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My guess is UK based matches will be heavy in far north east asian and south asia, as my theory is that these matches are linked to old Eurasian ties...Scandinavian matches i think are also like that, we are an old people, linked across Eurasia for ages, long before any of the modern language groups had formed...when Chingiz khan was but a dust in a far distant future...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackson
Can someone please do this for me? I am US247.
My furthest match is near Nepal. 4.0247 -- Dusadh
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...or_map.svg.pnghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...or_map.svg.png
It's certainly starting to look that way based on your matches, and the Dodecad and Eurogenes project. I think the North Eurasian - North European connection needs to be investigated further. That 'Asian shift' of northern Europeans could potentially be one of the biggest differences between us and our cousins in the south, so I think it is something major worth investigating. I presume this forms part of your theory?Quote:
Originally Posted by evon
I agree that delving into our more ancient past is going to be the most interesting thing, especially when there was nobody documenting events as such. (Aside from small amounts of artwork i suppose).
My 5cM matches: (I am US247)
Ashkenazim,AJ6,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,AJ6,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,AJ6,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,AJ7,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy5e,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy5e,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy6w,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy6w,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy7w,White_American,US247
Finnish,FI19,White_American,US247
French,HGDP00520,White_American,US247
German,DE24,White_American,US247
Iraqi_Jewish,GSM536711,White_American,US247
Kent,HG00138,White_American,US247
Kent,HG01334,White_American,US247
Palestinian,HGDP00739,White_American,US247
Romanian,GSM536597,White_American,US247
Romanian_Jewish,Romanian_Jew_1,White_American,US24 7
Romanian_Jewish,Romanian_Jew_1,White_American,US24 7
Russian,RU44,White_American,US247
Sephardic_Jewish,sephardic9tur,White_American,US24 7
Utah_Mormon,NA06984,White_American,US247
Interestingly enough all of this stuff is not very surprising considering my known ancestry. Except Im not sure how I scored Palestinian and Iraqi Jew.
OK I've started to do what Evon has done with the maps. But am starting to sift through the 35 UK. It'll take a while. Want to see how the Europe map goes too. :)
If I need help with country codes I'll stick them up on this thread.
Do you mean 4-5cM is brush size 20... & 5> is brush size 30?Quote:
Originally Posted by evon
And do you have a map based only on Europe also?
Have sorted all the 35 UK(took a fucking while :P) & it's ready to use paint. :)
I think you mixed up, I am 3.7 Mongol and Su is 4.8 Mongol. Anyway, not that big differnce and I did not match in the Asian map which I find odd considering I did score Mongol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
I wonder why some Turks did not match in the Asian map? I am TR21, you can look.
Welcome to the tribe, Bro!Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteHorde
There are only 10 Portuguese participants, and I was bored... :bored:
(Different colors for 4CM+ & 5CM+, because otherwise I would confuse myself)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3043/ptmatches.png
Some of the placements are a bit off (Russian especially :picard1:), I just plopped them in the countries.
I can't seem to find a good North Africa + Mideast map for the other matches.
This doesnt make any sense I have got higher mongoloid admixture than orange. So how comes she is scoring higher than me here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
Welcome to the Nepalese club, lets open a take away and serve curry:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...quaker_jew.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by WhiteHorde
Palestinian and Iraqi matches fits with having Jewish ancestry..
Yes, and try this map:Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...cation_map.svg
Turks are a south western Asian people, basically on europe's doorstep, thus they have substantial more European and south west asian ancestry then say north asian ancestry, this is seen in their massive european hits versus far asian matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by orangepulp
Try this one:Quote:
Originally Posted by plastictuga
http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/lib...th_rivers_.png
Here is the Mongol(yellow)/Mongola(Cyan) map:
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/695/mongolmongola.jpg
Its note worthy to see the clusters in Turkey and Russia (think we found a signature for Eurasian steppe expansion here?), with minor clusters in Poland and Ukraine also...i wonder if the cluster in Germany reflects German slaves taken to Mongolia proper, or if its something else?
There also is a mis match in pattern, the Mongola pattern is more unstable, which makes me think it must be less connected to the western part of Eurasia, which is odd given they are the same people, but with slightly different history given the Mongola lived inside China and the Mongol outside...
A noteworthy reply from Polako on the Mongol/Mongola map:
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All of these Mongolian reference samples have European admixture, while Europeans rarely have East Asian (as opposed to Siberian) admixture, which predominates in Mongols. Also, Mongols carry some R1a, but Europeans don't carry Mongol C3.
So it looks like European admixture in western Mongolia. No need for slaves either, it's probably thanks to stuff like this...
European admixture in ancient East Asians (aka. two-rooted canines carried by early Indo-Europeans to China)
He mad a mistake. You scored 4.8 cm and I scored 3.7 cm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Su
Wouldn't South West Asian be like Arabian? North West Asian is more accurate when describing Turks.Quote:
Originally Posted by evon
Well then how come some of the North Europeans were placed in the Asian map?? Are you telling me they are more Asian than some Turks?
No and yes, there are not that many reference samples from the wider mashriq region included in this run, but if you want? i can make a map showing Turkish matches in the reference samples that are present.Quote:
Originally Posted by orangepulp
Here is a good map of Asian regions as used by UN:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...subregions.png
Blue - North Asia
Purple - Central Asia
Green - Southwest Asia
North Europeans have a very old and strong connection to North Eurasia, that is very prevalent, but just like with Turkish matches in North Asia, some have stronger connections then others, i dont know if North Europeans as a regional people have stronger connections versus Turks as a ethnic group to North Asia, that debate seems very hard to win using any sort of sense since this is maps showing ancestral connections between individuals and not affinity of whole populations..
Mashriq?? Doesn't that mean Eastern in Arabic?Quote:
Originally Posted by evon
Anyway, yea that would be great :)
Come on, we are talking in genetic terms not political. This is a genetic discussion, genetically Turks are more of a North West Asian people rather than a Southern population which would be Arabian.Quote:
Here is a good map of Asian regions as used by UN:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...subregions.png
Blue - North Asia
Purple - Central Asia
Green - Southwest Asia
Did you match in the Asian map?Quote:
North Europeans have a very old and strong connection to North Eurasia, that is very prevalent, but just like with Turkish matches in North Asia, some have stronger connections then others, i dont know if North Europeans as a regional people have stronger connections versus Turks as a ethnic group to North Asia, that debate seems very hard to win using any sort of sense since this is maps showing ancestral connections between individuals and not affinity of whole populations..
You dont speak Arabic :eek: Its the old post-Islamic expansion term used to describe where the sun rises, versus Magrebh as where the sun sets:)Quote:
Originally Posted by orangepulp
Turks as far as i have seen over the years are basically a Caucasus people with minor Far Asian ancestry, and as with most peoples in this region they match Europeans (Balkans and Russians especially) more then Arabic/Iranic speaking regions, but Arabic/Iranic speaking regions more then far eastern regions.Quote:
Originally Posted by orangepulp
I dont know how to measure such an affinity without offending people, and its hard to debate it without there becoming a major topic, as Turks react to affinity towards Arabic speaking countries like Balkan Europeans do towards Turkish affinity :picard1: its a messed up world we live in indeed...
I will make you a map and this time use the Turkish reference samples also, which i should have included in the Far Asian map, maybe i could add them to that map also?
I do speak Arabic to a certain degree but I didn't expect you to use an Arabic term lol. I thought maybe its a word in English that I don't know :p ? Otherwise I knew that Mashriq/Sharq is Eastern and Maghrib/Gharb is Western.Quote:
Originally Posted by evon
Btw, do you speak Arabic?
That really depends on what you would call minor, some Turks do score significant Asian genes such as 10%.Quote:
Turks as far as i have seen over the years are basically a Caucasus people with minor Far Asian ancestry, and as with most peoples in this region they match Europeans (Balkans and Russians especially) more then Arabic/Iranic speaking regions, but Arabic/Iranic speaking regions more then far eastern regions.
It's not offensive to be linked to Southwest Asian people. You know that I don't mind this at all but genetically Turks are not Southwest Asian people and their Southwest Asian is not anymore than what a Southern European would score. I just wanted to underline that. But yes I guess the over reaction some people have being linked to more Eastern or Southern populations is due to inferiority complex.Quote:
I dont know how to measure such an affinity without offending people, and its hard to debate it without there becoming a major topic, as Turks react to affinity towards Arabic speaking countries like Balkan Europeans do towards Turkish affinity :picard1: its a messed up world we live in indeed...
Thanks, that would be great!!!Quote:
I will make you a map and this time use the Turkish reference samples also, which i should have included in the Far Asian map, maybe i could add them to that map also?
No, not much, just minor stuff and some in relation to Islamic terminology, such as the aforementioned terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by orangepulp
Some score higher affinity then others of course, but as a whole population its below 10%, my guess is around 5-6%, but even 10% is minor...Quote:
Originally Posted by orangepulp
OK, here is the map, but before looking at it you should be aware that i had to stop posting in North Caucasus due to too many hits there, i barely had enough space for the rest of the Caucasus peoples, mainly Kurds and Armenians. The reference samples for Bedouin and Saudi Arabia seem very low, my guess is only a few samples are in this run..
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2874/tu1w.png
The other map will have to wait, i made so many today already, my body needs to get out of the office chair for a while and do something else:)
But if anyone else wants to they can add them to the Turkish map i made before, just keep east of the Volga and Iran and you should be ok, the Brush size is 20 = 4cM and 5cM+ = 30 as mentioned before, the Turkish reference samples are quite many (one of the biggest in this run by my guess) and they start around GSM536787 if i got it right...
From where did you get the Turkish reference samples? Are they from Eurogenes participants?
They are located in the bigfile as ive listed when i started posting the maps here, on page 185 if my memory is correct...Quote:
Originally Posted by orangepulp
UK...
Didn't label the numbers, it took to long.
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7825/eurasiauk.jpg
Ireland(Yellow) & UK(red)
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/7825/eurasiauk.jpg
Interesting that there is a difference between Ireland and UK. Ireland doesn't seem to have those matches around the Baltic states, and also the Benelux and Denmark. Seems pretty similar otherwise as you'd expect. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
Ireland doesn't have any Danish matches whereas the UK has 6.
UK has 14 Lithuania matches & Ireland 2. I may have misplaced those irish a bit North.
I need to do a Europe map & make it so much less cluttered to really see.
Interesting. I wonder what could explain this discrepancy, especially the Lithuania matches. Maybe more recent trade perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
Eyeballing this was a pain in the ass:
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2347/eurasianpt.png
Russian areas are probably off a bit :/
Okay, so I tried to fix the Russian ones, still not sure if they're okay http://mazeguy.net/expressive/pray.gif.Quote:
Originally Posted by plastictuga
Seems kind of accurate with 23andme, but my baltic connection is missing :pQuote:
Originally Posted by plastictuga
Very interesting. Cheers Graham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
Notice the lack, of German, Dutch & Danish in Ireland. Kind of goes with the History.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackson
btw I changed it a little. IE20 was missing 3 bits. Cheers Platictuga. :)
Yeah i find that surprisingly clear-cut. Looking at that map again Ireland has relatively much more matches with France and less with Germanic countries. I guess this is a bit like what POBI was talking about it. Although i'm surprised they get only one German match, as their was English movement to Ireland also. Although maybe a secondary migration would only show up really faintly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
You and PT3 have matches further east :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alex Delarge
There was actually 4 matches. I missed the top of the spreasheet I made. Hense that & Portugal, Poland. Still.. :picard2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackson
If I could get Kent, Orkneys & SW Scotland done also, would be grand.
That would be good. To see the difference between Orkney and the Mainland and between Kent and Cornwall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
4cM above a quarter
Ireland
7.5/14 Sweden
7/14 France
5/14 Tuscany
4/14 Germany
4.5/14 Norway
UK
21/35 Germany
18/35 Sweden
14/35 France
14/35 Lithuania
14/35 Russia
13/35 Tuscany
12/35 Spain
11/35 Finland
10/35 Norway
9/35 Netherlands
9/35 Romania
8/35 French Basque
I do have one russian cousin and one georgian-ukranian cousin, i know the latter is on Eurogenes but i'm not sure if the russian is.Quote:
Originally Posted by plastictuga
http://oi48.tinypic.com/2zxzcl2.jpg
I've noticed your matches are much more spread out than mine:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Delarge
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1...psaef12a2f.png