Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarface F
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Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarface F
With Anatolian samples:
Target: Demirkazık
Distance: 2.1423% / 0.02142321
55.2 Anatolian
26.4 Turkic_Steppe
18.4 Balto-Slavic
Finnic component is totally wrong (there based on modern Udmurts who are mixed). In v2.5 version was used real ancient DNA from Iron Age Volga-Oka region. Also in that previous version several of Germanic samples were mixed. In this newest version is also added more purely Balto-Slavic samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Also East Med here is really east Med, Cypriot like Imperial Roman and clearly distinct from medieval pre-Slavic Balkan. Not sure what was used there, maybe same sample or maybe not.
If I remove Udmurts from source, I get more Turkic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarface F
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.1008% / 0.02100849
53.6 (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011
44.6 Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
1.8 Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195
Target: Tser_scaled
Distance: 1.6226% / 0.01622567
44.0 Balto-Slavic
40.2 Old_Balkan
12.8 East_Med
2.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.6 Volga_Basin
Target: WALKIRIATYR_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.4346% / 0.01434575
52.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
30.6 Old_Balkan
12.0 East_Med
5.0 Germanic
0.4 Turkic_Steppe
Target: KielGF
Distance: 1.7758% / 0.01775788
65.4 Balto-Slavic
11.8 Old_Balkan
10.8 Germanic
8.0 East_Med
3.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.2 Volga_Basin
About as Slavic as me, and highly Slavic for Hungarian. She has more Germanic and East Med than me tho, and much less Balkan. I noticed ethnic Hungarians usually score high East Med and less proper Balkan. I guess Roman presence in Pannonia was big.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiel
Forgot to say, in this v2.5 version I replaced Turkic sample too. Ottoman sample from V4 version, despite being highly Turkic, has some local Anatolian admixture. In this version, I used early Turk from Kazakhstan :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
I am adding more Balkanic samples. By that I mean something from early medieval and late antiquity. Do you have anything from Serbia or Bulgaria you wish me to add? Post here and I will run some tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Maybe these 2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarface F
Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6693,0.119514, 0.149283,0.011314,-0.015827,0.022158,-0.002789,-0.00047,0.013384,0.011658,0.027518,-0.003735,0.016036,-0.019177,0.008257,-0.008415,-0.01127,-0.002086,0.001267,0.011061,-0.004502,-0.003369,-0.002473,-0.002342,0.005061,-0.005628
Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6701,0.126344, 0.153345,0.028284,-0.028101,0.032621,-0.009482,0.005405,0.003,0.010431,0.031709,0.005521 ,0.001499,-0.006838,-0.001239,-0.011129,-0.014054,-0.011865,-0.004054,0.002137,-0.006503,-0.009733,-0.008779,0.002095,0.002289,-0.00467
Not bad, but they have very slight Slavic (1-2%) and R6693 scores 7% Germanic here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Here you can try with samples from Croatia that I filtered:
Keep in mind these are mixed Paleo Balkanites with massive East Med input.Code:West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Omišalj-Mirine:R2050,0.112685,0.148267,-0.001886,-0.0323,0.017849,-0.018965,0.001645,-0.004615,0.005727,0.019317,-0.002273,3e-04,-0.015609,0.005092,-0.007057,-0.00358,-0.001043,0.006714,0.011313,-0.016633,-0.009733,-0.005564,0.000986,-0.004338,-0.000359
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Gardun:R3543,0.114961,0.151314,0.008297,-0.028424,0.022158,-0.011156,0.006815,0.001154,-0.006749,0.029522,-0.005196,0.010491,-0.01115,-0.010046,-0.010858,-0.002254,-0.003651,0.001394,0.000503,-0.008129,-0.005989,-0.001484,-0.005176,0.003012,-0.000359
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Sipar:R3662,0.118376,0.149283,0.004525,-0.031654,0.029852,-0.003068,-0.002585,0.002077,0.013703,0.023691,0.003735,0.012889,-0.013528,0.004679,-0.008686,-0.006364,-0.003651,-0.002534,-0.000251,-0.002876,0.000125,0.003215,-0.001109,-0.000723,0.001317
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Sisak_Pogorelec:R2042,0.091058,0.150298,-0.001131,-0.053295,0.022466,-0.022311,-0.001175,-0.000923,0.019225,0.014579,-0.000974,-0.003447,0.004311,-0.008945,0.006515,-0.00411,0.008866,-0.004687,-0.000377,-0.007128,-0.00262,0.00507,-0.001602,-0.003253,0.000838
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Velic:R3685,0.117238,0.146236,0,-0.027778,0.017849,-0.020638,-0.00329,-0.006692,-0.000818,0.021868,-0.000325,0.003897,-0.018434,-0.001514,-0.009908,0.009944,0.011474,-0.003421,0.00264,-0.002501,-0.004866,-0.004081,-0.002958,0.004699,-0.001557
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Zadar_Poliklinika:R3746,0.126344,0.155376,0.012068,-0.047804,0.026774,-0.015339,-0.000235,-0.000923,0.014521,0.045377,0.006496,0.012889,-0.01219,-0.009909,-0.019815,-0.001061,0.018515,0.002914,0.009176,-0.008254,-0.013476,-0.001731,-0.006162,0.003133,-0.005029
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Zadar_Ulica:R3743,0.119514,0.162485,0.009805,-0.028747,0.028005,-0.012271,0.00188,0.005538,0.00409,0.034989,0.009581,0.003747,-0.008028,0.001101,-0.017508,-0.012994,-0.000261,0.003294,0.004777,-0.012256,-0.007612,0.00371,0.002095,0.005181,-0.002155
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Zadar_Ulica:R3744,0.114961,0.152329,0.012445,-0.021641,0.022773,-0.016733,-0.00517,-0.001385,0.001227,0.0277,-0.008931,0.00045,-0.019326,-0.011147,-0.007057,-0.007955,-0.000391,0.000507,0.005656,0.001876,-0.003743,0.003215,0.004437,-0.004097,0.001557
Also more steppe samples to add, they are 100% Turkic:
Code:Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_elite:CS465,0.0387,-0.384886,0.082589,-0.02261,-0.075091,-0.035698,0.018096,0.027922,0.007976,0.014032,-0.017051,3e-04,0.000149,0.001927,0.001764,-0.004906,0.000391,0.000507,0.005531,0.016508,-0.020464,0.002844,-0.020706,-0.000964,-0.000838
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_elite:KV3369,0.042115,-0.376761,0.101823,-0.027132,-0.091402,-0.049085,0.025146,0.02746,0.007567,0.012757,0.002761,0.005545,-0.006541,-0.000688,0.003257,0.004375,0.001173,0.002534,0.006662,0.013006,-0.018467,-0.005688,-0.008997,-0.001687,0.006586
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_leader:KFP7,0.030732,-0.404181,0.09692,-0.027455,-0.080323,-0.053826,0.021621,0.025845,0.015135,0.018041,-0.024033,-0.002997,-0.003568,0.018441,0.011265,-0.003447,0.001043,-0.008235,0.002514,0.016633,-0.019965,-0.009645,-0.015899,0.000964,0.00012
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_military_leader:FGD4,0.0387,-0.377777,0.080327,-0.01292,-0.075399,-0.044065,0.016216,0.018922,0.002863,0.006743,-0.023384,0.002398,0.000595,0.000413,0.010315,0.002254,-0.003912,-0.006461,0.003771,0.015883,-0.01148,-0.005317,-0.01861,-0.003976,-0.002874
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_middlelate_Avar_elite:KV3456,0.043253,-0.365591,0.101445,-0.013566,-0.081554,-0.035977,0.016686,0.025614,0.01309,0.012939,-0.020786,0.001499,-0.001933,-0.001651,0.001086,0.013524,0.007953,-0.004434,0.006159,0.018884,-0.027576,-0.006554,-0.023417,0.007953,0.003233
I will remove Albo medieval sample, it has some fault; minor Slavic admixture.
Target: Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
Distance: 1.8479% / 0.01847861
94.4 West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval
5.6 Balto-Slavic
Quite similar with what I got in Illustrative DNA in West Balkans mode (in my signature)Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarface F
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.0255% / 0.02025542
53.6 Balto-Slavic
44.6 West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval
1.8 Avar_Eurasian_steppe
Yes, she clusters with Ukranians from Zakarpattia. All, literally all of her ancestors have Hungarian surnames dating back to the early 1700s. She is from the Serbian border, lot of her ancestors lived in Vojvodina. Doesnt seem to be Serbian like at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarface F
Seems people like your girlfriend were typical for Vojvodina pre-Ottoman and in Ottoman era, before Serb migrations. Here are two locals from Srijem who are western Ukrainian like:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiel
Distance to: Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R3906.SG
0.01886463 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02345250 Hungarian
0.02443668 Slovenian
0.02486251 Croat_North
0.02673816 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02801453 Croat_Main
0.02836279 Czech
0.02876936 Slovakian
0.02932641 Bosnian
0.02941601 Ukrainian_Pontic
Distance to: Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R6737.SG
0.02600240 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02768315 Slovenian
0.02956098 Hungarian
0.03041092 Croat_North
0.03084445 Slovakian
0.03160085 Croat_Main
0.03192020 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03231740 Bosnian
0.03356379 Ukrainian_Pontic
0.03438193 Czech
this one was also close:
Distance to: Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R9662.SG
0.02831945 Slovenian
0.02837124 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02842774 Hungarian
0.02861186 Croat_North
0.02963521 Czech
0.03055259 Slovakian
0.03260950 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03272326 Croat_Main
0.03350498 Polish_Silesian
0.03382068 German_East
I assume they spoke Hungarian.
Thats really interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarface F
I have seen some Ancestry DNA results of Hungarians from Vojvodina, they get 80-100% EE. Couldnt get them to get G25 tho.
Gf distances
Distance to: KielGF
0.01558406 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.01847367 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02046176 Slovenian
0.02135999 Croatian
0.02366999 Czech
0.02381375 Hungarian
0.02476318 Cossack_Ukrainian_Dnipropetrovsk
0.02503492 Polish_Silesian
0.02614015 Ukrainian_Zaporizhzhia
0.02702396 Ukrainian_Pontic
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarface F
Code:Serbia_Naissus_LateAntiquity.SG:R6764.SG,0.126344,0.161469,0.017348,-0.033915,0.038776,-0.02259,0.00141,0,0.004909,0.038816,0.006983,0.013038,-0.017245,0.004404,-0.018865,0.006232,0.030249,0.003674,0.010433,-0.004502,-0.009733,-0.004822,-0.005916,-0.003976,-0.011496
Serbia_Viminacium_Roman_elite_3.SG:R6756.SG,0.122929,0.171624,0.008674,-0.043282,0.030159,-0.01506,0.003055,-0.001385,0.003477,0.037358,0.005521,0.008093,-0.008028,-0.004542,-0.031894,-0.010077,0.009388,-0.00038,0.006662,-0.013381,-0.012104,0.012984,-0.004314,0.006868,-0.001078
Bulgaria_LateAntiquity:I18792,0.110408,0.179749,0.003771,-0.056202,0.023389,-0.020359,-0.003055,0.001846,0.01718,0.043737,-0.008769,0.003297,-0.028246,-0.016239,-0.019137,-0.005171,0.02386,-0.010642,-0.003897,-0.006003,-0.016097,0.017064,-0.002342,0.022292,-0.008143
Thank you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Far_away
Naissus is about 9% Slavic, but other two are fine, I'm taking them!
This one also works:
Code:Montenegro_Doclea_Roman_oAegean.SG:R3481.SG,0.117238,0.157407,0.015462,-0.032946,0.018773,-0.012829,0.00376,-0.002538,0,0.029887,-0.005846,0.002997,-0.017245,0.003853,-0.010858,-0.017767,-0.002086,0.003927,0.004525,-0.012256,-0.001996,0.008903,-0.003081,-0.003012,-0.002395
New version is here!
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...24#post7844124
Is this the most recent version? The link to 2.6 doesn't work.
I'm looking for the most recent version of this calculator.
Target: JohnDoeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Distance: 1.2975% / 0.01297528 | R4P
47.4 Balto-Slavic
33.8 Old_Balkan
16.0 Germanic
2.8 East_Med
Target: JohnDoe
Distance: 1.2861% / 0.01286130
47.6 Balto-Slavic
29.8 Old_Balkan
11.2 Germanic
7.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
4.0 East_Med
Similar...
these Germans, man, where did I get that from, they still show a resemblance to the old Norwegian samples without the Celtic influence.. on this calc i think it show a bit pseudo celtic..But around 10% of nordic I got everywhere
Dodaj za balkan sample nesto drugoQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnDoe22
Quote:
I will remove Albo medieval sample, it has some fault; minor Slavic admixture.
Target: Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
Distance: 1.8479% / 0.01847861
94.4 West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval
5.6 Balto-Slavic
Imas neki predlog sa cime da zamenim?Quote:
Originally Posted by Usernotfound
Mozda ovajQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnDoe22
Code:Macedonia_IA:I10384,0.125205,0.155376,0.023759,-0.006137,0.022466,-0.001673,-0.000235,0,0.007363,0.025513,0.002598,0.007044,-0.017393,-0.006193,-0.010315,0.003182,0.004694,0.003801,0.003897,-0.016008,-0.013227,-0.00272,-0.007888,0.003133,-0.006706
Sada cu da probam...mislim da bi za srpsku populaciju mozda i najbolji bio Montenegro Roman ( crnogorski Iliri).Quote:
Originally Posted by Usernotfound
Ovo je sa Tracanima i Severnim Ilirma
Target: JohnDoe
Distance: 1.2101% / 0.01210092
52.8 Balto-Slavic
24.2 Tračani
13.8 Germanic
6.0 East_Med
3.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
Montenegro Roman nisu cisti Iliri, imaju dosta taj east med. Zato sam ti dao IA sample. U ovom calc imas vec rimljane, treba ti IA sample.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnDoe22
Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 4.0525% / 0.04052489
64.6 Caucasus
17.8 Germanic
9.0 Ciscaucasia
8.6 Turkic_Steppe
Distance to: tk'es_scaled
0.07927466 Caucasus:Anc
0.11486100 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.13477275 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.14870076 Ciscaucasia:Anc
0.15495766 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.15501402 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.15826514 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.15834963 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.15871756 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.15883027 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.16027606 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.16192639 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.17628491 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.17632938 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad: PCA0189
0.18103922 Balto-Slavic: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.18153328 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.19190646 Volga_Basin
0.30783724 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001
Distance to: Vessna_scaled
0.03144919 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.03160964 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.03535573 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.04056988 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.07469724 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.07594755 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.07607634 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.08217348 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.09509215 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.09722555 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.10071276 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.10268653 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.11116809 Volga_Basin
0.15155176 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.20491775 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.34213707 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001
Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 2.0660% / 0.02066036
93.8 Balto-Slavic
3.0 Volga_Basin
2.0 Turkic_Steppe
1.2 East_Med
Balto Nigga :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vessna
I am gona try it now :thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by Usernotfound
Target: JohnDoe
Distance: 1.2809% / 0.01280860
47.6 Balto-Slavic
27.4 Old_Balkan
11.0 Germanic
5.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
4.6 Macedonia_IA
3.6 East_Med
You somehow always find a way to demonstrate your two digit IQQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnDoe22
I saw that from you, a little Asian influence isn't bad, it gives you a more exotic aesthetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vessna
I don’t look exotic nor do I have any Turkic ancestry. Drawing conclusions from a single calc result isn’t particularly smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnDoe22
izbaci ALB_MA_I13839 i samo ostavi Macedonia IA :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnDoe22
I didn't saw your photo I can't tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vessna
..
I added the two early Slavs from the Czech Republic and these are the results
Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 1.5757% / 0.01575671
79.6 Germanic
8.0 East_Med
4.8 Volga_Basin
4.2 Balto-Slavic
2.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.0 Czech_Early_Slav2
Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 1.9291% / 0.01929119 | ADC: 1x RC
74.6 Germanic
25.4 Czech_Early_Slav2
Distance to: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
0.02451281 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.03161480 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.03303513 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.03747406 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.04845807 Czech_Early_Slav2:I4137
0.04930041 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.04943470 Czech_Early_Slav1:RISE569
0.05231021 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.05526885 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.05795363 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.07002884 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.07008265 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.08192023 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.08257201 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.12230014 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.13387901 Volga_Basin
0.17487618 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.34115658 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...42#post8288442Quote:
Originally Posted by Peterski