You should be happy, that it wans't Y hg :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazimiera
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You should be happy, that it wans't Y hg :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazimiera
When I looked in the results my reaction was:... eee so boring... majority hg... :picard1:
I was a little bit nervous, but Im satisfied with my haplogroup Q-m25
J1 master race
E-V13 nothing but Congo. Lovin it! :thumb001:
Yes, haplogroups mean everything to me
No.. I iz disappoint! :mad:
Boooooooooo!
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Armstrong
How is this something you could even have an opinion about?
You are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Etain
It is like: are you happy abouyt your parents? About four family or, are you happy that you are who you are?
It's actually not like that at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
So, considering you said you were disappointed, you are disappointed in who you are and who your family is, yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
double
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
If you are making a genealogical research, and you find - oh, my granpa
was named John, like 50% of people at that time in that village, I hoped
he was named Athaulf or something similar... - it means, that you are
disapointed in your grandpa per se?
I simply have so problems with hgs, so I was prepered for every opportunity. If R - ok,
fine, if Q - fine too, I am uniqe aso. If I would be uniqe, my reaction would be.. oh... I
am asian... ok, not problem - similar to the majority result. And I knew some things about
hgs and their ethnical connections at that time, so it was for me known as an option from
many known to me possibilities. Simply - I do not emotionate about this, and my surprize
could be long as 5 seconds max. So this is not something what you can call as being
disapointed in family, rather as a became aware of nothing exotic.
At the time when I was tested it was known only that hgs existed, and when I get my
results, it was only a map of Europe with five points on her - unique too, but until this
day I have no idea what it meant. One guy in south Poland, one in Bukarest, in Kyjev,
one in Riga and one somewhere between Hungary Serbia or Romania - I dont remember
exactly. So at that time it gave me not to much about my origin, and about my direct
rethelness - am I rethel or not... Especially, that I expected something similar to the
area of Germany, Italy or something common with western Europe. It wasn't good time
for specific subclades and long specific describings.
But of course after that I was happy becasue it was mine hg,
and still I am happy about my indoeuropeandom as it is visible.
This is why I don't get, why someone can be not happy with hg which he has.
Simply he has it, the same as he has some family, clan and nationality - and this
is objectivly exactly the same in every case.
If I would be Q, N, E whatever, I would be then interested in culture, history, race,
and possibly language, of that group of people, because it would be mine hg, no
matter what hg - coincidently I have R1, so I am interested in that group of people.
Btw, I knew more than decade before I was tested, that I can't be sure who am I according
to ancient population (present big population groups), neither that I am a local Oldeuropean,
neither that I am a new Indoeuropean, or that I am some traveller from who knows where...
Obvious was, that people mixed and there was no way to know that for sure, so I was quitely
laughing in my room as a child over all racists and people who were aryanists-indoeuropeists,
becasue there was probablity, that they are not, who they think they are, or wish to be - and
for that to know, there was no need of hg research my jewish fellow. It was enaugh to think
about it a little...
So I knew, that I can be IE, OE, ME, Asian, whatever, since many years before hg were created
and known. Hg on her own is nothing and means nothing. It has a meaning only, if is a signature
of something else. This is why Y-hgs are meaningfull and mt-hgs are not. If a gen of the little
toe in the left leg would described the lineage and tribe, then he would be important, not Y-hg.
So the letter of hg has the same meaning as letters in this word, describing something
different, than shape of letters and themselves. Aren't they? The same is with any other
expression of similar things, as surname, genealogy, language, name of tribe aso, which
have meaning only, when they are conected to something. It is not enaugh (for example)
to have surnmane smith to be "our smith" - there is need for something more, and the
same is with hgs, which are describing paleoethnicities, which had their own life, territory,
customs, languages, sometimes race and history, which has continuity until this day,
becasue you can describe the such things as Indoeuropeans, Semites, Chineses, Amerindians...
And this is what gives the importance of such thing as hg - the letter is not importnat,
important is the contens and adds to that particular lineage what means people from
that lineage, becasue lineage without people is empty also.
I don't know what mine is, and I wouldn't care what it is.
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Originally Posted by Wanderer
Maybe a Turkic Hg from a Tatar.
A couple interesting things about the haplogroup breakdowns for UkrainiansQuote:
Originally Posted by Harlekin
-More J than you might otherwise think.
-More Q than any other European population, it appears.
-Notable presence of E3b
-Very little N3, unlike Russians
The following pie chart for Ukrainians doesn't exactly strongly resemble any other European population.
Anyone who doesn't think Ukrainians are a unique population is quite mistaken. ;)
http://i2.wp.com/thedockyards.com/wp...-of-Europe.png
https://otvet.imgsmail.ru/download/2...f6fd4a_800.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Harlekin
let me say some more to you: any population is unique by definition. And it's not secret that russians by whole middile centuries slavicied civilicied different wild tribes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wanderer
This guy is very similar to Ruuriikko... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Бes
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...titularnik.jpg
Both have chinky y-dna. Rurik N1c1 and the Ukrainain mongol probs has R1a. Asian brotherhood. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
Yeah, I mean with my R1b-U152 it confirmed my paternal line, father to son, has been in in the N. Italy area for a few thousand years so that was pretty neat... as for my X2d mtDNA, it added a little mystery to the equation heh.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1473004884Quote:
Originally Posted by Бes
Haplogroups don't mean anything. You could have a black Grandmother and still get R1B haplogroup, doesn't mean you're white.
Haplogroups are much more interesting for examining the collective origins of populations. You're right that they're not very meaningful on an individual level.Quote:
Originally Posted by r0karoka
You should contemplate on this part deeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by r0karoka
In Soviets - maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wanderer
If you are noone from nowhere, then yes...Quote:
You're right that they're not very meaningful on an individual level.
The very fact, that your son/grandson is your's means nothing to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by r0karoka
J & E master raceQuote:
Originally Posted by Бes
They are for long term population migration studies, not for autosomal studies. Much like an individuals autosomal DNA have little bearing when describing a population. If you have R1b, your father had it, and his father, and his father .. etc. back until the first person to have the specific branch of R1b you carry.Quote:
Originally Posted by r0karoka
Easily bro! :thumbs up Neolithic Pride!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoran
R & N are mongoloid haplos, no ty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Бes
They can't swing from trees like I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoran
If your dad's mother is of African descent, you can still get the R1B haplogroup from your father. That still doesn't mean you or him are white/european.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
Yes, we have some problems with that... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Бes
But we can fly in the air!
http://htigers.webs.com/photos/MASTE...0low%20res.JPG
You didn't make a use of your brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by r0karoka
So I will give you a little help parafrazing your words:
Race means nothing. You could
have a black grandmother, being
1/4 black yourself, and still be R1b!
second half Kazkhstan C2b Poland R1a 0:2Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
football qualifications
It doesn't mean anything, you're still not european/white. You're pretty autistic, no offence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
Yep. My haplogroups could have been any combination of hapolgroups and I would have been satisfied. To honest I don't care about them. When I first found out what they were,I was a little interested. I looked some stuff up about them but after the first week or so I was over it. They might be important to some people on these kind of forums but not to the majority of people. Not to me. Since the dawn of time people have lived their whole lives happily never knowing what their haplogroups were. 90% of people in the real world don't even know what a haplogroup is. Anyone of any race,ethnicity or mixture can have any type of haplogroup. So I thinks it dumb for people to discriminate against someone just because they have a certain haplogroup
It could've been worse.