Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

[Su]

Maybe I read wrong..

Was going to do UK, but don't know half the ids proper name.

Su -- 3.7 Mongol
Orangepulp -- 4.8 Mongol

That is what I seen.

This doesnt make any sense I have got higher mongoloid admixture than orange. So how comes she is scoring higher than me here?

[evon]

My furthest match is near Nepal. 4.0247 -- Dusadh

Welcome to the Nepalese club, lets open a take away and serve curry

My 5cM matches: (I am US247)

Ashkenazim,AJ6,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,AJ6,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,AJ6,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,AJ7,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy5e,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy5e,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy6w,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy6w,White_American,US247
Ashkenazim,ashkenazy7w,White_American,US247
Finnish,FI19,White_American,US247
French,HGDP00520,White_American,US247
German,DE24,White_American,US247
Iraqi_Jewish,GSM536711,White_American,US247
Kent,HG00138,White_American,US247
Kent,HG01334,White_American,US247
Palestinian,HGDP00739,White_American,US247
Romanian,GSM536597,White_American,US247
Romanian_Jewish,Romanian_Jew_1,White_American,US24 7
Romanian_Jewish,Romanian_Jew_1,White_American,US24 7
Russian,RU44,White_American,US247
Sephardic_Jewish,sephardic9tur,White_American,US24 7
Utah_Mormon,NA06984,White_American,US247

Interestingly enough all of this stuff is not very surprising considering my known ancestry. Except Im not sure how I scored Palestinian and Iraqi Jew.

Palestinian and Iraqi matches fits with having Jewish ancestry..

Do you mean 4-5cM is brush size 20... & 5> is brush size 30?

And do you have a map based only on Europe also?

Have sorted all the 35 UK(took a fucking while ) & it's ready to use paint.

Yes, and try this map:

I think you mixed up, I am 3.7 Mongol and Su is 4.8 Mongol. Anyway, not that big differnce and I did not match in the Asian map which I find odd considering I did score Mongol.
I wonder why some Turks did not match in the Asian map? I am TR21, you can look.

Turks are a south western Asian people, basically on europe's doorstep, thus they have substantial more European and south west asian ancestry then say north asian ancestry, this is seen in their massive european hits versus far asian matches.

I can't seem to find a good North Africa + Mideast map for the other matches.

Try this one:

[evon]

Here is the Mongol(yellow)/Mongola(Cyan) map:



Its note worthy to see the clusters in Turkey and Russia (think we found a signature for Eurasian steppe expansion here?), with minor clusters in Poland and Ukraine also...i wonder if the cluster in Germany reflects German slaves taken to Mongolia proper, or if its something else?

There also is a mis match in pattern, the Mongola pattern is more unstable, which makes me think it must be less connected to the western part of Eurasia, which is odd given they are the same people, but with slightly different history given the Mongola lived inside China and the Mongol outside...

[evon]

A noteworthy reply from Polako on the Mongol/Mongola map:

All of these Mongolian reference samples have European admixture, while Europeans rarely have East Asian (as opposed to Siberian) admixture, which predominates in Mongols. Also, Mongols carry some R1a, but Europeans don't carry Mongol C3.

So it looks like European admixture in western Mongolia. No need for slaves either, it's probably thanks to stuff like this...

European admixture in ancient East Asians (aka. two-rooted canines carried by early Indo-Europeans to China)

[orangepulp]

This doesnt make any sense I have got higher mongoloid admixture than orange. So how comes she is scoring higher than me here?

He mad a mistake. You scored 4.8 cm and I scored 3.7 cm.

Turks are a south western Asian people, basically on europe's doorstep, thus they have substantial more European and south west asian ancestry then say north asian ancestry, this is seen in their massive european hits versus far asian

Wouldn't South West Asian be like Arabian? North West Asian is more accurate when describing Turks.

Well then how come some of the North Europeans were placed in the Asian map?? Are you telling me they are more Asian than some Turks?

[evon]

Wouldn't south Western be like Arabian, North West Asian is more accurate when describing Turks.

Well then how come some of the North Europeans were placed in the Asian map?? Are you telling me they are more Asian than some Turks?

No and yes, there are not that many reference samples from the wider mashriq region included in this run, but if you want? i can make a map showing Turkish matches in the reference samples that are present.

Here is a good map of Asian regions as used by UN:



Blue - North Asia
Purple - Central Asia
Green - Southwest Asia

North Europeans have a very old and strong connection to North Eurasia, that is very prevalent, but just like with Turkish matches in North Asia, some have stronger connections then others, i dont know if North Europeans as a regional people have stronger connections versus Turks as a ethnic group to North Asia, that debate seems very hard to win using any sort of sense since this is maps showing ancestral connections between individuals and not affinity of whole populations..

[orangepulp]

No and yes, there are not that many reference samples from the wider mashriq region included in this run, but if you want? i can make a map showing Turkish matches in the reference samples that are present.

Mashriq?? Doesn't that mean Eastern in Arabic?

Anyway, yea that would be great

Here is a good map of Asian regions as used by UN:



Blue - North Asia
Purple - Central Asia
Green - Southwest Asia

Come on, we are talking in genetic terms not political. This is a genetic discussion, genetically Turks are more of a North West Asian people rather than a Southern population which would be Arabian.

North Europeans have a very old and strong connection to North Eurasia, that is very prevalent, but just like with Turkish matches in North Asia, some have stronger connections then others, i dont know if North Europeans as a regional people have stronger connections versus Turks as a ethnic group to North Asia, that debate seems very hard to win using any sort of sense since this is maps showing ancestral connections between individuals and not affinity of whole populations..

Did you match in the Asian map?

[evon]

Mashriq?? Doesn't that mean Eastern in Arabic?

You dont speak Arabic Its the old post-Islamic expansion term used to describe where the sun rises, versus Magrebh as where the sun sets

Come on, we are talking in genetic terms not political. This is a genetic discussion, genetically Turks are more of a North West Asian people rather than a Southern population which would be Arabian.



Did you match in the Asian map?

Turks as far as i have seen over the years are basically a Caucasus people with minor Far Asian ancestry, and as with most peoples in this region they match Europeans (Balkans and Russians especially) more then Arabic/Iranic speaking regions, but Arabic/Iranic speaking regions more then far eastern regions.

I dont know how to measure such an affinity without offending people, and its hard to debate it without there becoming a major topic, as Turks react to affinity towards Arabic speaking countries like Balkan Europeans do towards Turkish affinity its a messed up world we live in indeed...

I will make you a map and this time use the Turkish reference samples also, which i should have included in the Far Asian map, maybe i could add them to that map also?

[orangepulp]

You dont speak Arabic Its the old post-Islamic expansion term used to describe where the sun rises, versus Magrebh as where the sun sets

I do speak Arabic to a certain degree but I didn't expect you to use an Arabic term lol. I thought maybe its a word in English that I don't know ? Otherwise I knew that Mashriq/Sharq is Eastern and Maghrib/Gharb is Western.


Btw, do you speak Arabic?

Turks as far as i have seen over the years are basically a Caucasus people with minor Far Asian ancestry, and as with most peoples in this region they match Europeans (Balkans and Russians especially) more then Arabic/Iranic speaking regions, but Arabic/Iranic speaking regions more then far eastern regions.

That really depends on what you would call minor, some Turks do score significant Asian genes such as 10%.

I dont know how to measure such an affinity without offending people, and its hard to debate it without there becoming a major topic, as Turks react to affinity towards Arabic speaking countries like Balkan Europeans do towards Turkish affinity its a messed up world we live in indeed...

It's not offensive to be linked to Southwest Asian people. You know that I don't mind this at all but genetically Turks are not Southwest Asian people and their Southwest Asian is not anymore than what a Southern European would score. I just wanted to underline that. But yes I guess the over reaction some people have being linked to more Eastern or Southern populations is due to inferiority complex.

I will make you a map and this time use the Turkish reference samples also, which i should have included in the Far Asian map, maybe i could add them to that map also?

Thanks, that would be great!!!

[evon]

I do speak Arabic to a certain degree but I didn't expect you to use an Arabic term lol. I thought maybe its a word in English that I don't know ? Otherwise I knew that Mashriq/Sharq is Eastern and Maghrib/Gharb is Western.


Btw, do you speak Arabic?

No, not much, just minor stuff and some in relation to Islamic terminology, such as the aforementioned terms.

That really depends on what you would call minor, some Turks do score significant Asian genes such as 10%.

Some score higher affinity then others of course, but as a whole population its below 10%, my guess is around 5-6%, but even 10% is minor...


OK, here is the map, but before looking at it you should be aware that i had to stop posting in North Caucasus due to too many hits there, i barely had enough space for the rest of the Caucasus peoples, mainly Kurds and Armenians. The reference samples for Bedouin and Saudi Arabia seem very low, my guess is only a few samples are in this run..



The other map will have to wait, i made so many today already, my body needs to get out of the office chair for a while and do something else

But if anyone else wants to they can add them to the Turkish map i made before, just keep east of the Volga and Iran and you should be ok, the Brush size is 20 = 4cM and 5cM+ = 30 as mentioned before, the Turkish reference samples are quite many (one of the biggest in this run by my guess) and they start around GSM536787 if i got it right...