I added yours. It's easy to add the results into the the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...fwg/edit#gid=0Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley
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I added yours. It's easy to add the results into the the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...fwg/edit#gid=0Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley
Added mine to the spreadsheet.
That is not my results in there, I just took another persons as an example, so that has to be removed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Petalpusher
I didn't put them, i knew it wasn't yours. It's Shuffle's results, a German.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berahthraban
Could you put in the Calabrese sample, the Greeks etc. I posted a few pages back?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simargl
Let's get Calabria in there:
Population
ANE 7.77%
ASE 0.40%
WHG-UHG 26.03%
East_Eurasian 0.46%
West_African -
East_African 3.44%
ENF 61.89%
and Crete:
Population
ANE 10.54%
ASE 0.98%
WHG-UHG 27.72%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.22%
East_African -
ENF 60.55%
And Campania:
Population
ANE 9.88%
ASE 0.90%
WHG-UHG 29.77%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.07%
East_African 1.20%
ENF 58.18%
And Greek Islands 2:
Population
ANE 9.34%
ASE 2.60%
WHG-UHG 36.45%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.11%
East_African 0.47%
ENF 51.03%
One thing I don't agree with this map is Lithuanian being the most northern shifted. With 23andme too. This skews the results cause the Lithuanian should be eastern shifted. A Norwegian should be the sample for the most northern shifted instead.
Why is cmv88's father not right next to East Sicily and Greek islands?
But Lithuanians have the most WHG...wouldn't you argue Sami are the most Northern-shifted? Except, of course, they don't fit as well with other Europeans. Conventional wisdom isn't correct; the most autochthonous group is the Balts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chloe
As funny as it may sound, he doesn't have enough ASE / South Indian. You can drift away from a country for these reasons too, even if you lack some African and the average has some. The calculator doesn't care what you consider good or bad, you need all of them to plot closer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
Most Southeastern Aprician award.
If we put every Sicilian and Greek islander on there, they'd make one large cluster and Longbowman would be in it too.
Do you have any information about how much WHG the Sami have on average?Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
How is the WHG calculated? It doesn't look right if an eastern people such as Lithuanians is considered as the northern one instead of a Norwegian. I don't know sami's stats but their look it's eastern looking at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
It's the Baltic HG, it's where it peaks. Norwegian are more Western, you ll see that even Swedes are more N.Western than Norwegian. It's not a geographical map, it's the point of a PCA like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chloe
It's an arbitrary choice though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petalpusher
A Baltic/d shouldn't be the epitome of northern as it is eastern as we understand and accept east from a geographical and phenotypical point of view.
They have more indigenous HG. Nothing arbitrary it's a genetic reality, but again they lack the Western of typical Scandinavians which make them more European in some sense. What we have in mind as the epitome of Northern European is Northern but also Western. It isn't only made of "North stuff".Quote:
Originally Posted by Chloe
You can also see it like this if you prefer, it's more natural with our geographical perception :
Spoiler!
Similarity with Mesolithic Europeans like Lochsbour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chloe
Petalpusher has explained the rest.
So, I gather I'm somewhere between firemonkey and Eleonore, South of both of them, but favoring the SE English?? :confused: What does this data mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simargl
Amazing work guys, you rock :D
Question : Im not exactly next to "Norman" (or is it just a name?), because i have a German/Polish Great grandparent?
This admixture analysis wwas done by Polako in which 7 admixture components were chosen. We collected the samples based on k7 run and I run principal component analysis ( PCA) to transform multivariate data (7 variables in this case) to 2 principal components such that most variation in the original data is preserved. This is done for visual exploration of the data on 2D plane.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacDonald
You are more NorthWest than Eleonore, and firemonkey is more NorthEast than both. You are all really close and with Armstrong too as expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacDonald
it's a Normand i added because i knew he had 4 grandparent from Normandy. This map actually shows an amazing thing for you, and this is the perfect example, you are right on the vertical line of a Norman (Which is the North/South ratio) and also exactly on the horizontal line of all Germanic population and probably a central average German (if we had one around). What had to be demonstrated...Norman + 1/4 German.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleonore
Which means you re ethnically Normand with a East shift (possibly even a bit Eastern German). If we had that map when we saw your results it would have been perfectly clear right away. That's how PCA charts like this can be much better than calculators. There s some limitations that we could talk about but it really makes it easier to visualize someone's genetic.
Interesting to have some Belgians on there, is one Flemish and the other Walloon, or is this just natural variation within one group?
Added a couple of only (high quality SNP samples) to that list. Battle axe Late Neolthic Sweden, Iron Age Briton & Sintashta Culture. Also the Western Scottish average Argyll.
And AneK7 isnt outdated yet. It's still fine.
can you add a lebanese sample? want to see where they plotQuote:
Originally Posted by Graham
Lebanese would be on the edge of the pca, the ENF needs to be sorted anyhow. The top scores tend to influence the pca. So you need the correct ENF, WHG & ANE types on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmv88
Don't want to enlarge it for him to much.
Added the lebanese averages, but it might squeeze every one together too much. Which means that the writing would be hard to see.
thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
he could do one pca plot with the lebanese sample and then erase it for the next updates..right?
Always had a feeling I would plot within the Northwestern quadrant of the PCA chart... nonetheless good work on the samples! :thumb001:
Perhaps we are related after all, Armstrong! Lower the SNP count and see what happens! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Armstrong
I used median values for some populations due to sample outliers that can affect the average values. If you add samples outside of Europe such as the middle east , then we will need to increase the resolution to make the text visible for the subjects that are positioned closer to each other . Update (3200x1800 resolution): http://postimg.org/image/ljjmq94er/full/
There is one thing that might need to be fixed. Is that ASE is going to nudge people a little more North than they should be, due to who has the highest scores. So it might be an idea to find someone or a group that can correct it. But it will only makes a small difference.
ANE I think is pulling a bit too hard also.
ASE is in the range of 0-3.37Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
WHG 10.1-80.23
ENF f 0-80.33
ANE 6.66 – 21.92
The admixture proportions that have the largest ranges will dominate two principal components that we plot the most . Because there is a higher variation in WHG values. So, in the northern direction it will be the WHG admixture component, while ASE won't make much difference. Larger ANE admixture component pulls members in the north-eastern direction. Let's say among members who have higher WHG proportion those who also have higher
thanks! very interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by Simargl
What population would be down of my position in the map?
Graham I removed the ASE component from data and generated the plot. See if you can find much difference it has made to north-south gradient : http://postimg.org/image/ih8olhit9/full/
I'd leave ASE as it is.
You are most south-western member on the plot. Spaniards will be towards your way.Quote:
Originally Posted by gold_fenix
Interesting redo. I notice there's a cluster of people south of me and if I'm reading this right, Graham's to the northwest.