Where did haplogroup E1b1b in Europeans come from?

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Originally Posted by kingjohn

Jews not rule the usa it is a lie the fact you going to tell it few more time
doesn't make it correct
Jews maybe control Hollywood that's it there was never a jewish president to the usa it is a fact you can't ignore
i said it before like many other think the Jews have much more power than what they actuality have .


p.s
and christiano
Jews cluster with sicilian and calabrians not with Tuscan or north Italians
the ethnicity of longbarda and gica ...... :picard2:

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even if they clustered with more northern italians i don t see where is the problem.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Back to the topic: I think the haplogroup is mainly Neolithic, but in the southernmost places it might as well be of medieval Arab origin.

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agree e-v13 neolithic in europe a
and e-m81 moorish in iberia
and e-m123 arab/ roman jews

e-v68 the ancestor of e-m78 and also e-v13 :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68 :)

e-z827 the ancestor of both e-z830 and e-L19
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-Z827 :)

Sea Peoples and maybe Thracians

sons of Goliath

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Originally Posted by TheBedouin

Ethiopians and Somalis

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Ethiopians and Somalis never came to Europe ,
the only african genes in Europe found in south Spain and south italy and
they have not EV13 (the only one exist in Europe).

EV13 can found mostly in Balkans and have 0% African genes ,
Eupedia write that is came with indoeuropeans

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Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo

Silence, Jew. You are luckily that you dont live some centuries ago :laugh:

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Stfu bitch, learn how to read

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Originally Posted by Norka

Balkaniggers

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Russian R1a Left vs Balkanigga EV13 right

https://tallguysfree.com/upload/2017...2-c9fe4647.jpg

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Originally Posted by DarknessWin

Russian R1a Left vs Balkanigga EV13 right

https://tallguysfree.com/upload/2017...2-c9fe4647.jpg

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Are you trying to offend me you stupid monkey I'm E-V13

^ lol

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Originally Posted by DarknessWin

Sea Peoples and maybe Thracians

sons of Goliath

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indid
you know what funny the ramses the guy that actuley won them in egypt is e1b1a { some in the net claim he was e-v22 though}
small world .....
e-v13 is european
e-m81 is moorish and e-m123 my clade is jew/arab thats how it goes these are the rules :)

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Originally Posted by Longobarda

Hahahha you wish. Yours sephardic jews were not all expelled from Spain. As you PERFECTLY KNOW, many converted or pretended to convert to christianism in order to keep their goods. Many kept their original surnames, many others adopted "christian" surnames. Maybe you are one of them and you don't know.
Still TODAY, Israel calls Spain SEPHARAD.

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Oh wow, you're quite informative!

just did k25 test in gene plazza i score 0% iberian
that explain everything and why i don't get very well with the iberians in this
forum it is genetic :rotfl:

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https://www.theapricity.com/forum/im...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Longobarda https://www.theapricity.com/forum/im...post-right.png Jews of Bologna are famous for what? Sephardis ended everywere, in Morocco, in Turkey (the illuminated Soliman the magnificent understood that they were cult, clever and rich), in Greece (Thessaloníki), in Israel, in Portugal (then expelled as well), in Italy (cities that I've already mentioned before), in Holland, in France, In Poland, in Germany, in Switzerland, in Hungary, in England, in Russia..... etc. etc. not only in Italy. BUT MANY OF THEM REMAINED IN SPAIN with surnames taken by the "christians" (christians like you, that means ZERO christians).

STOP CALLING YOUR KINGS ISABEL AND FERNANDO "CATHOLIC". THEY WERE NEITHER CATHOLIC NOR HUMAN BEING.

EVEN THE POPES DID NOT EXPEL THE JEWS!!!!!

p.s. the "italian" haplo J is NEOLITHIC, not jew. Of course, if you go and tale samples from people of Ferrara or Livorno, the probability that you find "jew" haplogroup is high, those were cities historically hosting the sephardic jews of Spain

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Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo

This is not what genetic and history say, Terrona :thumb001:

Cities historically hostil to Jews? you are truly ignorant. Learn a bit about the historical Sephardi Jewish community of Bologna :thumb001:

The only cities historically l hostil to Jews... were those where Spaniards ruled, analphabet :lol:

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This so DUMB guy calls me ANALPHABET when the only ANALPHABET here is him!! Start learning english stupid chorizo!! TO HOST means have somebody as guest and not to be HOSTILE.

Cristiano viejo is a chorizo viejo y podrido

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Originally Posted by Drawing-slim

There no American president that will be sworn in office without sworn loyalty to isreal first.
Isreali prime minister held meeting and speech in congress without Obama’s approval nor invitation, which is unprecedented in history of any country. So who owns the US?
It Germany not Britain, not Italy, no other country in the world has more power and influence on US like isreal does.

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in my debate with Cristiano Viejo we were not talking about present days Israel, which is not defensible on their behaviour to palestinians, we were talking about medioeval jews in Spain (then partially expelled) who were those who translated greek texts of the most famous philosophers, people with a great culture that could cohabit peacefully with christians and muslims in many cities of Spain, but specially in Toledo. That era was brilliant from a cultural point of view but Cristiano Viejo who is racist hates both arabs and jews because he thinks that spaniards are a superior race. Which is not true at all.

you may be wrong i think he meant Hostile.. and not to host


but yes, he understood wrongly

he understood that you wrote host as hostile


btw it seems worst christian fanatism in the world was in spain. no one reached the level of inquisition except them

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Originally Posted by GiCa

you may be wrong i think he meant Hostile.. and not to host


but yes, he understood wrongly

he understood that you wrote host as hostile


btw it seems worst christian fanatism in the world was in spain. no one reached the level of inquisition except them

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He does not know english. That's it. HOSTED is not HOSTILE. The first is a verb "TO HOST" in past tense third plural person. The second is an adjective!!
But he is such an arrogant person that he calls me "analphabet" ....... very negative guy

http://community.haplozone.net/

http://www.haplozone.net/e3b/project

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/e-3b/activity-feed :)

https://youtu.be/pRpeEdMmmQ0

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Originally Posted by Linebacker

https://youtu.be/pRpeEdMmmQ0

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common :thumb001:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMPjkfCGz2k

we were in the levant from the beginning of time you are confusing with e1b1a dude

Ancient DNA
According to the genetic analyses done on six Natufian remains from Northern Israel, the Natufians carried the Y-DNA haplogroup E-Z830, a slightly upwind clade of E-M123 (and therefore ancestral to it).[1] The Natufians were one of the first settled peoples in the world and may have contributed to the domestication of certain crops, and thus the advent of agriculture. The discovery of E-Z830 (without other clades) suggests an indigenous presence in Canaan and Israel that predates all other clades, which are not known to have existed in the region at the time (10,000 years before present). E-M123 is thought to have a MRCA about 4,750 years ago,[2] 5-6,000 years after the Natufian (possibly ancestral) remains are from, suggesting a South Levantine origin for M123 and subclades like M34 and M136. :thumb001:

Where did haplogroup E1b1b in Europeans come from?

They came from North Africa and Middle East, as it originated there (E1b1b). The key point is that some of them came a long fucking time ago..

E1b1b is a sub-Saharan closely related to the E1b1a. It must have ended up in Europe via expansion tens of thousands of years ago.


https://www.somalispot.com/attachments/3498/

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Originally Posted by Excel

E1b1b is a sub-Saharan closely related to the E1b1a. It must have ended up in Europe via expansion tens of thousands of years ago.

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I'm Ethiopian yo

23andme points it to somewhere around Kenya . at least in my case

maybe I interpreted it wrong

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Originally Posted by Excel

E1b1b is a sub-Saharan closely related to the E1b1a. It must have ended up in Europe via expansion tens of thousands of years ago.


https://www.somalispot.com/attachments/3498/

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It's not Sub-Saharan. Eb1b only reaches highest frequencies in Afro-Asiatic people like North Africa and east Africa. South Europe, Balkan. There's a Berber tribe where E1b1b reachest 90%.

The East Africans are not Sub-Saharan, they are linguistically like the Arabs and North Africans. By DNA they are also mix a of west Eurasian and Sub-Saharan.

Neolithic farmers

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Originally Posted by Decius

Black Neolithic farmers

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Fixed.

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Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo

Fixed.

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lol

It was brought by Slavs who came from Egypt.

Slavs at that time had darker tan and spoke a Slavic language that sounded more Middle Eastern.

After the moved to Europe and the Steppes they became more blond and their language also changed"due to the milder climate"

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Originally Posted by cybernautic

It was brought by Slavs who came from Egypt.

Slavs at that time had darker tan and spoke a Slavic language that sounded more Middle Eastern.

After the moved to Europe and the Steppes they became more blond and their language also changed"due to the milder climate"

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:lmao

E1b1b was born at Ethiopia/Sudan region around 42,000 years ago, and it has expanded to Egypt around 30,000 years ago and from there to Northwest Africa, West Asia and Europe.

The builders of Atlantis carried this.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Real-Location

Neolithic.

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Originally Posted by Rocinante

Neolithic.

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It's more complex for iberia and italy

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Originally Posted by Nassbean

It's more complex for iberia and italy

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Well, there was an E1b (M78) found in the chalcolithic period:

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Originally Posted by Rocinante

Chalcolithic:

https://indoeuropeo.eu/wp-content/up...alcolithic.png

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Either it came directly from N. Africa (not widely accepted) or it came from Anatolia (widely accepted).

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Originally Posted by Rocinante

Well, there was an E1b (M78) found in the chalcolithic period:

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and so ? Most e1b1b subclades in iberia are much more recent and were introduced directly by north african settlers

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

Either it came directly from N. Africa (not widely accepted) or it came from Anatolia (widely accepted).

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it came from both especially in the case of iberia and italy

Problem is that the modern distribution of E-M78 clades is widely centred in West Asia. Populations such as the Druze have very high amounts of E-V13.

The Druze are one of the most ancient communities in West Asia.

but this doesn't seem to match up with aDNA.

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Originally Posted by Nassbean

and so ? Most e1b1b subclades in iberia are much more recent and were introduced directly by north african settlers

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You wish.

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Originally Posted by Nassbean

and so ? Most e1b1b subclades in iberia are much more recent and were introduced directly by north african settlers

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Here we go, my stubborn brother.

Of the 9% of E1b1 in Iberia, only 4% are M81, this, indeed, were introduced by berbers or by punics/carthagians that had a decent north african admixture.

1 sample of E-M78 in the chalcolithic is more than enough to justify the 4% of E-M78 in Iberia.