Are light traits in Southern Europe due to the northern European admixture ?

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Originally Posted by Peyrol

Some lombard and furlan alpine valleys are also around 50%, while probably some isolated sardinian or calabrian village can be even around 2-5%...a very big difference for a single country, indeed.

I'm curious about the portuguese and the french percentages.

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Where did you find those percentages? In Italy there are not areas where 50% of the population have light eyes, and in Sardinia, according studies made in the 80's, the avarage % of light eyes (grey and green) is 16%


2% means 2 person in a group of 100!


http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home..._num_10_2_3898

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

I don't think so. Maybe due to the fact that many northern Italians have southern Italian ancestry now due to people moving north, but overall from pictures and all studies I have seen, both northern Italy an Spain are lighter than southern Italy by quite a bit.

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I don't remember what study I've read but they were showing the difference to be like 10-15%, not 30%!

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Originally Posted by alfieb

And only about 2m Sicilians live in the West.

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Well Palermo has about one quarter of the island's population.. but then Trapani and Agrigento are quite empty by comparison.

Catania holds about a fifth of Sicily's population, and I'd bet you that blue eyes there are about 10% or less.

So it probably balances out somehow.

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

I don't think so. Maybe due to the fact that many northern Italians have southern Italian ancestry now due to people moving north, but overall from pictures and all studies I have seen, both northern Italy an Spain are lighter than southern Italy by quite a bit.

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About 55% of our population is composed by second-third generation southerners.

But, since the datas about eye colors are from a study of 1910, they were right.

No, due to genetic mutation.

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Originally Posted by Peyrol

About 55% of our population is composed by second-third generation southerners.

But, since the datas about eye colors are from a study of 1910, they were right.

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So in that case I'd conclude northerners are quite a bit lighter than southerners.

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Originally Posted by P-Chan

Where did you find those percentages? In Italy there are not areas where 50% of the population have light eyes, and in Sardinia, according studies made in the 80's, the avarage % of light eyes (grey and green) is 16%


2% means 2 person in a group of 100!

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Se vuoi che ti dico che non esistono differenze te lo dico neh, questo però non lo rende un dato reale.

I numeri sono comunque stati raccolti da Ridolfo Livi sulle classi di leva 1859-1863 nel Regio Esercito.

More or less.

Messina + Catania + Syracuse = Palermo. In terms of the cities, not the provinces. The Province of Catania is actually very densely populated and almost has as many residents as PA.

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

So in that case I'd conclude northerners are quite a bit lighter than southerners.

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Well, if you assume that lombards in Milano are about 10-15% of the population and the same work for piemontese in Torino and for venetic in Venezia...

As the former sicilian governo Raffaele Lombardo said, ''Torino è la terza città siciliana d'Italia dopo Palermo e Catania'' :lol:

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Originally Posted by alfieb

More or less.

Messina + Catania + Syracuse = Palermo. In terms of the cities, not the provinces. The Province of Catania is actually very densely populated and almost has as many residents as PA.

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Would you agree with me that Palermo, light eyes are probably close to 35% and in Catania about 10%? If so, it averages out to the average.

Let me try something. Here is a sample of photos from Catania collected on anthrocivitas and here is one from Palermo. I'll calculate the light eyes in them.

Catania: http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15264

THREE out of THIRTY TWO. ~9%


Palermo:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=373

SEVEN out of THIRTY TWO. ~21%.