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05-08-2021, 06:40 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

To su bili periferni krajevi Hercegovine, u kojima ta pripadnost nije uzela većeg maha.
Interesantno je da je glavni grad Hercegovine bio grad Pljevlja u današnjoj Crnoj Gori. Ne Mostar, ne Trebinje, već Pljevlja.
Nego meni je smešno kako danas Hrvati pokušavaju da prošire Hercegovački identitet na Livno, Duvno i Kupres.

Nije baš da to Hrvati rade, pa Tropolje nije Hercegovina ali nije ni Bosna. To je zapravo produžetak Dalmatinske Zagore.
05-08-2021, 06:44 PM
Jana

View of eastern Herzegovina from Srđ fortress above Dubrovnik

https://i.imgur.com/OyFuNGj.jpg

It's a stone desert mainly, with super low population, so I don't buy the story such huge amount of people (meaning Serbs) originate from there.
Doesn't make any sense.
05-08-2021, 06:47 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Nije baš da to Hrvati rade, pa Tropolje nije Hercegovina ali nije ni Bosna. To je zapravo produžetak Dalmatinske Zagore.

Da, to je specifična regija.
05-08-2021, 07:06 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

It's a stone desert mainly, with super low population, so I don't buy the story such huge amount of people (meaning Serbs) originate from there.
Doesn't make any sense.

When it is said Herzegovina, it means not only todays eastern Herzegovina, but historical Herzegovina, with parts of west Montenegro, southwest Serbia, and this already mentioned upper Podrinje (Foča-Goražde region).

As I said few months ago, it is not only Herzegovina as a place of origin of western Serbs, but also neighbouring regions. It is mentined that Austrian diplomat found Serbs in Bosanska Krajina who said their origin from Smederevo. That doesnt mean litteraly Smederevo as a towns, but Smederevo sanjak, that comprised lot o todays central and western Serbia.

One interesting thing I found is toponymes in close Višegrad surrounding:

https://i.imgur.com/Jw7vehq.png

They resemble Krajina Serbs.

There are villages Uništa, Mirlovići in northern Dalmatia, Kosovo polje near Knin, Babin Potok is village in Lika, Dubovik in Bosanska Krajina.
Rodić is well known Krajina Serb surname.
05-08-2021, 07:08 PM
Jana

^^^^I see, that makes sense, interesting to learn.
05-08-2021, 07:12 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

View of eastern Herzegovina from Srđ fortress above Dubrovnik

https://i.imgur.com/OyFuNGj.jpg

It's a stone desert mainly, with super low population, so I don't buy the story such huge amount of people (meaning Serbs) originate from there.
Doesn't make any sense.

Istočna Hercegovina je u zadnjih +500 godina izrazito iseljeničko područje.

One of the most beautiful places in eastern Herzegovina to me is Dabar field https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabarsko_polje
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...skoPolje02.JPG
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7qVldTX...pg&name=medium
https://s41.radikal.ru/i094/1307/0f/f51aab4f7065.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUPXUrYW...pg&name=medium
05-08-2021, 07:19 PM
Dušan

Few more toponymes in Višegrad surroundings that resemble Krajina Serbs.

Strmica in northern Dalmatia (Knin), Turjak and Međeđa in Bosanska Krajina (Dubica and Gradiška), Bjelajci near Pakrac in western Slavonia.

https://i.imgur.com/KhTOOoR.png
05-08-2021, 07:20 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

When it is said Herzegovina, it means not only todays eastern Herzegovina, but historical Herzegovina, with parts of west Montenegro, southwest Serbia, and this already mentioned upper Podrinje (Foča-Goražde region).

As I said few months ago, it is not only Herzegovina as a place of origin of western Serbs, but also neighbouring regions. It is mentined that Austrian diplomat found Serbs in Bosanska Krajina who said their origin from Smederevo. That doesnt mean litteraly Smederevo as a towns, but Smederevo sanjak, that comprised lot o todays central and western Serbia.

One interesting thing I found is toponymes in close Višegrad surrounding:

https://i.imgur.com/Jw7vehq.png

They resemble Krajina Serbs.

There are villages Uništa, Mirlovići in northern Dalmatia, Kosovo polje near Knin, Babin Potok is village in Lika, Dubovik in Bosanska Krajina.
Rodić is well known Krajina Serb surname.

Riđane in Dalmatian Kosovo near Knin and Riđani near Nikšić, Pađene near Knin and Pađeni near Bileća etc. Look at this http://nebojsavukanovic.info/hercego...inu-i-krajini/

Uništa is only ikavian speaking village in Bosansko Grahovo minicipality. Both Serbs and Croatians from Uništa used ikavian. Both settled from Vrlika area in 19th century.
05-08-2021, 07:24 PM
CommonSense

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Bosniak from eastern Herzegovina:

Code:

Bosniak_Hercegovina,26.17,23.06,19.93,9.86,16.80,1.88,0.15,0.26,0.35,0.01,1.54,0.00,0.00

from Čajniče and Goražde (northern Herzegovina)

Code:

North_Atlantic 24.03 Pct Baltic 31.68 Pct West_Med 17.14 Pct West_Asian 7 Pct East_Med 15.01 Pct Red_Sea 1.31 Pct South_Asian 1.76 Pct East_Asian 0.48 Pct Siberian 0.2 Pct Amerindian 1.03 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African 0.37 Pct Sub-Saharan - North_Atlantic 24.09 Pct Baltic 31.41 Pct West_Med 16.58 Pct West_Asian 5.67 Pct East_Med 18.14 Pct Red_Sea 3.04 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian - Amerindian 1.06 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

I posted the latter result a year ago:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6629911
05-08-2021, 07:49 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

View of eastern Herzegovina from Srđ fortress above Dubrovnik

https://i.imgur.com/OyFuNGj.jpg

It's a stone desert mainly, with super low population, so I don't buy the story such huge amount of people (meaning Serbs) originate from there.
Doesn't make any sense.

Krajina Serbs from the SDNKP, 635 samples

J2b-M205>Y22059 = 8.3%
N2-P189.2>FGC28435 = 8.2%
I1-P109>FGC22045 = 3.8%
total - 20.3%

Krajina Serbs from 23andMe, 287 samples

хаплогрупа J2b-M205 = 9.1%
хаплогрупа N2-P189.2 = 8%
хаплогрупа I1-P109 = 2.8%
total 19.9%

^those subclades definitely originate from the very sparsely populated Old Herzegovina, they simply migrated to empty areas and had a huge population boom there.

and that's without r1a and i2. for those it's harder to distinguish which subclades are from Herzegovina and which from elsewhere.
05-08-2021, 07:49 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

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Not all Krajina Serbs originated from eastern Herzegovina. But it seems eastern Herzegovinians were dominant on some way, because dialect of vast majority of Krajina Serbs originated from eastern Herzegovina.
05-08-2021, 07:53 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

Few more toponymes in Višegrad surroundings that resemble Krajina Serbs.

Strmica in northern Dalmatia (Knin), Turjak and Međeđa in Bosanska Krajina (Dubica and Gradiška), Bjelajci near Pakrac in western Slavonia.

https://i.imgur.com/KhTOOoR.png

there is also
Čitluk and Počitelj in Herzegovina and in Lika
Vilusi and Grahovo in Old Herzegovina and in Bosnian Krajina
05-08-2021, 07:53 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Krajina Serbs from the SDNKP, 635 samples

J2b-M205>Y22059 = 8.3%
N2-P189.2>FGC28435 = 8.2%
I1-P109>FGC22045 = 3.8%
total - 20.3%

Krajina Serbs from 23andMe, 287 samples

хаплогрупа J2b-M205 = 9.1%
хаплогрупа N2-P189.2 = 8%
хаплогрупа I1-P109 = 2.8%
total 19.9%

^those subclades definitely originate from the very sparsely populated Old Herzegovina, they simply migrated to empty areas and had a huge population boom there.

and that's without r1a and i2. for those it's harder to distinguish which subclades are from Herzegovina and which from elsewhere.

25-30% Krajina Serbs originated from present day Montenegro. Absolutely dominant among them is origin from western part of Montenegro (Old Herzegovina).
05-08-2021, 08:12 PM
Varda

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

there is also
Čitluk and Počitelj in Herzegovina and in Lika
Vilusi and Grahovo in Old Herzegovina and in Bosnian Krajina

Map of medieval Herzegovinian clans Attachment 107363

We already have genetically confirmed descendants of Predojevići, Nikšići, Drobnjaci, Mirilovići, Banjani, Maleševci (they lived between Bileća and Trebinje), Ugarci-Dubravčići (from Trebinje-Ljubomir) among Krajina Serbs. I thinks also Burmazi have descendants among Krajina Serbs (it's not officially for now).
Borjan family from northern Dalmatia might be connected with Borjani Herzegovian medieval clan (Borjan from Kričke near Drniš is tested as I2-Y3120). Milan Borjan originated from Kričke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Borjan
05-08-2021, 08:15 PM
Jana

We also have toponyms from Herzegovina on my island (including island name), from Mostar/Čapljina area. Toponyms are almost entirely Slavic, often referring to Slavic deities like Veles.
05-08-2021, 08:26 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

Map of medieval Herzegovinian clans Attachment 107363

We already have genetically confirmed descendants of Predojevići, Nikšići, Drobnjaci, Mirilovići, Banjani, Maleševci (they lived between Bileća and Trebinje), Ugarci-Dubravčići (from Trebinje-Ljubomir) among Krajina Serbs. I thinks also Burmazi have descendants among Krajina Serbs (it's not officially for now).
Borjan family from northern Dalmatia might be connected with Borjani Herzegovian medieval clan (Borjan from Kričke near Drniš is tested as I2-Y3120). Milan Borjan originated from Kričke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Borjan

what are the haplogroups of these:

Predojevići
Mirilovići
Banjani
Maleševci
Ugarci-Dubravčići
Burmazi

they are mostly r1a and i2a, right?

do you know if Šarenci-Krasojevići are considered to be Vlachs? they are R1a-YP4278
05-08-2021, 08:29 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

We also have toponyms from Herzegovina on my island (including island name), from Mostar/Čapljina area. Toponyms are almost entirely Slavic, often referring to Slavic deities like Veles.

Recently is published result of Serb with surname Krasić who is from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Šeškovci

He is I2-PH908 and it's close to Dalmatian Croatian guy Akmadžić and to several Bunjevci (Jurić, Dragičević, Rukavina etc) who are Y144305 sub-branch.
05-08-2021, 08:31 PM
Insuperable

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Probaj reći nekome iz Makarske ili čak Imotskog da je Hercegovac, kamenovali bi te :D

Ili nekome odavde da je Dalmatinac. Dalmatince zovu Škutori.
05-08-2021, 08:35 PM
Insuperable

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Nije baš da to Hrvati rade, pa Tropolje nije Hercegovina ali nije ni Bosna. To je zapravo produžetak Dalmatinske Zagore.

Ti iz Tropolja su teški kompleksaši. Za sebe misle da su Dalmatinci.
05-08-2021, 08:39 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Insuperable

Ili nekome odavde da je Dalmatinac. Dalmatince zovu Škutori.

Tako Varda zove tebe :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Insuperable

Ti iz Tropolja su teški kompleksaši. Za sebe misle da su Dalmatinci.

Pa navodno i jesu, većina bi trebala potjecati iz Zagore (i po govoru). Ima o tome na HB forumu.
05-08-2021, 08:39 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

what are the haplogroups of these:

Predojevići
Mirilovići
Banjani
Maleševci
Ugarci-Dubravčići
Burmazi

they are mostly r1a and i2a, right?

do you know if Šarenci-Krasojevići are considered to be Vlachs? they are R1a-YP4278

Predojevići I2-PH908
Maleševci I2-PH908
Mirilovići I2-PH3414
Ugarci-Dubravčići R1b-U152
Banjani N-P189.2 (mostly)
Burmazi R1a (not confirmed yet)

Genetic descendant of Maleševci is Petar Kočić https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petar_Kočić

Descendant of Ugarci-Dubravčići is Marinko Rokvić https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinko_Rokvić

Descendants of Predojevići are TA users Dušan and Bosniensis.
05-08-2021, 08:41 PM
Jana

S druge strane, Dubrovčani se ne identificiraju kao Dalmatinci (ne samo grad DU nego sve do Neuma), pa i nisu, skroz drugi govor i još štošta. Više su kao Hercegovci i Crnogorci, samo sa Med kulturom.
Dubrovniku je sličniji Kotor nego Split.
05-08-2021, 08:48 PM
Insuperable

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Tako Varda zove tebe :D

A oni iz Zagore zove one s primorja Škutori.

Quote:

Pa navodno i jesu, većina bi trebala potjecati iz Zagore (i po govoru). Ima o tome na HB forumu.

Što se tiče porijekla iz Zagore treba pričati o gradijentu. Nije sve crno i bijelo. Taj gradijent je jak i u Zapadnoj Hercegovini (Posušje, Široki, Grude, Ljubuški i Brotnjo). Mi u južnoj Hercegovini (Čapljina, Ravno, Neum) više naginjemo Dubrovniku tj. južnoj Dalmaciji. Mostar (srednja Hercegovina) i sjeverna Hercegovina su miks. Ali nas ostale zaboli neka stvar. A ovi u Tropolju uvijek za sebe misle da su nešto posebno, a ako trebaju pripadati nečem širem dosta ih kažu da su najbliži Dalmaciji. Dosta ih isto kaže i Hercegovini, ali opet...
05-08-2021, 08:53 PM
Insuperable

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

S druge strane, Dubrovčani se ne identificiraju kao Dalmatinci (ne samo grad DU nego sve do Neuma), pa i nisu, skroz drugi govor i još štošta. Više su kao Hercegovci i Crnogorci, samo sa Med kulturom.
Dubrovniku je sličniji Kotor nego Split.

Imaju li ikakve ankete o Dubrovčanima i jugu? Tvoja iskustva o njihovoj svijesti?
05-08-2021, 09:06 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

do you know if Šarenci-Krasojevići are considered to be Vlachs? they are R1a-YP4278

Krasojevići/Kresojevići were medieval clan from eastern Herzegovina in vlach social status (many Herzregovinians in late middle age and early Ottoman period were in vlach caste). I know they are R1a and that today exist their genetic descendants among Serbs from eastern Herzegovina and some other regions.
About them https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/03/07/kresojevi%C4%87/
05-08-2021, 09:23 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

Predojevići I2-PH908
Maleševci I2-PH908
Mirilovići I2-PH3414
Ugarci-Dubravčići R1b-U152
Banjani N-P189.2 (mostly)
Burmazi R1a (not confirmed yet)

Genetic descendant of Maleševci is Petar Kočić https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petar_Kočić

Descendant of Ugarci-Dubravčići is Marinko Rokvić https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinko_Rokvić

Descendants of Predojevići are TA users Dušan and Bosniensis.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

Krasojevići/Kresojevići were medieval clan from eastern Herzegovina in vlach social status (many Herzregovinians in late middle age and early Ottoman period were in vlach caste). I know they are R1a and that today exist their genetic descendants among Serbs from eastern Herzegovina and some other regions.
About them https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/03/07/kresojevi%C4%87/

very interesting. they aren't on that map of vlach katuns, so I thought they could be a non-vlach family.

so none of the Herzegovinian "vlachs" have a certain pre-Slavic haplogroup. even N-P189.2 is currently considered a "northern" haplogroup by most of the poreklo admins.
05-08-2021, 09:25 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Insuperable

Imaju li ikakve ankete o Dubrovčanima i jugu? Tvoja iskustva o njihovoj svijesti?

https://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/clana...tinci-20130511

nije anketa, ali indikativno

Bila sam u Dubrovniku 5 dana prije 2 tjedna, i u Konavlima, Stonu, dolini Neretve...Dubrovčani s kojima sam razgovarala se ne osjećaju Dalmatincima, već su sami za sebe, ali smatraju Hrvate iz Hercegovine i CG najbližima. Puno su manje negativno nastrojeni prema Hercegovcima nego mnogi Dalmatinci, i pozitivnije su govorili o Hercegovcima nego o Dalmatincima.

Pravoslavce iz istočne Hercegovine i Crne Gore ne podnose ali to je zbog rata i pustošenja (nisam ni znala da su bila takva), u budućnosti će vjerojatno odnosi ići na bolje sa svakom novom generacijom.

OK su Dubrovčani, mirniji i manje agresivni od Dalmatinaca, iznenadili su me srdačnošću.
05-08-2021, 09:51 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

very interesting. they aren't on that map of vlach katuns, so I thought they could be a non-vlach family.

so none of the Herzegovinian "vlachs" have a certain pre-Slavic haplogroup. even N-P189.2 is currently considered a "northern" haplogroup by most of the poreklo admins.

Not all Herzegovinian vlach katuns are marked on the map from my post.

Accorring to legend fouder of Maleševci tribe was Serbian duke Maleš. He was from Herzegovina, but moved to the Berovo in eastern Macedonia. Because of Ottoman invasion he returned from Berovo in his native area between Trebinje and Bileća and died there in early 15th century https://malesevci.rs/males-srpski-vojvoda/
Maleševo mountain or Maleš moutain near Berovo is named by duke Maleš https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maleshevo_Mountain
Duke Maleš arrived to Berovo as part of Serbian administration in the time of tsar Dušan or tsar Uroš. Serbian nobleman who came to Macedonia, Albania and Greece in time of Serbian rule there were mostly from Dinaric region.

More about Maleševci
https://malesevci.blogspot.com/2008/02/blog-post.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maleševci
https://html.scribdassets.com/10wqmp...471d8dade9.png
05-08-2021, 10:32 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Tako Varda zove tebe :D

Pa navodno i jesu, većina bi trebala potjecati iz Zagore (i po govoru). Ima o tome na HB forumu.

Mislio sam da je Insuperable baš iz Škutorije (oblast otprilike omeđena Širokim, Ljubuškim i Posušjem, sa Grudama u srcu). A on je iz južnijeg/jugoistočnijeg kraja. Neću ga više zvati Škutorom. :)
Hrvati iz Mostara, Čapljine, Stoca, Rame, Duvna itd. nisu Škutori. Od Dalmatinaca Škutorima su najbliži/najsličniji Imoćani, i oni se često trpaju u Škutore (neki čak i sami sebe smatraju Škutorima). Čuo sam da su Škutori po mnogo čemu specifični i da se razlikuju od ostalih hercegovačkih i tropoljskih Hrvata.
05-08-2021, 10:49 PM
Insuperable

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

Mislio sam da je Insuperable baš iz Škutorije (oblast otprilike omeđena Širokim, Ljubuškim i Posušjem, sa Grudama u srcu). A on je iz južnijeg/jugoistočnijeg kraja. Neću ga više zvati Škutorom. :)
Hrvati iz Mostara, Čapljine, Stoca, Rame, Duvna itd. nisu Škutori. Od Dalmatinaca Škutorima su najbliži/najsličniji Imoćani, i oni se često trpaju u Škutore (neki čak i sami sebe smatraju Škutorima). Čuo sam da su Škutori po mnogo čemu specifični i da se razlikuju od ostalih hercegovačkih i tropoljskih Hrvata.

Ne razlikujemo se po ničemu. Nema nikakve razlike između hercegovačkih Hrvata. Ja ne vidim. Da me bilo gdje staviš u Hercegovini ne bih znao među kojim sam ljudima. U Dalmaciji se osjeti razlika, kulturno, pa ja antro profesionalac vidim čak i fizionomski što je najviše izrazeno na otocima.
05-08-2021, 10:55 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Insuperable

Ne razlikujemo se po ničemu. Nema nikakve razlike između hercegovačkih Hrvata. Ja ne vidim. Da me bilo gdje staviš u Hercegovini ne bih znao među kojim sam ljudima. U Dalmaciji se osjeti razlika, kulturno, pa ja antro profesionalac vidim čak i fizionomski što je najviše izrazeno na otocima.

Dudu sa HercegBosne (on je iz Duvna) kaže da su Škutori poseban soj ljudi i da se tačno vidi razlika između njih i Duvnjaka. Nije objasnio na šta tačno misli.
05-08-2021, 10:57 PM
Insuperable

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

Dudu sa HercegBosne (on je iz Duvna) kaže da su Škutori poseban soj ljudi i da se tačno vidi razlika između njih i Duvnjaka. Nije objasnio na šta tačno misli.

Nebitno jer nas zaboli nas kurac za te kompleksaše iz Tropolja.
05-09-2021, 12:06 AM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Bosniak from eastern Herzegovina:

Code:

Bosniak_Hercegovina,26.17,23.06,19.93,9.86,16.80,1.88,0.15,0.26,0.35,0.01,1.54,0.00,0.00

His Baltic score is very low for person from BiH. :confused: Even Sandžakians and Bulgarians have higher Baltic on average.

Do you have any other Bosniak result from eastern Herzegovina?
05-09-2021, 12:37 AM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

His Baltic score is very low for person from BiH. :confused:

Even Sandžakians and Bulgarians have higher Baltic on average.

it's weirder that both the Baltic and NA are low.

this person has around the same level of Baltic, but the NA is much higher.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7183413

basically the Bosniak has an Thracian-like pre-Slavic part, and the Serb Illyrian like.

Distance to: Bosniak_Hercegovina
2.25094841 46.40% I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp + 53.60% AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp

Distance to: tepci
3.61568873 65.00% R1_Abruzzo_Teramo_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy + 35.00% AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp
05-09-2021, 12:49 AM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

When it is said Herzegovina, it means not only todays eastern Herzegovina, but historical Herzegovina, with parts of west Montenegro, southwest Serbia, and this already mentioned upper Podrinje (Foča-Goražde region).

As I said few months ago, it is not only Herzegovina as a place of origin of western Serbs, but also neighbouring regions. It is mentined that Austrian diplomat found Serbs in Bosanska Krajina who said their origin from Smederevo. That doesnt mean litteraly Smederevo as a towns, but Smederevo sanjak, that comprised lot o todays central and western Serbia.

One interesting thing I found is toponymes in close Višegrad surrounding:

https://i.imgur.com/Jw7vehq.png

They resemble Krajina Serbs.

There are villages Uništa, Mirlovići in northern Dalmatia, Kosovo polje near Knin, Babin Potok is village in Lika, Dubovik in Bosanska Krajina.
Rodić is well known Krajina Serb surname.

All these villages down which connect Herzegovina and Krajina are Serbian or were until recent past, except Borojevići near Stolac wich have Bosniak majority

Kazanci (Gacko) and Kazanci (Bosansko Grahovo)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazanci
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donji_Kazanci

Ugarci (Trebinje) and Ugarci (Bosansko Grahovo)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugarci,_Trebinje
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugarci,_Bosansko_Grahovo

Lastva (Trebinje) and Lastve (Bosanski Petrovac)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lastva
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lastve

Vođeni (Ljubinje) and Vođenica (Bosanski Petrovac)
https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vođeni
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vođenica

Borojevići (Stolac) and Borojevići (Banija)
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borojevići_(Stolac)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borojevići

Maleševci (Bosansko Grahovo) and Maleševci tribe from Trebinje-Bileća (i wrote about them in detail in on of previous posts)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maleše...sansko_Grahovo

Ljubovo (Trebinje) and Ljubovo (Udbina)
https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljubovo_(Trebinje)
https://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljubovo

Rastovac (Kalinovik) and Rastovac Budački (Kordun)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastovac,_Kalinovik
https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastovac_Budački

Grkavci (Trebinje) and Grkovci (Bosansko Grahovo)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grkavci
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grkovci

Borkovići (Plužine) and Borkovići (Banja Luka)
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borkovići_(Plužine)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borkovići

Vrba (Gacko) and Vrba (Glamoč)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrba,_Gacko
https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrba_(Glamoč)

Todorići (Trebinje) and Todorići (Šipovo)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todorići,_Trebinje
https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todorići_(Šipovo)

Examples of connections of toponyms from Herzegovina with Krajina Serb surnames

Diklići village near Trebinje and Krajina Serb surname Diklić (mostly from Lika) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diklići,_Trebinje

Budisavlje village near Nevesinje and famous Krajina/Lika Serb surname Budisavljević https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budisavlje

Zgonjevo village near Trebinje and Krajina Serb surname Zgonjanin (from Banija and western Bosnia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zgonjevo

Grbići village near Trebinje and Krajina Serb surname Grbić (from western Bosnia, Lika and Kordun) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grbići_(Trebinje)

Mišljen village near Ljubinje and Krajina Serb surname Mišljen (from Oton near Knin) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mišljen

Dulići near Gacko and Krajina Serb surname Dulić (from western Bosnia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stari_Dulići

Mrkonjići village near Trebinje and Krajina Serb surname Mrkonjić (from Kordun) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrkonjići

Cerovac village near Trebinje and Krajina Serb surname Cerovac (from Strmica near Knin) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerovac,_Trebinje

Kovačići village near Nevesinje and Krajina Serb surname Kovačić (from Kordun and western Bosnia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kovačići,_Nevesinje
05-09-2021, 08:55 AM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

it's weirder that both the Baltic and NA are low.

this person has around the same level of Baltic, but the NA is much higher.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7183413

basically the Bosniak has an Thracian-like pre-Slavic part, and the Serb Illyrian like.

Distance to: Bosniak_Hercegovina
2.25094841 46.40% I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp + 53.60% AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp

Distance to: tepci
3.61568873 65.00% R1_Abruzzo_Teramo_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy + 35.00% AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp

This is Bosniak, and according to surname he is from Gacko (eastern Herzegovina).

https://i.ibb.co/9T1tdYM/20200401-165759-2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/Ng0wvkm/20200401-165812.jpg
05-09-2021, 08:58 AM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

This is Bosniak, and according to surname he is from Gacko (eastern Herzegovina).

https://i.ibb.co/9T1tdYM/20200401-165759-2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/Ng0wvkm/20200401-165812.jpg

Why do you keep posting people who you have no idea where they are from? It's annoying.
05-09-2021, 09:02 AM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Why do you keep posting people who you have no idea where they are from? It's annoying.

He is 100% Bosniak. His surname is Tanović, and it's notable Bosniak surname from Gacko. Even if he is not from Gacko who cares, only important is that he is Bosniak.
05-09-2021, 09:32 AM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

This is Bosniak, and according to surname he is from Gacko (eastern Herzegovina).

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/9T1tdYM/20200401-165759-2.jpg
[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/Ng0wvkm/20200401-165812.jpg

He seems to have a bit of Mongoloid in him. Maybe distant Turkish?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

He is 100% Bosniak. His surname is Tanović, and it's notable Bosniak surname from Gacko. Even if he is not from Gacko who cares, only important is that he is Bosniak.

Bosnia is a small country/region and the Bosniaks are just 1.5 or so million, they're not extremely diverse.
Bosnia is smaller than Denmark by territory (39,000 km2).
05-09-2021, 09:37 AM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

He seems to have a bit of Mongoloid in him. Maybe distant Turkish?

Bosnia is a small country/region and the Bosniaks are just 1.5 or so million, they're not extremely diverse.

Bosniaks from BiH are quite diverse for such small population. Exist Bosniaks with 36-37% Baltic (mostly from northern Bosnia), and exist Bosniak with 23% Baltic (from eastern Herzegovina) posted by vbn.

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