Serbian Autosomal DNA

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03-21-2020, 01:31 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

This guy is also Livno Croatian Attachment 96356

^^
Similar as one other Livno Croatian posted by someone on this forum.

These are Dalmatian or Herzegovinian Croatians:
- Šarić Attachment 96357
- Starčević Attachment 96358

Yes, I know according to you Serbs are 35% Baltic and Croats are 28% Baltic xD
03-21-2020, 01:32 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

2wy oracle isn't working so i'll post 4-way.

these 2 are from Komiža, their genealogy is online.

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Admix Results (sorted): # Population Percent 1 Baltic 31.18 2 North_Atlantic 25.61 3 West_Med 14.90 4 West_Asian 12.92 5 East_Med 11.53 6 Red_Sea 1.50 Finished reading population data. 204 populations found. 13 components mode. -------------------------------- Least-squares method. Using 1 population approximation: 1 Moldavian @ 4.470045 2 Serbian @ 6.991731 3 Croatian @ 7.544109 4 Hungarian @ 9.161648 5 Romanian @ 9.843548 6 Bulgarian @ 12.236260 7 Austrian @ 13.443974 8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 14.143229 9 East_German @ 14.599335 10 South_Polish @ 15.136996 11 Ukrainian @ 15.828387 12 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 19.095716 13 Polish @ 19.133120 14 Southwest_Russian @ 19.248276 15 West_German @ 20.758039 16 Tatar @ 20.933420 17 Russian_Smolensk @ 21.327600 18 Greek_Thessaly @ 22.275949 19 Estonian_Polish @ 22.293104 20 South_Dutch @ 22.526752 Using 2 populations approximation: 1 50% Moldavian +50% Serbian @ 3.901212 Using 3 populations approximation: 1 50% Estonian_Polish +25% Kumyk +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.050984 Using 4 populations approximation: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 1.969941 2 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.390536 3 Armenian + Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_French @ 2.730150 4 Armenian + Belorussian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.730657 5 Armenian + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.748285 6 Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.759953 7 Armenian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.766493 8 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.832171 9 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.869702 10 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.979829 11 Lithuanian + Southwest_French + Turkish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.039088 12 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.046434 13 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Kumyk + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.050984 14 Armenian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.055322 15 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.067375 16 Estonian + Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 3.072722 17 Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_French @ 3.088090 18 Armenian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.092824 19 Armenian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French + Southwest_Russian @ 3.096580 20 Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.103257

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Admix Results (sorted): # Population Percent 1 Baltic 32.13 2 North_Atlantic 25.83 3 East_Med 14.86 4 West_Med 13.92 5 West_Asian 9.14 6 Red_Sea 2.20 7 Amerindian 1.02 Finished reading population data. 204 populations found. 13 components mode. -------------------------------- Least-squares method. Using 1 population approximation: 1 Moldavian @ 5.304939 2 Serbian @ 5.525979 3 Croatian @ 7.112947 4 Hungarian @ 8.420576 5 Romanian @ 9.262959 6 Bulgarian @ 11.552200 7 Austrian @ 13.593200 8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 14.108592 9 South_Polish @ 14.717138 10 East_German @ 14.743503 11 Ukrainian @ 15.446853 12 Southwest_Russian @ 18.590298 13 Polish @ 18.749239 14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 18.940451 15 Russian_Smolensk @ 20.854279 16 West_German @ 21.041792 17 Estonian_Polish @ 21.406027 18 Greek_Thessaly @ 21.514477 19 Belorussian @ 21.894377 20 Tatar @ 22.223007 Using 2 populations approximation: 1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +50% Lithuanian @ 1.539960 Using 3 populations approximation: 1 50% Bulgarian +25% Hungarian +25% Southwest_Russian @ 1.503987 Using 4 populations approximation: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Polish @ 1.158023 2 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Abruzzo + Polish @ 1.336486 3 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Romanian + South_Polish @ 1.392316 4 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Polish + Romanian @ 1.411079 5 Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian + South_Polish @ 1.422413 6 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Romanian + Serbian @ 1.444278 7 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Serbian + South_Polish @ 1.488720 8 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Russian_Smolensk @ 1.490492 9 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Ukrainian @ 1.500970 10 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + Southwest_Russian @ 1.503987 11 Belorussian + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + Southwest_Russian @ 1.505844 12 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Lithuanian @ 1.505848 13 Bulgarian + Serbian + Serbian + Southwest_Russian @ 1.508326 14 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian @ 1.516765 15 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Southwest_Russian @ 1.523410 16 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.529142 17 Belorussian + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 1.536734 18 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 1.539960 19 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Estonian + South_Polish @ 1.546894 20 Belorussian + Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.549054

her surname appears only in Brac and Split (Cekalovic)

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Admix Results (sorted): # Population Percent 1 Baltic 31.97 2 North_Atlantic 27.72 3 East_Med 14.44 4 West_Med 14.37 5 West_Asian 8.36 Finished reading population data. 204 populations found. 13 components mode. -------------------------------- Least-squares method. Using 1 population approximation: 1 Serbian @ 5.526596 2 Moldavian @ 5.961098 3 Croatian @ 6.662043 4 Hungarian @ 6.742182 5 Romanian @ 9.963482 6 Austrian @ 11.696405 7 Bulgarian @ 12.536322 8 East_German @ 12.849939 9 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 13.894997 10 South_Polish @ 13.949632 11 Ukrainian @ 15.024033 12 Polish @ 18.190769 13 Southwest_Russian @ 18.667328 14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 19.058491 15 West_German @ 19.176407 16 Russian_Smolensk @ 20.669033 17 South_Dutch @ 20.989019 18 Estonian_Polish @ 21.189617 19 Belorussian @ 21.585911 20 French @ 22.177008 Using 2 populations approximation: 1 50% Croatian +50% Serbian @ 2.659262 Using 3 populations approximation: 1 50% Bulgarian +25% Hungarian +25% Polish @ 2.176602 Using 4 populations approximation: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 Austrian + Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian @ 1.777297 2 Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish @ 2.010614 3 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + East_German @ 2.089073 4 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Serbian + South_Polish @ 2.104203 5 Belorussian + Bulgarian + South_Polish + Tuscan @ 2.115069 6 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian @ 2.115509 7 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 2.127868 8 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + Romanian @ 2.136819 9 Belorussian + Romanian + Serbian + Serbian @ 2.170874 10 Greek_Thessaly + Serbian + South_Polish + South_Polish @ 2.175227 11 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + Polish @ 2.176602 12 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Polish + Romanian @ 2.185073 13 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Serbian + Serbian @ 2.218720 14 Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Serbian @ 2.227827 15 Serbian + South_Polish + Tuscan + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.238050 16 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + East_German + Southwest_Russian @ 2.248845 17 Austrian + Belorussian + Bulgarian + Romanian @ 2.248897 18 Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.254875 19 Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.267302 20 Austrian + Bulgarian + Romanian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.270847

Thanks! I think my Čakavian side which is 50% of my ancestry would be similar to these results.
03-21-2020, 02:14 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Est.1992

Yes, I know according to you Serbs are 35% Baltic and Croats are 28% Baltic xD

I never said that. I have seen only 5 Serbs with 35% or more Baltic, one of them is over 36%.

Max Soldo from Livno is 37% Baltic, but other few Livno Croatians are 28-29% Baltic. This indicates that there is something non-local in the recent Soldo's bloodline. How to explain such huge difference between people from same place of same ethnicity whose ancestors lived there many generations?
03-21-2020, 02:17 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

I never said that. I have seen only 5 Serbs with 35% or more Baltic, one of them is over 36%.

Max Soldo from Livno is 37% Baltic, but other few Livno Croatians are 28-29% Baltic. This indicates that there is something non-local in the recent Soldo's bloodline. How to explain such huge difference between people from same place of same ethnicity whose ancestors lived there many generations?

He is not fully native to Livno but has some Dalmatian ancestry far back. But I am not sure, some regions have diversity.
I saw west Herzegovina Croats ranging from very Slavic to very Balkan, probably same with Serbs in many regions.
03-21-2020, 02:29 PM
Ljubic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

This guy is also Livno Croatian Attachment 96356

^^
Similar as one other Livno Croatian posted by someone on this forum.

These are Dalmatian or Herzegovinian Croatians:
- Šarić Attachment 96357
- Starčević Attachment 96358

28%NA from some Hercegovian dude? Ive got a hunch that K13 doesnt necessarily split Baltic und North Atlantic that good.
03-21-2020, 02:31 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ljubic

28%NA from some Hercegovian dude? Ive got a hunch that K13 doesnt necessarily split Baltic und North Atlantic that good.

I don't know from where exactly they are. I only know surnames and they are Croatians, their surnames are Bunjevac.

I suppose Dalmatia or Herzegovina.
03-21-2020, 02:37 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ljubic

28%NA from some Hercegovian dude? Ive got a hunch that K13 doesnt necessarily split Baltic und North Atlantic that good.

is that too little or too much? many Serbs get 26-29 Baltic + 26-29 north Altantic. like Moje Ime.
03-21-2020, 02:47 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Est.1992

He is not fully native to Livno but has some Dalmatian ancestry far back. But I am not sure, some regions have diversity.
I saw west Herzegovina Croats ranging from very Slavic to very Balkan, probably same with Serbs in many regions.

Possible, it's not clear yet how autosomal really works.

Two Dalmatian Serbs, both from Skradin area from neighboring villages:

Dalmatian Serb 1
1 Baltic 29.3
2 North_Atlantic 28.69
3 East_Med 16.26
4 West_Med 14.98
5 West_Asian 5.98
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 Siberian 1.51
8 South_Asian 0.41

Dalmatian Serb 2
1 Baltic 35.28
2 North_Atlantic 22.18
3 West_Med 17.42
4 East_Med 16.16
5 West_Asian 5.31
6 Siberian 1.04
7 Amerindian 0.7
8 South_Asian 0.62
9 Oceanian 0.52
10 Northeast_African 0.3
11 East_Asian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.19

They have quite different ratio Baltic-North_Atlantic.
Similarity is almost same West_Asian and Mongoloid score, and also Baltic+NA is almost same (first one 57.99, and second 57.46)
03-21-2020, 02:49 PM
Ljubic

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

is that too little or too much? many Serbs get 26-29 Baltic + 26-29 north Altantic. like Moje Ime.

Ive got the feeling that its a little bit too much considering that the guy has only 28 Baltic while other Bosnians have over 30% Baltic but a North Atlantic score in the lower 20s.
03-21-2020, 03:01 PM
Insuperable

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

I never said that. I have seen only 5 Serbs with 35% or more Baltic, one of them is over 36%.

Max Soldo from Livno is 37% Baltic, but other few Livno Croatians are 28-29% Baltic. This indicates that there is something non-local in the recent Soldo's bloodline. How to explain such huge difference between people from same place of same ethnicity whose ancestors lived there many generations?

If Max Soldo is an exception to Serbian like people in western Bosnia/western Herzegovina as I think you imply that would be cool. I doubt anyone would have an issue. I don't. What is annoying is how the opposite is impossible with Serbs or at least some Serbs living in 'western' lands.

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