Serbian Autosomal DNA

[Jana]

This guy is also Livno Croatian Attachment 96356

^^
Similar as one other Livno Croatian posted by someone on this forum.


These are Dalmatian or Herzegovinian Croatians:
- Šarić Attachment 96357
- Starčević Attachment 96358

Yes, I know according to you Serbs are 35% Baltic and Croats are 28% Baltic

[Jana]

2wy oracle isn't working so i'll post 4-way.

these 2 are from Komiža, their genealogy is online.

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	31.18
2	North_Atlantic	25.61
3	West_Med	14.90
4	West_Asian	12.92
5	East_Med	11.53
6	Red_Sea	1.50


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 4.470045
2 Serbian @ 6.991731
3 Croatian @ 7.544109
4 Hungarian @ 9.161648
5 Romanian @ 9.843548
6 Bulgarian @ 12.236260
7 Austrian @ 13.443974
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 14.143229
9 East_German @ 14.599335
10 South_Polish @ 15.136996
11 Ukrainian @ 15.828387
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 19.095716
13 Polish @ 19.133120
14 Southwest_Russian @ 19.248276
15 West_German @ 20.758039
16 Tatar @ 20.933420
17 Russian_Smolensk @ 21.327600
18 Greek_Thessaly @ 22.275949
19 Estonian_Polish @ 22.293104
20 South_Dutch @ 22.526752

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +50% Serbian @ 3.901212


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +25% Kumyk +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.050984


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 1.969941
2 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.390536
3 Armenian + Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_French @ 2.730150
4 Armenian + Belorussian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.730657
5 Armenian + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.748285
6 Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.759953
7 Armenian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 2.766493
8 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.832171
9 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.869702
10 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.979829
11 Lithuanian + Southwest_French + Turkish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.039088
12 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.046434
13 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Kumyk + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.050984
14 Armenian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.055322
15 Armenian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.067375
16 Estonian + Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Southwest_French @ 3.072722
17 Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_French @ 3.088090
18 Armenian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.092824
19 Armenian + Lithuanian + Southwest_French + Southwest_Russian @ 3.096580
20 Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.103257

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	32.13
2	North_Atlantic	25.83
3	East_Med	14.86
4	West_Med	13.92
5	West_Asian	9.14
6	Red_Sea	2.20
7	Amerindian	1.02


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 5.304939
2 Serbian @ 5.525979
3 Croatian @ 7.112947
4 Hungarian @ 8.420576
5 Romanian @ 9.262959
6 Bulgarian @ 11.552200
7 Austrian @ 13.593200
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 14.108592
9 South_Polish @ 14.717138
10 East_German @ 14.743503
11 Ukrainian @ 15.446853
12 Southwest_Russian @ 18.590298
13 Polish @ 18.749239
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 18.940451
15 Russian_Smolensk @ 20.854279
16 West_German @ 21.041792
17 Estonian_Polish @ 21.406027
18 Greek_Thessaly @ 21.514477
19 Belorussian @ 21.894377
20 Tatar @ 22.223007

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +50% Lithuanian @ 1.539960


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Hungarian +25% Southwest_Russian @ 1.503987


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Polish @ 1.158023
2 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Abruzzo + Polish @ 1.336486
3 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Romanian + South_Polish @ 1.392316
4 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Polish + Romanian @ 1.411079
5 Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian + South_Polish @ 1.422413
6 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Romanian + Serbian @ 1.444278
7 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Serbian + South_Polish @ 1.488720
8 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Russian_Smolensk @ 1.490492
9 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Ukrainian @ 1.500970
10 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + Southwest_Russian @ 1.503987
11 Belorussian + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + Southwest_Russian @ 1.505844
12 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Lithuanian @ 1.505848
13 Bulgarian + Serbian + Serbian + Southwest_Russian @ 1.508326
14 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian @ 1.516765
15 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Southwest_Russian @ 1.523410
16 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.529142
17 Belorussian + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 1.536734
18 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 1.539960
19 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Estonian + South_Polish @ 1.546894
20 Belorussian + Belorussian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.549054

her surname appears only in Brac and Split (Cekalovic)

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	31.97
2	North_Atlantic	27.72
3	East_Med	14.44
4	West_Med	14.37
5	West_Asian	8.36


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 5.526596
2 Moldavian @ 5.961098
3 Croatian @ 6.662043
4 Hungarian @ 6.742182
5 Romanian @ 9.963482
6 Austrian @ 11.696405
7 Bulgarian @ 12.536322
8 East_German @ 12.849939
9 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 13.894997
10 South_Polish @ 13.949632
11 Ukrainian @ 15.024033
12 Polish @ 18.190769
13 Southwest_Russian @ 18.667328
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 19.058491
15 West_German @ 19.176407
16 Russian_Smolensk @ 20.669033
17 South_Dutch @ 20.989019
18 Estonian_Polish @ 21.189617
19 Belorussian @ 21.585911
20 French @ 22.177008

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +50% Serbian @ 2.659262


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Hungarian +25% Polish @ 2.176602


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Austrian + Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian @ 1.777297
2 Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish @ 2.010614
3 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + East_German @ 2.089073
4 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Serbian + South_Polish @ 2.104203
5 Belorussian + Bulgarian + South_Polish + Tuscan @ 2.115069
6 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian @ 2.115509
7 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 2.127868
8 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + Romanian @ 2.136819
9 Belorussian + Romanian + Serbian + Serbian @ 2.170874
10 Greek_Thessaly + Serbian + South_Polish + South_Polish @ 2.175227
11 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Hungarian + Polish @ 2.176602
12 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Polish + Romanian @ 2.185073
13 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Serbian + Serbian @ 2.218720
14 Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Serbian @ 2.227827
15 Serbian + South_Polish + Tuscan + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.238050
16 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + East_German + Southwest_Russian @ 2.248845
17 Austrian + Belorussian + Bulgarian + Romanian @ 2.248897
18 Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.254875
19 Austrian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.267302
20 Austrian + Bulgarian + Romanian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.270847

Thanks! I think my Čakavian side which is 50% of my ancestry would be similar to these results.

[Pribislav]

Yes, I know according to you Serbs are 35% Baltic and Croats are 28% Baltic

I never said that. I have seen only 5 Serbs with 35% or more Baltic, one of them is over 36%.

Max Soldo from Livno is 37% Baltic, but other few Livno Croatians are 28-29% Baltic. This indicates that there is something non-local in the recent Soldo's bloodline. How to explain such huge difference between people from same place of same ethnicity whose ancestors lived there many generations?

[Jana]

I never said that. I have seen only 5 Serbs with 35% or more Baltic, one of them is over 36%.

Max Soldo from Livno is 37% Baltic, but other few Livno Croatians are 28-29% Baltic. This indicates that there is something non-local in the recent Soldo's bloodline. How to explain such huge difference between people from same place of same ethnicity whose ancestors lived there many generations?

He is not fully native to Livno but has some Dalmatian ancestry far back. But I am not sure, some regions have diversity.
I saw west Herzegovina Croats ranging from very Slavic to very Balkan, probably same with Serbs in many regions.

[Ljubic]

This guy is also Livno Croatian Attachment 96356

^^
Similar as one other Livno Croatian posted by someone on this forum.


These are Dalmatian or Herzegovinian Croatians:
- Šarić Attachment 96357
- Starčević Attachment 96358

28%NA from some Hercegovian dude? Ive got a hunch that K13 doesnt necessarily split Baltic und North Atlantic that good.

[Pribislav]

28%NA from some Hercegovian dude? Ive got a hunch that K13 doesnt necessarily split Baltic und North Atlantic that good.

I don't know from where exactly they are. I only know surnames and they are Croatians, their surnames are Bunjevac.

I suppose Dalmatia or Herzegovina.

[vbnetkhio]

28%NA from some Hercegovian dude? Ive got a hunch that K13 doesnt necessarily split Baltic und North Atlantic that good.

is that too little or too much? many Serbs get 26-29 Baltic + 26-29 north Altantic. like Moje Ime.

[Pribislav]

He is not fully native to Livno but has some Dalmatian ancestry far back. But I am not sure, some regions have diversity.
I saw west Herzegovina Croats ranging from very Slavic to very Balkan, probably same with Serbs in many regions.

Possible, it's not clear yet how autosomal really works.


Two Dalmatian Serbs, both from Skradin area from neighboring villages:

Dalmatian Serb 1
1 Baltic 29.3
2 North_Atlantic 28.69
3 East_Med 16.26
4 West_Med 14.98
5 West_Asian 5.98
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 Siberian 1.51
8 South_Asian 0.41

Dalmatian Serb 2
1 Baltic 35.28
2 North_Atlantic 22.18
3 West_Med 17.42
4 East_Med 16.16
5 West_Asian 5.31
6 Siberian 1.04
7 Amerindian 0.7
8 South_Asian 0.62
9 Oceanian 0.52
10 Northeast_African 0.3
11 East_Asian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.19

They have quite different ratio Baltic-North_Atlantic.
Similarity is almost same West_Asian and Mongoloid score, and also Baltic+NA is almost same (first one 57.99, and second 57.46)

[Ljubic]

is that too little or too much? many Serbs get 26-29 Baltic + 26-29 north Altantic. like Moje Ime.

Ive got the feeling that its a little bit too much considering that the guy has only 28 Baltic while other Bosnians have over 30% Baltic but a North Atlantic score in the lower 20s.

[Insuperable]

I never said that. I have seen only 5 Serbs with 35% or more Baltic, one of them is over 36%.

Max Soldo from Livno is 37% Baltic, but other few Livno Croatians are 28-29% Baltic. This indicates that there is something non-local in the recent Soldo's bloodline. How to explain such huge difference between people from same place of same ethnicity whose ancestors lived there many generations?

If Max Soldo is an exception to Serbian like people in western Bosnia/western Herzegovina as I think you imply that would be cool. I doubt anyone would have an issue. I don't. What is annoying is how the opposite is impossible with Serbs or at least some Serbs living in 'western' lands.