
16 Ukrainian @ 3.957403
17 Norwegian @ 3.963929
18 Croatian @ 4.001364
19 Czech @ 4.040399
20 French @ 4.067259
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian +50% Cypriot @ 0.000000
2 50% Assyrian +50% Sicilian @ 0.000000
3 50% Cypriot +50% Iranian_Jew @ 0.000000
4 50% Iranian_Jew +50% Sicilian @ 0.000000
5 50% Ashkenazi_Jew +50% Sicilian @ 0.252342
6 50% Ashkenazi_Jew +50% Cypriot @ 0.409642
7 50% Ashkenazi_Jew +50% Ashkenazi_Jew @ 0.553669
8 50% Armenian +50% Iraqi_Jew @ 0.591725
9 50% Armenian +50% Cypriot @ 0.621996
10 50% Ashkenazi_Jew +50% Assyrian @ 0.635230
11 50% Iraqi_Jew +50% Sicilian @ 0.646877
12 50% Armenian +50% Sicilian @ 0.648396
13 50% Armenian +50% Ashkenazi_Jew @ 0.744308
14 50% Cypriot +50% Georgian_Jew @ 0.744882
15 50% Assyrian +50% Assyrian @ 0.745069
16 50% Iranian_Jew +50% Spanish @ 0.776967
17 50% Assyrian +50% Iraqi_Jew @ 0.805522
18 50% Iraqi_Jew +50% Spanish @ 0.811502
19 50% Cypriot +50% Iraqi_Jew @ 0.824106
20 50% Ashkenazi_Jew +50% Iraqi_Jew @ 0.886486
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Albanian +25% Jordanian @ 0.000000
W_Eurasian 69.36
E_Eurasian 29.86
SSA 0.78