Transylvanian/Romanian GEDmatch Results

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From Mures

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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

28.08 23.63 18.50 8.13 14.24 0.79 1.27 0.88 1.70 0.67 0.91 1.19 0

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Compared to others from Mures

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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

24.25 30.41 14.82 9.94 16.08 1.64 0 0.47 0.99 0.65 0.73 0 0

21.44 28.59 16.86 10.54 16.15 3.25 0.87 0 1.41 0.90 0 0 0

26.34 22.26 19.68 10.29 14.43 2.80 2.11 0 1.52 0.30 0.28 0 0

25.50 23.15 17.63 10.05 17.66 2.79 0.10 0.55 2.01 0.27 0.30 0 0

25.25 24.30 18.85 9.80 14.83 2.78 2.41 0 0.18 0.68 0.58 0.34 0

24.49 30.54 13.40 9.93 16.80 2.35 0 0.31 1.77 0 0.41 0 0

25.07 23.78 16.99 11.66 16.06 2.05 1.78 0 0.85 0.87 0.65 0.05 0.19

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Distance to: Mures_ind

4.83290803 Romania_Crisana

5.99695756 Romania_Transylvania

6.00520607 Montenegrin

6.26758327 Székely

6.41424976 Romania_Moldavia_South

6.55450990 Bosniak_Sandzak

6.56163089 Hungarian_Transylvania

6.82665365 Romania_Oltenia

6.82671956 Romania_Maramures

6.98000716 Romania_average

7.08612024 Csángó

7.09305999 Serb_central

7.33922339 Serb

7.46171562 Romania_Banat

7.71310573 Serb_south

8.00126240 Bulgaria_Southwestern

8.15479000 Romania_Wallachia

8.23280633 Serb_north

8.28882380 Romania_Dobruja

8.55764570 Moldova_South

8.59311352 Romania_Moldavia_North

8.72528510 Romania_Muntenia

8.76721164 Bulgaria_Northwestern

8.93242968 Croat_West

9.02941859 Croat_South

Distance to: Mures_ind

4.83290803 Romania_Crisana

5.99695756 Romania_Transilvania

6.02557998 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

6.41424976 Romania_Moldova_Sud

6.56163089 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

6.82665365 Romania_Oltenia

6.82671956 Romania_Maramures

7.05607540 Romania_Moldova_Csango

7.24277571 Romania_average

7.46171562 Romania_Banat

8.28882380 Romania_Dobrogea

8.59311352 Romania_Moldova_Nord

8.72528510 Romania_Muntenia

9.65511264 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

9.76475294 Bulgarian

10.83413587 Aromanian_North-Macedonia

11.98206159 Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander

15.31433642 Aromanian_Central-Macedonia

15.91334032 Romania_Ukrainian

16.21977805 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

21.43077227 Ukrainian_Lviv

27.60122280 Crimean_Tatar

29.64596937 Romania_Jewish

29.83076432 Romania_Dobruja_Tatar

33.46760971 Romania_Roma

Distance: 2.1703% / 2.17026658
Target: Mures_ind | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.9 Romania_Crisana
37.9 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
10.0 Aromanian_Central-Macedonia
5.4 Romania_Dobruja_Tatar
1.8 Romania_Roma

-Saxon, Aromanian
Distance: 4.1607% / 4.16070040
Target: Mures_ind | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.6 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
28.9 Romania_Crisana
8.5 Romania_Jewish

-Hungarian
Distance: 4.8329% / 4.83290803
Target: Mures_ind | ADC: 0.25x RC
100.0 Romania_Crisana

Distance to: Mures_ind

3.38439064 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

4.56435099 Romania_Crisana_Arad

5.47517123 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

5.49777228 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

5.71404410 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

5.83717397 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

5.87694649 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

6.30435564 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

6.68198324 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

6.72488662 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

6.78392217 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

7.22754453 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

7.51865679 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

7.71802436 Romania_Banat_Timis

9.20325486 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

9.35538882 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

9.65511264 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

10.65239879 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

12-27-2020, 10:31 AM
Lucas

Can you post Siebenburgen Saxons?

Distance to:	Mures_ind
4.83290803	Romania_Crisana
5.99695756	Romania_Transylvania
6.00520607	Montenegrin
6.26758327	Székely
6.41424976	Romania_Moldavia_South
6.55450990	Bosniak_Sandzak
6.56163089	Hungarian_Transylvania
6.82665365	Romania_Oltenia
6.82671956	Romania_Maramures
6.98000716	Romania_average
7.08612024	Csángó
7.09305999	Serb_central
7.33922339	Serb
7.46171562	Romania_Banat
7.71310573	Serb_south
8.00126240	Bulgaria_Southwestern
8.15479000	Romania_Wallachia
8.23280633	Serb_north
8.28882380	Romania_Dobruja
8.55764570	Moldova_South
8.59311352	Romania_Moldavia_North
8.72528510	Romania_Muntenia
8.76721164	Bulgaria_Northwestern
8.93242968	Croat_West
9.02941859	Croat_South

Distance to:	Mures_ind
4.83290803	Romania_Crisana
5.99695756	Romania_Transilvania
6.02557998	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
6.41424976	Romania_Moldova_Sud
6.56163089	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
6.82665365	Romania_Oltenia
6.82671956	Romania_Maramures
7.05607540	Romania_Moldova_Csango
7.24277571	Romania_average
7.46171562	Romania_Banat
8.28882380	Romania_Dobrogea
8.59311352	Romania_Moldova_Nord
8.72528510	Romania_Muntenia
9.65511264	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
9.76475294	Bulgarian
10.83413587	Aromanian_North-Macedonia
11.98206159	Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander
15.31433642	Aromanian_Central-Macedonia
15.91334032	Romania_Ukrainian
16.21977805	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
21.43077227	Ukrainian_Lviv
27.60122280	Crimean_Tatar
29.64596937	Romania_Jewish
29.83076432	Romania_Dobruja_Tatar
33.46760971	Romania_Roma

Distance to:	Mures_ind
3.38439064	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
4.56435099	Romania_Crisana_Arad
5.47517123	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
5.49777228	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
5.71404410	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
5.83717397	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
5.87694649	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
6.30435564	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
6.68198324	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
6.72488662	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
6.78392217	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
7.22754453	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
7.51865679	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
7.71802436	Romania_Banat_Timis
9.20325486	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
9.35538882	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
9.65511264	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon
10.65239879	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

Can you post Siebenburgen Saxons?

I have six samples.

This is the average (doesn't count one outlier):

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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

36.95 23.28 17.66 6.80 11.73 1.51 0.70 0.42 0.11 0.61 0.10 0.01 0.11

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And these are individual results:

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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

28.80 23.90 16.40 11.34 15.81 1.81 0.97 0.44 0 0.32 0.14 0.08 0

30.10 26.02 16.78 7.59 14.70 2.70 0 0.83 0 0.89 0 0 0.37

42.38 19.00 19.51 5.95 10.16 0.78 0.72 0 0 1.08 0.43 0 0

41.95 21.58 18.39 4.69 10.93 1.08 0.66 0 0 0.69 0 0 0

39.60 25.27 16.14 6.41 8.05 1.75 0.84 0.85 0.67 0.09 0 0 0.29

38.88 23.90 18.71 4.80 10.71 0.95 1.02 0.40 0 0.61 0 0 0

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02-08-2021, 06:13 PM
vbnetkhio

Bistrita-Nasaud

Population
North_Atlantic 25.43 Pct
Baltic 22.43 Pct
West_Med 16.63 Pct
West_Asian 4.32 Pct
East_Med 20.89 Pct
Red_Sea 4.34 Pct
South_Asian 1.17 Pct
East_Asian 1.48 Pct
Siberian 1.06 Pct
Amerindian 1.66 Pct
Oceanian 0.4 Pct
Northeast_African 0.19 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Population
North_Atlantic 24.96 Pct
Baltic 26.34 Pct
West_Med 15.6 Pct
West_Asian 10.6 Pct
East_Med 17.46 Pct
Red_Sea 1.62 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.57 Pct
Amerindian 0.84 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
02-08-2021, 08:26 PM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Bistrita-Nasaud

Population
North_Atlantic 25.43 Pct
Baltic 22.43 Pct
West_Med 16.63 Pct
West_Asian 4.32 Pct
East_Med 20.89 Pct
Red_Sea 4.34 Pct
South_Asian 1.17 Pct
East_Asian 1.48 Pct
Siberian 1.06 Pct
Amerindian 1.66 Pct
Oceanian 0.4 Pct
Northeast_African 0.19 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Population
North_Atlantic 24.96 Pct
Baltic 26.34 Pct
West_Med 15.6 Pct
West_Asian 10.6 Pct
East_Med 17.46 Pct
Red_Sea 1.62 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.57 Pct
Amerindian 0.84 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

First one seems mixed with Jews, but that's just a guess of mine. Need to look closer. Can you rep/PM me the kit numbers please?

From Cluj

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Kit N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

1 22.48 31.89 18.08 8.29 13.14 2.31 0 0 1.92 1.08 0 0.78 0

2 24.35 27.57 16.44 11.49 17.99 0.19 0 1.30 0 0.53 0.12 0 0

3 24.13 26.16 16.72 12.00 17.62 1.12 0.93 0.69 0.24 0 0.38 0 0

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Compared to others from Cluj

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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

25.27 29.88 15.47 6.15 19.23 0.87 0.64 0.74 0.69 0.59 0 0.47 0

26.32 28.27 14.76 6.07 20.62 1.34 1.12 0 0.79 0 0.05 0 0.67

20.78 29.81 17.69 9.93 16.36 1.09 0.08 1.55 1.64 0.29 0.79 0 0

25.12 28.04 17.72 9.07 13.24 2.87 0.74 1.01 2.00 0.19 0 0 0

27.29 20.87 15.80 10.06 18.91 3.56 0.61 0.53 0.61 0.68 1.09 0 0

22.26 27.61 17.03 8.79 19.61 0 0.93 0 2.31 0.54 0.74 0 0.18

24.11 23.90 18.08 11.10 17.10 2.41 0.10 0 1.63 0.52 1.06 0 0

23.76 23.58 17.11 11.98 19.05 0.95 0.72 0.35 2.27 0 0.23 0 0

20.35 25.48 18.73 11.63 16.45 3.22 0.75 1.37 0 0.65 0.54 0 0.84

21.45 27.57 19.48 11.83 13.43 2.19 0.66 0 2.46 0.78 0 0.09 0.06

24.75 23.75 17.97 10.90 16.33 2.79 0 1.11 1.34 1.06 0 0 0

19.95 25.72 17.82 13.17 17.72 3.54 0.29 0 0 1.02 0.70 0.07 0

23.88 24.84 17.74 12.80 17.02 1.26 0.14 0.39 0.97 0.58 0.39 0 0

24.63 24.80 18.08 12.42 15.71 3.08 0.61 0 0 0 0.34 0 0.33

26.75 25.60 15.85 10.57 16.17 2.01 0 0.73 0 1.78 0.55 0 0

25.44 25.27 14.97 10.18 13.86 2.26 3.61 0.23 2.36 0 0.88 0 0.94

22.71 27.80 19.86 9.86 14.53 0.62 1.41 0.54 1.04 1.13 0.23 0.10 0.18

21.19 26.77 18.68 9.15 19.15 1.02 1.97 0.50 0.18 1.25 0.14 0 0

22.89 26.17 17.33 11.96 16.97 2.49 0 0.71 0 1.15 0.33 0 0

23.79 26.53 15.09 11.23 18.32 2.42 0.97 0 0.57 0.60 0.45 0 0

22.32 25.69 18.71 9.56 18.03 2.19 0 0 3.20 0 0.29 0 0

25.83 26.01 17.52 7.95 19.36 0.68 0 2.21 0.15 0.24 0 0 0

27.61 28.23 15.91 5.44 16.08 3.81 0 1.54 0.99 0.39 0 0 0

28.93 23.05 17.28 7.96 17.17 2.06 1.53 1.46 0.13 0 0.40 0 0

21.75 26.50 19.81 11.69 15.46 1.12 0 0 3.00 0 0.67 0 0

18.53 29.42 18.91 15.82 14.25 0 0 0 2.27 0 0.81 0 0

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1

Spoiler!

Distance to: Cluj_1

3.83066574 Moldova_average

4.06610379 Moldova_Centre

4.17100707 Serb_north

4.27140492 Bosniak

4.59140501 Serb

4.75590160 Romania_Moldavia_North

4.87684324 Croat_South

4.91202606 Moldova_North

4.97028168 Serb_central

5.34500702 Romania_Maramures

6.71057375 Croat_East

6.91387735 Croat

6.94224027 Csángó-Ceangău

7.02569570 Moldova_South

7.08067087 Croat_West

7.40328306 Serb_south

7.44949663 Székely

7.48241939 Romania_Crisana

7.52029255 Romania_Moldavia_South

7.71589917 Romania_Transylvania

7.80259572 Romania_average

7.97628986 Hungarian_Transylvania

8.27255704 Romania_Banat

8.42372246 Hungarian_Alföld

8.42854080 Montenegrin

Distance to: Cluj_1

3.83066574 Moldova_average

4.06610379 Moldova_Centru

4.75590160 Romania_Moldova_Nord

4.91202606 Moldova_Nord

5.19080919 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

5.34500702 Romania_Maramures

6.94224027 Romania_Moldova_Csango

7.02569570 Moldova_Sud

7.44949663 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

7.48241939 Romania_Crisana

7.52029255 Romania_Moldova_Sud

7.71589917 Romania_Transilvania

7.80259572 Romania_average

7.97628986 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

8.27255704 Romania_Banat

8.92876251 Romania_Oltenia

9.35655920 Romania_Dobrogea

9.48443989 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

9.71343914 Ukrainian_Carpathian

9.75465017 Romania_Ukrainian

9.87463417 Romania_Muntenia

11.27964538 Bulgarian

13.37790342 Moldova_Gagauzia

15.54457140 Aromanian

17.12647074 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to: Cluj_1

3.28993921 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

5.12533901 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

7.00242101 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

7.14134441 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

7.15525681 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

7.18481733 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

7.23749266 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

7.53705513 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

7.60287446 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

7.62516229 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

7.66336741 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

8.09911724 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

8.13467885 Romania_Banat_Timis

8.16548223 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

8.24338523 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

8.86337972 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

10.07168308 Romania_Crisana_Arad

13.49079686 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

17.12647074 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

2

Spoiler!

Distance to: Cluj_2

3.31279338 Romania_average

3.35961307 Romania_Transylvania

3.37823919 Romania_Moldavia_South

3.55214020 Serb_south

3.72439257 Romania_Oltenia

3.78257849 Romania_Crisana

3.87245400 Romania_Banat

4.01286681 Moldova_South

4.04724598 Montenegrin

4.15849732 Bulgaria_Northwestern

4.17403881 Romania_Maramures

4.36594778 Romania_Wallachia

4.45473905 Serb

4.51553983 Romania_Dobruja

4.54650415 Bosniak_Sandzak

4.57779423 Serb_central

4.75929617 Romania_Muntenia

4.82278965 Bulgaria_Southwestern

5.39042670 Bulgaria_average

5.40478492 Romania_Moldavia_North

5.54302264 Bulgaria_Northcentral

5.56979353 Serb_north

6.09062394 Pomak_Bulgaria

6.09078813 Moldova_average

6.29472795 Bulgaria_Southcentral

Distance to: Cluj_2

3.31279338 Romania_average

3.35961307 Romania_Transilvania

3.37823919 Romania_Moldova_Sud

3.72439257 Romania_Oltenia

3.78257849 Romania_Crisana

3.87245400 Romania_Banat

4.01286681 Moldova_Sud

4.17403881 Romania_Maramures

4.51553983 Romania_Dobrogea

4.75929617 Romania_Muntenia

5.40478492 Romania_Moldova_Nord

5.47546345 Bulgarian

6.09078813 Moldova_average

6.33246398 Moldova_Centru

7.18562454 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

7.75641025 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

8.19405882 Moldova_Gagauzia

8.64493493 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

8.94825123 Romania_Moldova_Csango

9.54668005 Moldova_Nord

9.96158622 Aromanian

14.41697957 Romania_Ukrainian

14.69990816 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

14.75172532 Ukrainian_Carpathian

15.58441850 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to: Cluj_2

2.74515938 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

3.39493741 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

3.41045452 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

3.46469335 Romania_Banat_Timis

3.83185334 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

3.91090782 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

3.92700904 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

4.12618468 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

4.41208567 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

4.50248820 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

4.62783967 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

4.72592848 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

5.17664950 Romania_Crisana_Arad

5.83494644 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

5.94834431 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

8.06377703 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

10.19032384 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

10.23896479 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

15.58441850 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

3

Spoiler!

Distance to: Cluj_3

2.29392676 Romania_average

2.38679702 Romania_Oltenia

2.47028338 Romania_Transylvania

2.52126952 Romania_Moldavia_South

2.64847126 Romania_Banat

3.01683609 Montenegrin

3.03146829 Romania_Wallachia

3.26879183 Romania_Dobruja

3.29836323 Bulgaria_Southwestern

3.40073521 Moldova_South

3.42899402 Serb_south

3.43691722 Romania_Crisana

3.47050429 Romania_Muntenia

3.49193356 Bosniak_Sandzak

3.57583557 Bulgaria_Northwestern

4.08548651 Bulgaria_average

4.27617820 Romania_Maramures

4.34575655 Bulgaria_Northcentral

5.01842605 Serb

5.09186606 Bulgaria_Southcentral

5.17034815 Serb_central

5.17407963 Bulgaria_Northeastern

5.36087679 Pomak_Bulgaria

5.91450759 Romania_Moldavia_North

6.32008702 Serb_north

Distance to: Cluj_3

2.29392676 Romania_average

2.38679702 Romania_Oltenia

2.47028338 Romania_Transilvania

2.52126952 Romania_Moldova_Sud

2.64847126 Romania_Banat

3.26879183 Romania_Dobrogea

3.40073521 Moldova_Sud

3.43691722 Romania_Crisana

3.47050429 Romania_Muntenia

4.27617820 Romania_Maramures

4.42022624 Bulgarian

5.91450759 Romania_Moldova_Nord

6.72966567 Moldova_average

6.91690682 Moldova_Centru

6.91916903 Moldova_Gagauzia

7.99061324 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

8.04078354 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

8.77354546 Aromanian

8.82801223 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

9.18961914 Romania_Moldova_Csango

10.40765103 Moldova_Nord

15.36294243 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

15.49186883 Romania_Ukrainian

15.74635513 Ukrainian_Carpathian

15.78782442 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

Distance to: Cluj_3

2.18508581 Romania_Banat_Timis

2.67162872 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

2.70242484 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

2.72827785 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

2.75639257 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

2.97326420 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

3.29783262 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

3.31514706 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

3.37472962 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

4.22638143 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

4.29809260 Romania_Crisana_Arad

4.85961933 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

4.87337665 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

5.59132364 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

6.48890592 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

8.52115016 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

8.61727335 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

10.76969359 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

15.36294243 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Cluj_1
3.83066574	Moldova_average
4.06610379	Moldova_Centre
4.17100707	Serb_north
4.27140492	Bosniak
4.59140501	Serb
4.75590160	Romania_Moldavia_North
4.87684324	Croat_South
4.91202606	Moldova_North
4.97028168	Serb_central
5.34500702	Romania_Maramures
6.71057375	Croat_East
6.91387735	Croat
6.94224027	Csángó-Ceangău
7.02569570	Moldova_South
7.08067087	Croat_West
7.40328306	Serb_south
7.44949663	Székely
7.48241939	Romania_Crisana
7.52029255	Romania_Moldavia_South
7.71589917	Romania_Transylvania
7.80259572	Romania_average
7.97628986	Hungarian_Transylvania
8.27255704	Romania_Banat
8.42372246	Hungarian_Alföld
8.42854080	Montenegrin

Distance to:	Cluj_1
3.83066574	Moldova_average
4.06610379	Moldova_Centru
4.75590160	Romania_Moldova_Nord
4.91202606	Moldova_Nord
5.19080919	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
5.34500702	Romania_Maramures
6.94224027	Romania_Moldova_Csango
7.02569570	Moldova_Sud
7.44949663	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
7.48241939	Romania_Crisana
7.52029255	Romania_Moldova_Sud
7.71589917	Romania_Transilvania
7.80259572	Romania_average
7.97628986	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
8.27255704	Romania_Banat
8.92876251	Romania_Oltenia
9.35655920	Romania_Dobrogea
9.48443989	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
9.71343914	Ukrainian_Carpathian
9.75465017	Romania_Ukrainian
9.87463417	Romania_Muntenia
11.27964538	Bulgarian
13.37790342	Moldova_Gagauzia
15.54457140	Aromanian
17.12647074	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Cluj_1
3.28993921	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
5.12533901	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
7.00242101	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
7.14134441	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
7.15525681	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
7.18481733	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
7.23749266	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
7.53705513	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
7.60287446	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
7.62516229	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
7.66336741	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
8.09911724	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
8.13467885	Romania_Banat_Timis
8.16548223	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
8.24338523	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
8.86337972	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
10.07168308	Romania_Crisana_Arad
13.49079686	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
17.12647074	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Cluj_2
3.31279338	Romania_average
3.35961307	Romania_Transylvania
3.37823919	Romania_Moldavia_South
3.55214020	Serb_south
3.72439257	Romania_Oltenia
3.78257849	Romania_Crisana
3.87245400	Romania_Banat
4.01286681	Moldova_South
4.04724598	Montenegrin
4.15849732	Bulgaria_Northwestern
4.17403881	Romania_Maramures
4.36594778	Romania_Wallachia
4.45473905	Serb
4.51553983	Romania_Dobruja
4.54650415	Bosniak_Sandzak
4.57779423	Serb_central
4.75929617	Romania_Muntenia
4.82278965	Bulgaria_Southwestern
5.39042670	Bulgaria_average
5.40478492	Romania_Moldavia_North
5.54302264	Bulgaria_Northcentral
5.56979353	Serb_north
6.09062394	Pomak_Bulgaria
6.09078813	Moldova_average
6.29472795	Bulgaria_Southcentral

Distance to:	Cluj_2
3.31279338	Romania_average
3.35961307	Romania_Transilvania
3.37823919	Romania_Moldova_Sud
3.72439257	Romania_Oltenia
3.78257849	Romania_Crisana
3.87245400	Romania_Banat
4.01286681	Moldova_Sud
4.17403881	Romania_Maramures
4.51553983	Romania_Dobrogea
4.75929617	Romania_Muntenia
5.40478492	Romania_Moldova_Nord
5.47546345	Bulgarian
6.09078813	Moldova_average
6.33246398	Moldova_Centru
7.18562454	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
7.75641025	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
8.19405882	Moldova_Gagauzia
8.64493493	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
8.94825123	Romania_Moldova_Csango
9.54668005	Moldova_Nord
9.96158622	Aromanian
14.41697957	Romania_Ukrainian
14.69990816	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
14.75172532	Ukrainian_Carpathian
15.58441850	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Cluj_2
2.74515938	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
3.39493741	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
3.41045452	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
3.46469335	Romania_Banat_Timis
3.83185334	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
3.91090782	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
3.92700904	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
4.12618468	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
4.41208567	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
4.50248820	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
4.62783967	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
4.72592848	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
5.17664950	Romania_Crisana_Arad
5.83494644	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
5.94834431	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
8.06377703	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
10.19032384	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
10.23896479	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
15.58441850	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Cluj_3
2.29392676	Romania_average
2.38679702	Romania_Oltenia
2.47028338	Romania_Transylvania
2.52126952	Romania_Moldavia_South
2.64847126	Romania_Banat
3.01683609	Montenegrin
3.03146829	Romania_Wallachia
3.26879183	Romania_Dobruja
3.29836323	Bulgaria_Southwestern
3.40073521	Moldova_South
3.42899402	Serb_south
3.43691722	Romania_Crisana
3.47050429	Romania_Muntenia
3.49193356	Bosniak_Sandzak
3.57583557	Bulgaria_Northwestern
4.08548651	Bulgaria_average
4.27617820	Romania_Maramures
4.34575655	Bulgaria_Northcentral
5.01842605	Serb
5.09186606	Bulgaria_Southcentral
5.17034815	Serb_central
5.17407963	Bulgaria_Northeastern
5.36087679	Pomak_Bulgaria
5.91450759	Romania_Moldavia_North
6.32008702	Serb_north

Distance to:	Cluj_3
2.29392676	Romania_average
2.38679702	Romania_Oltenia
2.47028338	Romania_Transilvania
2.52126952	Romania_Moldova_Sud
2.64847126	Romania_Banat
3.26879183	Romania_Dobrogea
3.40073521	Moldova_Sud
3.43691722	Romania_Crisana
3.47050429	Romania_Muntenia
4.27617820	Romania_Maramures
4.42022624	Bulgarian
5.91450759	Romania_Moldova_Nord
6.72966567	Moldova_average
6.91690682	Moldova_Centru
6.91916903	Moldova_Gagauzia
7.99061324	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
8.04078354	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
8.77354546	Aromanian
8.82801223	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
9.18961914	Romania_Moldova_Csango
10.40765103	Moldova_Nord
15.36294243	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
15.49186883	Romania_Ukrainian
15.74635513	Ukrainian_Carpathian
15.78782442	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

Distance to:	Cluj_3
2.18508581	Romania_Banat_Timis
2.67162872	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
2.70242484	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
2.72827785	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
2.75639257	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
2.97326420	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
3.29783262	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
3.31514706	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
3.37472962	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
4.22638143	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
4.29809260	Romania_Crisana_Arad
4.85961933	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
4.87337665	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
5.59132364	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
6.48890592	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
8.52115016	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
8.61727335	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
10.76969359	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
15.36294243	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

From Cluj

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Kit N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

H353037 22.71 24.42 19.12 7.83 22.13 1.85 0 0 1.07 0 0.87 0 0

A338866 24.31 31.78 19.90 2.80 16.34 2.53 0.19 0 1.20 0.80 0.15 0 0

EM2016534 25.74 24.86 18.67 7.73 15.04 4.06 0 0.78 1.93 0.99 0 0 0.19

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Compared to others from Cluj

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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

25.27 29.88 15.47 6.15 19.23 0.87 0.64 0.74 0.69 0.59 0 0.47 0

26.32 28.27 14.76 6.07 20.62 1.34 1.12 0 0.79 0 0.05 0 0.67

20.78 29.81 17.69 9.93 16.36 1.09 0.08 1.55 1.64 0.29 0.79 0 0

25.12 28.04 17.72 9.07 13.24 2.87 0.74 1.01 2.00 0.19 0 0 0

27.29 20.87 15.80 10.06 18.91 3.56 0.61 0.53 0.61 0.68 1.09 0 0

22.26 27.61 17.03 8.79 19.61 0 0.93 0 2.31 0.54 0.74 0 0.18

24.11 23.90 18.08 11.10 17.10 2.41 0.10 0 1.63 0.52 1.06 0 0

23.76 23.58 17.11 11.98 19.05 0.95 0.72 0.35 2.27 0 0.23 0 0

20.35 25.48 18.73 11.63 16.45 3.22 0.75 1.37 0 0.65 0.54 0 0.84

21.45 27.57 19.48 11.83 13.43 2.19 0.66 0 2.46 0.78 0 0.09 0.06

24.75 23.75 17.97 10.90 16.33 2.79 0 1.11 1.34 1.06 0 0 0

19.95 25.72 17.82 13.17 17.72 3.54 0.29 0 0 1.02 0.70 0.07 0

23.88 24.84 17.74 12.80 17.02 1.26 0.14 0.39 0.97 0.58 0.39 0 0

24.63 24.80 18.08 12.42 15.71 3.08 0.61 0 0 0 0.34 0 0.33

26.75 25.60 15.85 10.57 16.17 2.01 0 0.73 0 1.78 0.55 0 0

25.44 25.27 14.97 10.18 13.86 2.26 3.61 0.23 2.36 0 0.88 0 0.94

22.71 27.80 19.86 9.86 14.53 0.62 1.41 0.54 1.04 1.13 0.23 0.10 0.18

21.19 26.77 18.68 9.15 19.15 1.02 1.97 0.50 0.18 1.25 0.14 0 0

22.89 26.17 17.33 11.96 16.97 2.49 0 0.71 0 1.15 0.33 0 0

23.79 26.53 15.09 11.23 18.32 2.42 0.97 0 0.57 0.60 0.45 0 0

22.32 25.69 18.71 9.56 18.03 2.19 0 0 3.20 0 0.29 0 0

25.83 26.01 17.52 7.95 19.36 0.68 0 2.21 0.15 0.24 0 0 0

27.61 28.23 15.91 5.44 16.08 3.81 0 1.54 0.99 0.39 0 0 0

28.93 23.05 17.28 7.96 17.17 2.06 1.53 1.46 0.13 0 0.40 0 0

21.75 26.50 19.81 11.69 15.46 1.12 0 0 3.00 0 0.67 0 0

18.53 29.42 18.91 15.82 14.25 0 0 0 2.27 0 0.81 0 0

22.48 31.89 18.08 8.29 13.14 2.31 0 0 1.92 1.08 0 0.78 0

24.35 27.57 16.44 11.49 17.99 0.19 0 1.30 0 0.53 0.12 0 0

24.13 26.16 16.72 12.00 17.62 1.12 0.93 0.69 0.24 0 0.38 0 0

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1

Spoiler!

Distance to: Cluj_1

3.99733661 Macedonian_North

4.38341191 Macedonian_average

4.70258440 Bulgaria_Northwestern

4.80099990 Bulgaria_Southcentral

5.03508689 Bulgaria_average

5.03953371 Macedonian_South

5.07309570 Bosniak_Sandzak

5.23013384 Serb_south

5.26457026 Bulgaria_Northcentral

5.27214378 Romania_Muntenia

5.29187112 Romania_Wallachia

5.29530924 Romania_Dobruja

5.31572196 Bulgaria_Southwestern

5.57192067 Romania_Oltenia

5.72898769 Romania_Banat

5.89462467 Montenegrin

6.07237186 Pomak_Bulgaria

6.08899006 Romania_average

6.08917072 Vlach(Aromanian)_average

6.26703279 Moldova_South

6.40153107 Romania_Transylvania

6.47183900 Romania_Moldavia_South

6.51300238 Greek_Northern-Thrace

6.66738329 Moldova_South_Gagauzia

6.88755399 Bulgaria_Northeastern

Distance to: Cluj_1

4.94753474 Bulgarian

5.27214378 Romania_Muntenia

5.29530924 Romania_Dobrogea

5.57192067 Romania_Oltenia

5.72898769 Romania_Banat

6.08899006 Romania_average

6.08917072 Aromanian

6.26703279 Moldova_Sud

6.40153107 Romania_Transilvania

6.47183900 Romania_Moldova_Sud

7.25847091 Moldova_Gagauzia

7.26678058 Romania_Crisana

8.34693956 Romania_Maramures

10.53977704 Romania_Moldova_Nord

11.07874090 Moldova_average

11.36948108 Moldova_Centru

12.23992239 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

12.26539033 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

13.09148960 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

13.89604260 Romania_Moldova_Csango

14.91685289 Moldova_Nord

17.83565250 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

19.01835166 Romania_Ukrainian

19.07553145 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

19.78906264 Ukrainian_Carpathian

Distance to: Cluj_1

5.15874016 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

5.37553718 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

5.72769587 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

5.92811100 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

6.21751558 Romania_Banat_Timis

6.36369390 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

6.39994531 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

6.55101519 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

6.78361261 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

6.80486591 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

7.18085649 Romania_Crisana_Arad

7.66570936 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

9.02838856 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

9.52186956 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

10.83482349 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

11.08126798 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

12.36039239 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

15.05101325 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

17.83565250 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

2

Spoiler!

Weird distances due to very little West Asian

Distance to: Cluj_2

7.17379955 Serb_central

7.51539087 Serb

7.51827108 Serb_north

7.78337330 Croat_South

7.97665343 Romania_Maramures

8.13051044 Bosniak

8.50588620 Romania_Moldavia_North

8.50687369 Moldova_average

8.63035341 Croat_West

8.67816225 Serb_south

8.71721859 Moldova_Centre

9.13116093 Romania_Crisana

9.22081341 Croat

9.57492037 Moldova_South

9.63319781 Székely

9.66817977 Romania_Moldavia_South

9.74553744 Croat_East

9.75189212 Romania_Transylvania

10.01964071 Montenegrin

10.05788745 Moldova_North

10.07717222 Romania_average

10.09958910 Hungarian_Transylvania

10.19376770 Bulgaria_Northwestern

10.35813690 Csángó-Ceangău

10.46001912 Hungarian_Alföld

Distance to: Cluj_2

7.97665343 Romania_Maramures

8.50588620 Romania_Moldova_Nord

8.50687369 Moldova_average

8.55524401 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

8.71721859 Moldova_Centru

9.13116093 Romania_Crisana

9.57492037 Moldova_Sud

9.63319781 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

9.66817977 Romania_Moldova_Sud

9.75189212 Romania_Transilvania

10.05788745 Moldova_Nord

10.07717222 Romania_average

10.09958910 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

10.35813690 Romania_Moldova_Csango

10.49154421 Romania_Banat

10.80035648 Romania_Oltenia

10.97294400 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

11.32395249 Romania_Ukrainian

11.40450350 Romania_Dobrogea

11.93173500 Romania_Muntenia

12.37455454 Ukrainian_Carpathian

12.99064664 Bulgarian

15.67480143 Moldova_Gagauzia

16.18746429 Aromanian

16.64347019 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to: Cluj_2

7.86432451 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

8.36171035 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

8.59367209 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

8.84355698 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

9.25966522 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

9.27309010 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

9.32090661 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

9.37260903 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

9.45104756 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

9.45179877 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

9.59511334 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

9.81978615 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

9.88460925 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

9.94306794 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

10.62592584 Romania_Banat_Timis

10.78050092 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

11.09991441 Romania_Crisana_Arad

15.55889135 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

16.64347019 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

3

Spoiler!

Distance to: Cluj_3

4.24518551 Romania_Crisana

4.27533624 Montenegrin

4.56446054 Romania_Transylvania

4.68384457 Romania_Moldavia_South

5.22155149 Bosniak_Sandzak

5.24578879 Romania_Maramures

5.29251358 Romania_average

5.46673577 Romania_Oltenia

5.66123661 Romania_Banat

5.70860754 Serb_south

5.75232996 Serb_central

5.96856767 Serb

6.11283895 Moldova_South

6.45338671 Romania_Dobruja

6.49079348 Romania_Wallachia

6.49801508 Bulgaria_Southwestern

6.61635852 Bulgaria_Northwestern

6.72395717 Székely

6.78958025 Romania_Moldavia_North

6.99605603 Romania_Muntenia

7.07448231 Serb_north

7.24122918 Hungarian_Transylvania

7.55740696 Bulgaria_average

7.82469808 Csángó-Ceangău

8.18189465 Bulgaria_Northcentral

Distance to: Cluj_3

4.24518551 Romania_Crisana

4.56446054 Romania_Transilvania

4.68384457 Romania_Moldova_Sud

5.24578879 Romania_Maramures

5.29251358 Romania_average

5.46673577 Romania_Oltenia

5.66123661 Romania_Banat

6.11283895 Moldova_Sud

6.45338671 Romania_Dobrogea

6.72395717 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

6.78958025 Romania_Moldova_Nord

6.99605603 Romania_Muntenia

7.24122918 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

7.82469808 Romania_Moldova_Csango

8.18293346 Moldova_average

8.21923354 Bulgarian

8.30875442 Moldova_Centru

8.60081973 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

10.66102716 Moldova_Gagauzia

10.86074123 Aromanian

11.32998676 Moldova_Nord

12.31247335 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

15.21340199 Romania_Ukrainian

15.43999352 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

15.61160146 Ukrainian_Carpathian

Distance to: Cluj_3

3.61970993 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

3.89271114 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

4.30394006 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

4.33860577 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

4.46152440 Romania_Crisana_Arad

4.53657360 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

4.66009657 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

4.67032119 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

4.89235117 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

5.43124295 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

5.65328223 Romania_Banat_Timis

6.07417484 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

6.17615576 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

7.02074070 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

7.14112736 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

7.97966165 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

9.44128699 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

10.60880766 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

12.31247335 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Cluj_1
3.99733661	Macedonian_North
4.38341191	Macedonian_average
4.70258440	Bulgaria_Northwestern
4.80099990	Bulgaria_Southcentral
5.03508689	Bulgaria_average
5.03953371	Macedonian_South
5.07309570	Bosniak_Sandzak
5.23013384	Serb_south
5.26457026	Bulgaria_Northcentral
5.27214378	Romania_Muntenia
5.29187112	Romania_Wallachia
5.29530924	Romania_Dobruja
5.31572196	Bulgaria_Southwestern
5.57192067	Romania_Oltenia
5.72898769	Romania_Banat
5.89462467	Montenegrin
6.07237186	Pomak_Bulgaria
6.08899006	Romania_average
6.08917072	Vlach(Aromanian)_average
6.26703279	Moldova_South
6.40153107	Romania_Transylvania
6.47183900	Romania_Moldavia_South
6.51300238	Greek_Northern-Thrace
6.66738329	Moldova_South_Gagauzia
6.88755399	Bulgaria_Northeastern

Distance to:	Cluj_1
4.94753474	Bulgarian
5.27214378	Romania_Muntenia
5.29530924	Romania_Dobrogea
5.57192067	Romania_Oltenia
5.72898769	Romania_Banat
6.08899006	Romania_average
6.08917072	Aromanian
6.26703279	Moldova_Sud
6.40153107	Romania_Transilvania
6.47183900	Romania_Moldova_Sud
7.25847091	Moldova_Gagauzia
7.26678058	Romania_Crisana
8.34693956	Romania_Maramures
10.53977704	Romania_Moldova_Nord
11.07874090	Moldova_average
11.36948108	Moldova_Centru
12.23992239	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
12.26539033	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
13.09148960	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
13.89604260	Romania_Moldova_Csango
14.91685289	Moldova_Nord
17.83565250	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
19.01835166	Romania_Ukrainian
19.07553145	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
19.78906264	Ukrainian_Carpathian

Distance to:	Cluj_1
5.15874016	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
5.37553718	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
5.72769587	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
5.92811100	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
6.21751558	Romania_Banat_Timis
6.36369390	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
6.39994531	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
6.55101519	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
6.78361261	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
6.80486591	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
7.18085649	Romania_Crisana_Arad
7.66570936	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
9.02838856	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
9.52186956	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
10.83482349	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
11.08126798	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
12.36039239	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
15.05101325	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
17.83565250	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Cluj_2
7.17379955	Serb_central
7.51539087	Serb
7.51827108	Serb_north
7.78337330	Croat_South
7.97665343	Romania_Maramures
8.13051044	Bosniak
8.50588620	Romania_Moldavia_North
8.50687369	Moldova_average
8.63035341	Croat_West
8.67816225	Serb_south
8.71721859	Moldova_Centre
9.13116093	Romania_Crisana
9.22081341	Croat
9.57492037	Moldova_South
9.63319781	Székely
9.66817977	Romania_Moldavia_South
9.74553744	Croat_East
9.75189212	Romania_Transylvania
10.01964071	Montenegrin
10.05788745	Moldova_North
10.07717222	Romania_average
10.09958910	Hungarian_Transylvania
10.19376770	Bulgaria_Northwestern
10.35813690	Csángó-Ceangău
10.46001912	Hungarian_Alföld

Distance to:	Cluj_2
7.97665343	Romania_Maramures
8.50588620	Romania_Moldova_Nord
8.50687369	Moldova_average
8.55524401	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
8.71721859	Moldova_Centru
9.13116093	Romania_Crisana
9.57492037	Moldova_Sud
9.63319781	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
9.66817977	Romania_Moldova_Sud
9.75189212	Romania_Transilvania
10.05788745	Moldova_Nord
10.07717222	Romania_average
10.09958910	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
10.35813690	Romania_Moldova_Csango
10.49154421	Romania_Banat
10.80035648	Romania_Oltenia
10.97294400	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
11.32395249	Romania_Ukrainian
11.40450350	Romania_Dobrogea
11.93173500	Romania_Muntenia
12.37455454	Ukrainian_Carpathian
12.99064664	Bulgarian
15.67480143	Moldova_Gagauzia
16.18746429	Aromanian
16.64347019	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Cluj_2
7.86432451	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
8.36171035	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
8.59367209	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
8.84355698	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
9.25966522	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
9.27309010	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
9.32090661	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
9.37260903	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
9.45104756	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
9.45179877	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
9.59511334	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
9.81978615	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
9.88460925	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
9.94306794	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
10.62592584	Romania_Banat_Timis
10.78050092	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
11.09991441	Romania_Crisana_Arad
15.55889135	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
16.64347019	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Cluj_3
4.24518551	Romania_Crisana
4.27533624	Montenegrin
4.56446054	Romania_Transylvania
4.68384457	Romania_Moldavia_South
5.22155149	Bosniak_Sandzak
5.24578879	Romania_Maramures
5.29251358	Romania_average
5.46673577	Romania_Oltenia
5.66123661	Romania_Banat
5.70860754	Serb_south
5.75232996	Serb_central
5.96856767	Serb
6.11283895	Moldova_South
6.45338671	Romania_Dobruja
6.49079348	Romania_Wallachia
6.49801508	Bulgaria_Southwestern
6.61635852	Bulgaria_Northwestern
6.72395717	Székely
6.78958025	Romania_Moldavia_North
6.99605603	Romania_Muntenia
7.07448231	Serb_north
7.24122918	Hungarian_Transylvania
7.55740696	Bulgaria_average
7.82469808	Csángó-Ceangău
8.18189465	Bulgaria_Northcentral

Distance to:	Cluj_3
4.24518551	Romania_Crisana
4.56446054	Romania_Transilvania
4.68384457	Romania_Moldova_Sud
5.24578879	Romania_Maramures
5.29251358	Romania_average
5.46673577	Romania_Oltenia
5.66123661	Romania_Banat
6.11283895	Moldova_Sud
6.45338671	Romania_Dobrogea
6.72395717	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
6.78958025	Romania_Moldova_Nord
6.99605603	Romania_Muntenia
7.24122918	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
7.82469808	Romania_Moldova_Csango
8.18293346	Moldova_average
8.21923354	Bulgarian
8.30875442	Moldova_Centru
8.60081973	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
10.66102716	Moldova_Gagauzia
10.86074123	Aromanian
11.32998676	Moldova_Nord
12.31247335	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
15.21340199	Romania_Ukrainian
15.43999352	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
15.61160146	Ukrainian_Carpathian

Distance to:	Cluj_3
3.61970993	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
3.89271114	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
4.30394006	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
4.33860577	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
4.46152440	Romania_Crisana_Arad
4.53657360	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
4.66009657	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
4.67032119	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
4.89235117	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
5.43124295	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
5.65328223	Romania_Banat_Timis
6.07417484	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
6.17615576	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
7.02074070	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
7.14112736	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
7.97966165	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
9.44128699	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
10.60880766	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
12.31247335	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

From Cluj

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Kit N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

1 26.75 25.54 17.98 8.75 16.54 1.83 0 0.22 0.93 0.96 0.48 0 0

2 28.95 23.38 16.35 9.31 17.97 0 0 0.27 1.93 0.84 1.01 0 0

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Compared to others from Cluj

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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

25.27 29.88 15.47 6.15 19.23 0.87 0.64 0.74 0.69 0.59 0 0.47 0

26.32 28.27 14.76 6.07 20.62 1.34 1.12 0 0.79 0 0.05 0 0.67

20.78 29.81 17.69 9.93 16.36 1.09 0.08 1.55 1.64 0.29 0.79 0 0

25.12 28.04 17.72 9.07 13.24 2.87 0.74 1.01 2.00 0.19 0 0 0

27.29 20.87 15.80 10.06 18.91 3.56 0.61 0.53 0.61 0.68 1.09 0 0

22.26 27.61 17.03 8.79 19.61 0 0.93 0 2.31 0.54 0.74 0 0.18

24.11 23.90 18.08 11.10 17.10 2.41 0.10 0 1.63 0.52 1.06 0 0

23.76 23.58 17.11 11.98 19.05 0.95 0.72 0.35 2.27 0 0.23 0 0

20.35 25.48 18.73 11.63 16.45 3.22 0.75 1.37 0 0.65 0.54 0 0.84

21.45 27.57 19.48 11.83 13.43 2.19 0.66 0 2.46 0.78 0 0.09 0.06

24.75 23.75 17.97 10.90 16.33 2.79 0 1.11 1.34 1.06 0 0 0

19.95 25.72 17.82 13.17 17.72 3.54 0.29 0 0 1.02 0.70 0.07 0

23.88 24.84 17.74 12.80 17.02 1.26 0.14 0.39 0.97 0.58 0.39 0 0

24.63 24.80 18.08 12.42 15.71 3.08 0.61 0 0 0 0.34 0 0.33

26.75 25.60 15.85 10.57 16.17 2.01 0 0.73 0 1.78 0.55 0 0

25.44 25.27 14.97 10.18 13.86 2.26 3.61 0.23 2.36 0 0.88 0 0.94

22.71 27.80 19.86 9.86 14.53 0.62 1.41 0.54 1.04 1.13 0.23 0.10 0.18

21.19 26.77 18.68 9.15 19.15 1.02 1.97 0.50 0.18 1.25 0.14 0 0

22.89 26.17 17.33 11.96 16.97 2.49 0 0.71 0 1.15 0.33 0 0

23.79 26.53 15.09 11.23 18.32 2.42 0.97 0 0.57 0.60 0.45 0 0

22.32 25.69 18.71 9.56 18.03 2.19 0 0 3.20 0 0.29 0 0

25.83 26.01 17.52 7.95 19.36 0.68 0 2.21 0.15 0.24 0 0 0

27.61 28.23 15.91 5.44 16.08 3.81 0 1.54 0.99 0.39 0 0 0

28.93 23.05 17.28 7.96 17.17 2.06 1.53 1.46 0.13 0 0.40 0 0

21.75 26.50 19.81 11.69 15.46 1.12 0 0 3.00 0 0.67 0 0

18.53 29.42 18.91 15.82 14.25 0 0 0 2.27 0 0.81 0 0

22.48 31.89 18.08 8.29 13.14 2.31 0 0 1.92 1.08 0 0.78 0

24.35 27.57 16.44 11.49 17.99 0.19 0 1.30 0 0.53 0.12 0 0

24.13 26.16 16.72 12.00 17.62 1.12 0.93 0.69 0.24 0 0.38 0 0

22.71 24.42 19.12 7.83 22.13 1.85 0 0 1.07 0 0.87 0 0

24.31 31.78 19.90 2.80 16.34 2.53 0.19 0 1.20 0.80 0.15 0 0

25.74 24.86 18.67 7.73 15.04 4.06 0 0.78 1.93 0.99 0 0 0.19

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1

Spoiler!

Distance to: Cluj_1

2.02960587 Romania_Crisana

2.84130252 Montenegrin

3.04052627 Romania_Transylvania

3.33953590 Romania_Moldavia_South

3.84378719 Bosniak_Sandzak

4.13018159 Romania_average

4.18029903 Romania_Oltenia

4.24754046 Romania_Maramures

4.32415310 Serb_south

4.40306711 Serb_central

4.73274762 Serb

4.75477655 Romania_Banat

5.42327392 Moldova_South

5.51511559 Bulgaria_Southwestern

5.54322109 Romania_Wallachia

5.63786307 Bulgaria_Northwestern

5.69806107 Romania_Dobruja

5.90419343 Romania_Moldavia_North

5.96614616 Székely

5.97984950 Serb_north

6.12618152 Romania_Muntenia

6.59921965 Hungarian_Transylvania

6.68878913 Bulgaria_average

7.28883393 Bulgaria_Northcentral

7.31704175 Croat_South

Distance to: Cluj_1

2.02960587 Romania_Crisana

3.04052627 Romania_Transilvania

3.33953590 Romania_Moldova_Sud

4.13018159 Romania_average

4.18029903 Romania_Oltenia

4.24754046 Romania_Maramures

4.75477655 Romania_Banat

5.42327392 Moldova_Sud

5.69806107 Romania_Dobrogea

5.90419343 Romania_Moldova_Nord

5.96614616 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

6.12618152 Romania_Muntenia

6.59921965 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

7.11045006 Bulgarian

7.53011952 Moldova_average

7.60970433 Romania_Moldova_Csango

7.65100647 Moldova_Centru

7.69562213 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

10.03818709 Moldova_Gagauzia

10.31474672 Aromanian

10.85909296 Moldova_Nord

11.73765309 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

14.78914129 Romania_Ukrainian

15.01061291 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

15.19536113 Ukrainian_Carpathian

Distance to: Cluj_1

2.12186239 Romania_Crisana_Arad

2.36266798 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

2.49455407 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

2.78217541 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

3.10741050 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

3.21819825 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

3.31707703 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

3.59345238 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

3.83794216 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

3.85992228 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

4.33819087 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

4.56036183 Romania_Banat_Timis

5.01533648 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

6.19941126 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

6.39718688 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

7.09685141 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

9.00888450 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

10.40853976 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

11.73765309 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

2

Spoiler!

Distance to: Cluj_2

5.38269449 Romania_Crisana

5.91275739 Montenegrin

6.02019103 Romania_Transylvania

6.28163991 Bosniak_Sandzak

6.29709457 Romania_Moldavia_South

6.56440401 Romania_Oltenia

6.86823849 Romania_average

7.24338319 Bulgaria_Southwestern

7.29579331 Serb_south

7.35241457 Romania_Banat

7.58324469 Romania_Wallachia

7.62411962 Székely

7.72226003 Romania_Maramures

7.81283559 Romania_Dobruja

7.83384325 Serb_central

8.01970074 Romania_Muntenia

8.15774479 Hungarian_Transylvania

8.16207082 Bulgaria_Northwestern

8.17815383 Serb

8.35613547 Bulgaria_average

8.40367777 Moldova_South

8.69229544 Macedonian_North

8.76131269 Romania_Moldavia_North

8.79598204 Bulgaria_Northeastern

8.85897285 Bulgaria_Northcentral

Distance to: Cluj_2

5.38269449 Romania_Crisana

6.02019103 Romania_Transilvania

6.29709457 Romania_Moldova_Sud

6.56440401 Romania_Oltenia

6.86823849 Romania_average

7.35241457 Romania_Banat

7.62411962 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

7.72226003 Romania_Maramures

7.81283559 Romania_Dobrogea

8.01970074 Romania_Muntenia

8.15774479 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

8.40367777 Moldova_Sud

8.52737943 Bulgarian

8.76131269 Romania_Moldova_Nord

9.61834185 Romania_Moldova_Csango

10.16100881 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

10.52560687 Moldova_Centru

10.52601539 Moldova_average

10.73857067 Aromanian

10.86103126 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

11.10939692 Moldova_Gagauzia

13.64148086 Moldova_Nord

17.13820294 Romania_Ukrainian

17.46795351 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

17.55302538 Ukrainian_Carpathian

Distance to: Cluj_2

3.48955585 Romania_Crisana_Arad

5.28515846 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

5.39369076 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

5.44447426 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

5.86330965 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

6.25080795 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

6.39187766 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

6.60736710 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

6.76726680 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

6.81759488 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

6.98006447 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

7.16850054 Romania_Banat_Timis

8.10399901 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

8.12543537 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

9.79737210 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

9.98099193 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

10.86103126 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

11.08741629 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

11.23869654 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

02-25-2021, 07:20 AM
aherne

Funny thing these oracles detect is that Hungarians from Transylvania are closer to Romanians from Transylvania than latter are to those from Oltenia. This confirms with racial anthropology but one thing that shows their overall unreliability is lack of any "evidence" for Old Magyar genes in current Hungarians. Physically many Hungarians, especially in Transylvania where this ethnic group is almost entirely Romanian+Magyar in ancestry, show obvious signs of Magyar "VUR" phenotypes (Aryo-Uralo-Turanid). Are you guys believing latter had no influence in Hungarians' ethnogenesis? This is ridiculous! I read in a demographic study a while ago (what was their impact on native population) that their influence was in a range of 10-15% following a East-West cline (East having more, of course).

Latter findings confirm with my observations of Szekelers: most look like typical Romanians (70%), but a significant minority looks a bit distinct due to Magyar influences (25%) and a small minority is unpassable except among Finno-Ugrian nations (5%)
02-25-2021, 07:23 AM
Leto

Quote:

A338866 24.31 31.78 19.90 2.80 16.34 2.53 0.19 0 1.20 0.80 0.15 0 0

An extremely low West Asian score for Romania. Like 3 times lower than average.
02-25-2021, 08:18 AM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by aherne

Funny thing these oracles detect is that Hungarians from Transylvania are closer to Romanians from Transylvania than latter are to those from Oltenia. This confirms with racial anthropology but one thing that shows their overall unreliability is lack of any "evidence" for Old Magyar genes in current Hungarians. Physically many Hungarians, especially in Transylvania where this ethnic group is almost entirely Romanian+Magyar in ancestry, show obvious signs of Magyar "VUR" phenotypes (Aryo-Uralo-Turanid). Are you guys believing latter had no influence in Hungarians' ethnogenesis? This is ridiculous! I read in a demographic study a while ago (what was their impact on native population) that their influence was in a range of 10-15% following a East-West cline (East having more, of course).

Latter findings confirm with my observations of Szekelers: most look like typical Romanians (70%), but a significant minority looks a bit distinct due to Magyar influences (25%) and a small minority is unpassable except among Finno-Ugrian nations (5%)

The vast majority of Romanians from Transylvania are closer to those from Oltenia than to local Hungarians though. That's what most of my posts in this thread show. But there are some who are closer to Hungarians of course.
02-25-2021, 09:49 AM
Scandal

Quote:

Originally Posted by aherne

Funny thing these oracles detect is that Hungarians from Transylvania are closer to Romanians from Transylvania than latter are to those from Oltenia. This confirms with racial anthropology but one thing that shows their overall unreliability is lack of any "evidence" for Old Magyar genes in current Hungarians. Physically many Hungarians, especially in Transylvania where this ethnic group is almost entirely Romanian+Magyar in ancestry, show obvious signs of Magyar "VUR" phenotypes (Aryo-Uralo-Turanid). Are you guys believing latter had no influence in Hungarians' ethnogenesis? This is ridiculous! I read in a demographic study a while ago (what was their impact on native population) that their influence was in a range of 10-15% following a East-West cline (East having more, of course).

Latter findings confirm with my observations of Szekelers: most look like typical Romanians (70%), but a significant minority looks a bit distinct due to Magyar influences (25%) and a small minority is unpassable except among Finno-Ugrian nations (5%)

Not sure what you mean but Hungarians from Romania are genetically a blend of Romanians and Hungarians from Hungary with elevated levels of Mongoloid. They have more Mongoloid than both Romanians and Hungarians from Hungary, so ethnic Hungarians from Romania have most likely more conqueror ancestry than those from Hungary (unless Turks/Tatars/Mongol rapists specifically targeted ethnic Hungarians of Transylvania, that's very unlikely).
Hungarians from Romania are more Balkan/Romanian by genetics than those from Hungary but they're still closer to Hungary_avarage than to Romania_avarage.

Hungarian_Transylvania:

Spoiler!

Distance to: Hungarian_Transylvania
1.16619038 Székely
2.24461578 Csángó-Ceangău
3.74759923 Croat_West
4.67794827 Croat_South
4.90560903 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.93330518 Croat
4.94560411 Hungarian
4.96957745 Hungarian_Alföld
5.43561404 Serb_north
5.47866772 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.71539150 Serb_central
5.91459212 Serb
6.02299759 Bosniak
6.13950324 Romania_Maramures
6.39654594 Moldova_Centre
6.49513664 Romania_Crisana
6.54796151 Croat_East
6.64836822 Croat_North
6.67627141 Moldova_average
7.38275694 Slovenian
7.72862213 Romania_Moldavia_South
7.75199974 Romania_Transylvania
7.83529195 Hungarian_Northern
7.85563492 Moldova_North
8.45031952 Montenegrin
8.63789905 Romania_average
8.89541455 Serb_south
9.33245948 Moldova_South
9.41421266 Romania_Oltenia
9.48130793 Romania_Banat
9.73655997 Austrian

Székely:

Spoiler!

Distance to: Székely
1.16619038 Hungarian_Transylvania
2.42971192 Csángó-Ceangău
3.81304340 Croat_West
4.12863173 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.34732101 Croat_South
4.80621473 Serb_north
4.94729219 Serb_central
5.12483170 Croat
5.15658802 Serb
5.33770550 Romania_Maramures
5.46614123 Hungarian_Alföld
5.56288594 Bosniak
5.62199253 Hungarian
5.71487533 Moldova_Centre
5.72424668 Romania_Crisana
5.96538347 Moldova_average
6.26325794 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.53470734 Croat_East
6.88945571 Romania_Moldavia_South
6.93075032 Romania_Transylvania
7.20763484 Croat_North
7.53728068 Moldova_North
7.70861207 Montenegrin
7.77996787 Romania_average
8.01550997 Serb_south
8.06145768 Slovenian
8.32649986 Hungarian_Northern

Csángó

Spoiler!

Distance to: Csángó-Ceangău
2.24461578 Hungarian_Transylvania
2.42971192 Székely
4.27235298 Croat_West
4.42068999 Croat_South
4.62285626 Hungarian_Alföld
4.62369982 Croat
4.63418817 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.97257479 Hungarian
5.23728938 Serb_north
5.42602986 Bosniak
5.53973826 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.70030701 Moldova_Centre
5.86060577 Croat_East
5.94303794 Serb
5.98354410 Serb_central
5.99021702 Moldova_average
6.28673206 Romania_Maramures
6.35701974 Croat_North
6.51615684 Moldova_North
7.14296157 Romania_Crisana
7.35612670 Slovenian
7.61507058 Hungarian_Northern
8.13686057 Romania_Moldavia_South
8.19842668 Romania_Transylvania
8.92576047 Romania_average
9.00263295 Montenegrin
9.33429697 Serb_south
9.37131794 Ukrainian_Carpathian

and genetics don't necessarily correlate with looks that strictly. Moldova_avarage is more like Serbia_avarage than Romania_avarage but I doubt people would say Moldovans look more like Serbs than Romanians.
02-25-2021, 10:11 AM
Scandal

Conqueror ancestry is obvious in Hungarians from Romania (in Hungarians from Hungary less so), however this isn't the only difference between them and ethnic Romanians

Target: Csángó-Ceangău
Distance: 0.6733% / 0.67331184 | R3P
55.4 Bosniak
29.0 Swiss_French
15.6 Tatar

Target: Hungarian_Transylvania
Distance: 0.2753% / 0.27529040 | R4P
71.6 Romania_Maramures
11.7 German
11.0 Orcadian
5.7 Mari

Target: Székely
Distance: 0.4574% / 0.45743904 | R3P
76.3 Romania_Crisana
15.3 Swedish
8.4 Chuvash

Ethnic Romanians also have some Mong, but less than this.

Vahaduo k13's Tatar sample is Crimean Tatar or Volga tatar?
02-25-2021, 10:42 AM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

Vahaduo k13's Tatar sample is Crimean Tatar or Volga tatar?

Volga. It's from the original spreadsheet

Tatar,18.88,34.62,5.85,11.66,3.85,0.90,2.68,3.12,15.56,2.00,0.28,0.13,0.46
02-25-2021, 10:50 AM
aherne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

Conqueror ancestry is obvious in Hungarians from Romania (in Hungarians from Hungary less so), however this isn't the only difference between them and ethnic Romanians

That's because all admixture with Bulgaro-Romanians (at that time RO/BG were one bilingual people) occurred in middle ages when Magyars settled (converting many natives to Catholicism, intermarrying and making offspring speak their language) but from that moment on it was minimal until 20th century due to cultural/religious differences. There was admixture with Germans, as well, but it kind of stopped due to religious differences after reformation (Germans becoming Lutheran, Hungarians becoming Calvinist/Catholic/Unitarian).

Physically speaking, Romanian Hungarians show more conqueror admixture than 5%, that's for sure!
02-25-2021, 11:33 AM
Scandal

Quote:

Originally Posted by aherne

That's because all admixture with Bulgaro-Romanians (at that time RO/BG were one bilingual people) occurred in middle ages when Magyars settled (converting many natives to Catholicism, intermarrying and making offspring speak their language) but from that moment on it was minimal until 20th century due to cultural/religious differences. There was admixture with Germans, as well, but it kind of stopped due to religious differences after reformation (Germans becoming Lutheran, Hungarians becoming Calvinist/Catholic/Unitarian).

Physically speaking, Romanian Hungarians show more conqueror admixture than 5%, that's for sure!

Transylvanian Saxons always had different religion than Romanians, but the Transylvanian Saxon results posted in this thread look quite mixed, they obviously have Romainan admixture. Or maybe they mixed with Hungarians? Idk, but in any case their results look mixed.

Distance to:	Cluj_1
2.02960587	Romania_Crisana
2.84130252	Montenegrin
3.04052627	Romania_Transylvania
3.33953590	Romania_Moldavia_South
3.84378719	Bosniak_Sandzak
4.13018159	Romania_average
4.18029903	Romania_Oltenia
4.24754046	Romania_Maramures
4.32415310	Serb_south
4.40306711	Serb_central
4.73274762	Serb
4.75477655	Romania_Banat
5.42327392	Moldova_South
5.51511559	Bulgaria_Southwestern
5.54322109	Romania_Wallachia
5.63786307	Bulgaria_Northwestern
5.69806107	Romania_Dobruja
5.90419343	Romania_Moldavia_North
5.96614616	Székely
5.97984950	Serb_north
6.12618152	Romania_Muntenia
6.59921965	Hungarian_Transylvania
6.68878913	Bulgaria_average
7.28883393	Bulgaria_Northcentral
7.31704175	Croat_South

Distance to:	Cluj_1
2.02960587	Romania_Crisana
3.04052627	Romania_Transilvania
3.33953590	Romania_Moldova_Sud
4.13018159	Romania_average
4.18029903	Romania_Oltenia
4.24754046	Romania_Maramures
4.75477655	Romania_Banat
5.42327392	Moldova_Sud
5.69806107	Romania_Dobrogea
5.90419343	Romania_Moldova_Nord
5.96614616	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
6.12618152	Romania_Muntenia
6.59921965	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
7.11045006	Bulgarian
7.53011952	Moldova_average
7.60970433	Romania_Moldova_Csango
7.65100647	Moldova_Centru
7.69562213	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
10.03818709	Moldova_Gagauzia
10.31474672	Aromanian
10.85909296	Moldova_Nord
11.73765309	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
14.78914129	Romania_Ukrainian
15.01061291	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
15.19536113	Ukrainian_Carpathian

Distance to:	Cluj_1
2.12186239	Romania_Crisana_Arad
2.36266798	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
2.49455407	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
2.78217541	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
3.10741050	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
3.21819825	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
3.31707703	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
3.59345238	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
3.83794216	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
3.85992228	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
4.33819087	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
4.56036183	Romania_Banat_Timis
5.01533648	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
6.19941126	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
6.39718688	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
7.09685141	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
9.00888450	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
10.40853976	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
11.73765309	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Cluj_2
5.38269449	Romania_Crisana
5.91275739	Montenegrin
6.02019103	Romania_Transylvania
6.28163991	Bosniak_Sandzak
6.29709457	Romania_Moldavia_South
6.56440401	Romania_Oltenia
6.86823849	Romania_average
7.24338319	Bulgaria_Southwestern
7.29579331	Serb_south
7.35241457	Romania_Banat
7.58324469	Romania_Wallachia
7.62411962	Székely
7.72226003	Romania_Maramures
7.81283559	Romania_Dobruja
7.83384325	Serb_central
8.01970074	Romania_Muntenia
8.15774479	Hungarian_Transylvania
8.16207082	Bulgaria_Northwestern
8.17815383	Serb
8.35613547	Bulgaria_average
8.40367777	Moldova_South
8.69229544	Macedonian_North
8.76131269	Romania_Moldavia_North
8.79598204	Bulgaria_Northeastern
8.85897285	Bulgaria_Northcentral

Distance to:	Cluj_2
5.38269449	Romania_Crisana
6.02019103	Romania_Transilvania
6.29709457	Romania_Moldova_Sud
6.56440401	Romania_Oltenia
6.86823849	Romania_average
7.35241457	Romania_Banat
7.62411962	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
7.72226003	Romania_Maramures
7.81283559	Romania_Dobrogea
8.01970074	Romania_Muntenia
8.15774479	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
8.40367777	Moldova_Sud
8.52737943	Bulgarian
8.76131269	Romania_Moldova_Nord
9.61834185	Romania_Moldova_Csango
10.16100881	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
10.52560687	Moldova_Centru
10.52601539	Moldova_average
10.73857067	Aromanian
10.86103126	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
11.10939692	Moldova_Gagauzia
13.64148086	Moldova_Nord
17.13820294	Romania_Ukrainian
17.46795351	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
17.55302538	Ukrainian_Carpathian

Distance to:	Cluj_2
3.48955585	Romania_Crisana_Arad
5.28515846	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
5.39369076	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
5.44447426	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
5.86330965	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
6.25080795	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
6.39187766	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
6.60736710	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
6.76726680	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
6.81759488	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
6.98006447	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
7.16850054	Romania_Banat_Timis
8.10399901	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
8.12543537	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
9.79737210	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
9.98099193	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
10.86103126	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon
11.08741629	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
11.23869654	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

From Arad

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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

26.63 25.74 18.92 9.34 14.96 0.74 0 0.79 1.89 0 0.98 0 0

30.66 25.21 14.99 11.44 15.27 0.76 0 0 0 1.07 0.49 0 0.11

24.75 27.09 14.27 12.86 17.37 0 2.17 0.66 0.72 0.09 0 0 0

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Compared to others from Arad

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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

27.57 24.00 19.31 7.29 17.40 0.61 0 1.27 0.75 0.26 0.98 0 0.55

23.58 25.51 17.64 8.15 19.75 2.32 0 0 1.91 1.15 0 0 0

26.05 21.87 19.47 12.26 15.09 1.59 1.71 0.30 1.26 0 0.38 0 0

28.66 23.95 15.36 6.58 16.85 3.30 3.16 1.72 0.22 0 0 0 0.19

27.74 25.83 16.89 8.16 19.04 0.77 0 0 0.71 0.86 0 0 0

25.78 22.04 16.38 13.14 18.78 2.29 0.33 0.62 0 0.51 0 0.13 0

25.18 22.55 19.19 12.33 15.99 1.52 0.06 0.53 0.1 1.27 0.63 0.65 0

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1

Spoiler!

Distance to: Arad_1

2.79588984 Romania_Crisana

3.94173820 Romania_Transylvania

4.01966417 Montenegrin

4.27509064 Romania_Moldavia_South

4.62314828 Romania_Maramures

4.78614668 Bosniak_Sandzak

4.83726162 Serb_central

4.89945915 Romania_average

4.93420713 Serb

4.97411299 Romania_Oltenia

5.43464810 Romania_Banat

5.48528942 Serb_south

5.68353763 Székely

5.95766733 Romania_Moldavia_North

5.99845814 Serb_north

6.02371978 Moldova_South

6.25456633 Hungarian_Transylvania

6.38463781 Romania_Wallachia

6.41318953 Bulgaria_Southwestern

6.45886987 Romania_Dobruja

6.72290116 Bulgaria_Northwestern

6.78961707 Csángó-Ceangău

6.99052216 Romania_Muntenia

7.23626976 Croat_South

7.49234276 Moldova_average

Distance to: Arad_1

2.79588984 Romania_Crisana

3.94173820 Romania_Transilvania

4.27509064 Romania_Moldova_Sud

4.62314828 Romania_Maramures

4.89945915 Romania_average

4.97411299 Romania_Oltenia

5.43464810 Romania_Banat

5.68353763 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

5.95766733 Romania_Moldova_Nord

6.02371978 Moldova_Sud

6.25456633 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

6.45886987 Romania_Dobrogea

6.78961707 Romania_Moldova_Csango

6.99052216 Romania_Muntenia

7.49234276 Moldova_average

7.58965085 Moldova_Centru

7.76711658 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

8.07809383 Bulgarian

10.44358176 Moldova_Nord

10.58837570 Moldova_Gagauzia

11.42952755 Aromanian

11.68644514 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

14.60857967 Romania_Ukrainian

14.80568134 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

14.83374194 Ukrainian_Carpathian

Distance to: Arad_1

1.77564073 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

3.36242472 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

3.43741182 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

3.49887125 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

3.56120766 Romania_Crisana_Arad

3.99101491 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

4.01953977 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

4.43606808 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

4.63970904 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

4.70666549 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

5.18549901 Romania_Banat_Timis

5.23359341 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

5.36279778 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

5.96183697 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

6.06839353 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

7.85275748 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

8.55125137 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

10.96152362 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

11.68644514 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

2

Spoiler!

Distance to: Arad_2

6.37301342 Székely

6.44239862 Hungarian_Transylvania

6.45052711 Romania_Crisana

7.39668845 Romania_Transylvania

7.50605089 Montenegrin

7.59724292 Romania_Moldavia_South

7.83379857 Csángó-Ceangău

7.84664259 Serb_central

7.94945281 Romania_Maramures

8.04405992 Romania_Moldavia_North

8.05645704 Serb

8.09167473 Croat_West

8.33551438 Romania_average

8.36939066 Romania_Oltenia

8.42804248 Bosniak_Sandzak

8.44429985 Serb_north

8.76736562 Croat_South

8.99283604 Serb_south

9.04030420 Romania_Banat

9.28906346 Bulgaria_Southwestern

9.53762549 Romania_Wallachia

9.74128328 Croat

9.79057200 Moldova_South

9.81281305 Romania_Dobruja

9.84000508 Moldova_Centre

Distance to: Arad_2

6.37301342 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

6.44239862 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

6.45052711 Romania_Crisana

7.39668845 Romania_Transilvania

7.59724292 Romania_Moldova_Sud

7.83379857 Romania_Moldova_Csango

7.94945281 Romania_Maramures

8.04405992 Romania_Moldova_Nord

8.33551438 Romania_average

8.36939066 Romania_Oltenia

9.00927300 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

9.04030420 Romania_Banat

9.27814098 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

9.79057200 Moldova_Sud

9.81281305 Romania_Dobrogea

9.84000508 Moldova_Centru

9.94242928 Moldova_average

10.02643007 Romania_Muntenia

10.73009320 Bulgarian

12.13675822 Moldova_Nord

13.25754879 Moldova_Gagauzia

13.72974872 Aromanian

15.40906551 Romania_Ukrainian

15.47954134 Ukrainian_Carpathian

15.89691480 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

Distance to: Arad_2

5.36258333 Romania_Crisana_Arad

5.88353635 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

6.63977409 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

6.64315437 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

6.84989781 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

6.96030172 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

7.68020833 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

7.79025032 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

8.03040472 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

8.17683924 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

8.44656735 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

8.53839563 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

8.57620545 Romania_Banat_Timis

9.13236005 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

9.15281378 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

9.16636242 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

9.27814098 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

11.36682453 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

12.28122551 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

3

Spoiler!

Distance to: Arad_3

4.91571968 Romania_Moldavia_South

4.98192734 Romania_average

5.02382325 Romania_Transylvania

5.38927639 Romania_Crisana

5.43596358 Romania_Banat

5.45146769 Romania_Oltenia

5.57142711 Romania_Maramures

5.65470600 Moldova_South

5.77833021 Romania_Wallachia

5.79448876 Serb_south

5.94145605 Romania_Dobruja

5.94873096 Montenegrin

5.95462006 Romania_Moldavia_North

6.04272290 Serb

6.04976859 Romania_Muntenia

6.11610170 Bulgaria_Southwestern

6.17247924 Bulgaria_Northwestern

6.20744714 Serb_central

6.61187568 Bosniak_Sandzak

6.63551807 Bulgaria_Northcentral

6.67572468 Moldova_Centre

6.68624708 Moldova_average

6.68681539 Bulgaria_average

6.77619362 Serb_north

7.32114745 Bulgaria_Northeastern

Distance to: Arad_3

4.91571968 Romania_Moldova_Sud

4.98192734 Romania_average

5.02382325 Romania_Transilvania

5.38927639 Romania_Crisana

5.43596358 Romania_Banat

5.45146769 Romania_Oltenia

5.57142711 Romania_Maramures

5.65470600 Moldova_Sud

5.94145605 Romania_Dobrogea

5.95462006 Romania_Moldova_Nord

6.04976859 Romania_Muntenia

6.67572468 Moldova_Centru

6.68624708 Moldova_average

6.96286579 Bulgarian

7.44901336 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

7.79876272 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

8.54491077 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

8.86909240 Moldova_Gagauzia

8.89744907 Romania_Moldova_Csango

9.84416071 Moldova_Nord

11.07322898 Aromanian

14.69080325 Romania_Ukrainian

14.83197222 Ukrainian_Carpathian

15.08336501 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

15.76530050 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to: Arad_3

4.77280840 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

4.96888317 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

5.02902575 Romania_Banat_Timis

5.25458847 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

5.26000000 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

5.29565860 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

5.38843205 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

5.61345705 Romania_Crisana_Arad

5.74566793 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

5.80587633 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

5.96766286 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

6.64927816 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

6.79767607 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

6.98521295 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

7.17721394 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

8.41912703 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

8.48952884 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

10.40270157 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

15.76530050 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Arad_1
2.79588984	Romania_Crisana
3.94173820	Romania_Transylvania
4.01966417	Montenegrin
4.27509064	Romania_Moldavia_South
4.62314828	Romania_Maramures
4.78614668	Bosniak_Sandzak
4.83726162	Serb_central
4.89945915	Romania_average
4.93420713	Serb
4.97411299	Romania_Oltenia
5.43464810	Romania_Banat
5.48528942	Serb_south
5.68353763	Székely
5.95766733	Romania_Moldavia_North
5.99845814	Serb_north
6.02371978	Moldova_South
6.25456633	Hungarian_Transylvania
6.38463781	Romania_Wallachia
6.41318953	Bulgaria_Southwestern
6.45886987	Romania_Dobruja
6.72290116	Bulgaria_Northwestern
6.78961707	Csángó-Ceangău
6.99052216	Romania_Muntenia
7.23626976	Croat_South
7.49234276	Moldova_average

Distance to:	Arad_1
2.79588984	Romania_Crisana
3.94173820	Romania_Transilvania
4.27509064	Romania_Moldova_Sud
4.62314828	Romania_Maramures
4.89945915	Romania_average
4.97411299	Romania_Oltenia
5.43464810	Romania_Banat
5.68353763	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
5.95766733	Romania_Moldova_Nord
6.02371978	Moldova_Sud
6.25456633	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
6.45886987	Romania_Dobrogea
6.78961707	Romania_Moldova_Csango
6.99052216	Romania_Muntenia
7.49234276	Moldova_average
7.58965085	Moldova_Centru
7.76711658	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
8.07809383	Bulgarian
10.44358176	Moldova_Nord
10.58837570	Moldova_Gagauzia
11.42952755	Aromanian
11.68644514	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
14.60857967	Romania_Ukrainian
14.80568134	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
14.83374194	Ukrainian_Carpathian

Distance to:	Arad_1
1.77564073	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
3.36242472	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
3.43741182	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
3.49887125	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
3.56120766	Romania_Crisana_Arad
3.99101491	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
4.01953977	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
4.43606808	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
4.63970904	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
4.70666549	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
5.18549901	Romania_Banat_Timis
5.23359341	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
5.36279778	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
5.96183697	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
6.06839353	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
7.85275748	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
8.55125137	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
10.96152362	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
11.68644514	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Arad_2
6.37301342	Székely
6.44239862	Hungarian_Transylvania
6.45052711	Romania_Crisana
7.39668845	Romania_Transylvania
7.50605089	Montenegrin
7.59724292	Romania_Moldavia_South
7.83379857	Csángó-Ceangău
7.84664259	Serb_central
7.94945281	Romania_Maramures
8.04405992	Romania_Moldavia_North
8.05645704	Serb
8.09167473	Croat_West
8.33551438	Romania_average
8.36939066	Romania_Oltenia
8.42804248	Bosniak_Sandzak
8.44429985	Serb_north
8.76736562	Croat_South
8.99283604	Serb_south
9.04030420	Romania_Banat
9.28906346	Bulgaria_Southwestern
9.53762549	Romania_Wallachia
9.74128328	Croat
9.79057200	Moldova_South
9.81281305	Romania_Dobruja
9.84000508	Moldova_Centre

Distance to:	Arad_2
6.37301342	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
6.44239862	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
6.45052711	Romania_Crisana
7.39668845	Romania_Transilvania
7.59724292	Romania_Moldova_Sud
7.83379857	Romania_Moldova_Csango
7.94945281	Romania_Maramures
8.04405992	Romania_Moldova_Nord
8.33551438	Romania_average
8.36939066	Romania_Oltenia
9.00927300	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
9.04030420	Romania_Banat
9.27814098	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
9.79057200	Moldova_Sud
9.81281305	Romania_Dobrogea
9.84000508	Moldova_Centru
9.94242928	Moldova_average
10.02643007	Romania_Muntenia
10.73009320	Bulgarian
12.13675822	Moldova_Nord
13.25754879	Moldova_Gagauzia
13.72974872	Aromanian
15.40906551	Romania_Ukrainian
15.47954134	Ukrainian_Carpathian
15.89691480	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

Distance to:	Arad_2
5.36258333	Romania_Crisana_Arad
5.88353635	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
6.63977409	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
6.64315437	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
6.84989781	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
6.96030172	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
7.68020833	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
7.79025032	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
8.03040472	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
8.17683924	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
8.44656735	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
8.53839563	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
8.57620545	Romania_Banat_Timis
9.13236005	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
9.15281378	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
9.16636242	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
9.27814098	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon
11.36682453	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
12.28122551	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

Distance to:	Arad_3
4.91571968	Romania_Moldavia_South
4.98192734	Romania_average
5.02382325	Romania_Transylvania
5.38927639	Romania_Crisana
5.43596358	Romania_Banat
5.45146769	Romania_Oltenia
5.57142711	Romania_Maramures
5.65470600	Moldova_South
5.77833021	Romania_Wallachia
5.79448876	Serb_south
5.94145605	Romania_Dobruja
5.94873096	Montenegrin
5.95462006	Romania_Moldavia_North
6.04272290	Serb
6.04976859	Romania_Muntenia
6.11610170	Bulgaria_Southwestern
6.17247924	Bulgaria_Northwestern
6.20744714	Serb_central
6.61187568	Bosniak_Sandzak
6.63551807	Bulgaria_Northcentral
6.67572468	Moldova_Centre
6.68624708	Moldova_average
6.68681539	Bulgaria_average
6.77619362	Serb_north
7.32114745	Bulgaria_Northeastern

Distance to:	Arad_3
4.91571968	Romania_Moldova_Sud
4.98192734	Romania_average
5.02382325	Romania_Transilvania
5.38927639	Romania_Crisana
5.43596358	Romania_Banat
5.45146769	Romania_Oltenia
5.57142711	Romania_Maramures
5.65470600	Moldova_Sud
5.94145605	Romania_Dobrogea
5.95462006	Romania_Moldova_Nord
6.04976859	Romania_Muntenia
6.67572468	Moldova_Centru
6.68624708	Moldova_average
6.96286579	Bulgarian
7.44901336	Romania_Suceava_Botosani
7.79876272	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
8.54491077	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
8.86909240	Moldova_Gagauzia
8.89744907	Romania_Moldova_Csango
9.84416071	Moldova_Nord
11.07322898	Aromanian
14.69080325	Romania_Ukrainian
14.83197222	Ukrainian_Carpathian
15.08336501	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
15.76530050	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Arad_3
4.77280840	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
4.96888317	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
5.02902575	Romania_Banat_Timis
5.25458847	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
5.26000000	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
5.29565860	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
5.38843205	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
5.61345705	Romania_Crisana_Arad
5.74566793	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
5.80587633	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
5.96766286	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
6.64927816	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
6.79767607	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
6.98521295	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
7.17721394	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
8.41912703	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
8.48952884	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
10.40270157	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
15.76530050	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

From Bihor

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Kit N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

1 22.65 27.34 19.48 11.03 16.76 0.61 0.60 0 0 1.11 0.42 0 0

2 24.71 28.77 16.70 8.87 16.46 0.57 0 0.23 0.90 1.57 0.82 0.36 0

3 25.94 31.05 17.20 7.15 14.23 0.59 2.13 0 0.90 0.62 0.18 0 0

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Compared to others from Bihor

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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

21.25 28.53 20.32 8.83 17.68 0 0 2.03 1.24 0.06 0 0 0

24.53 25.10 18.74 10.33 17.26 1.30 0 0.91 1.60 0 0.16 0 0.08

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1/4 Roma
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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

28.93 22.95 16.48 8.26 18.21 0 5.05 0 0.07 0 0 0.06 0

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1

Spoiler!

Distance to: Bihor_1

3.20132785 Moldova_South

3.35126842 Romania_average

3.35393798 Romania_Banat

3.54286607 Romania_Oltenia

3.58778483 Romania_Transylvania

3.59684584 Serb_south

3.69056906 Romania_Moldavia_South

3.78627786 Bosniak_Sandzak

3.85016883 Montenegrin

3.92276688 Bulgaria_Northwestern

4.11724422 Romania_Wallachia

4.14319925 Romania_Crisana

4.24390151 Romania_Dobruja

4.42090488 Romania_Maramures

4.49716577 Romania_Muntenia

4.61799740 Serb

4.64550320 Bulgaria_Southwestern

4.94851493 Serb_central

5.11262164 Bulgaria_average

5.42246254 Bulgaria_Northcentral

5.79093257 Pomak_Bulgaria

5.93117189 Bulgaria_Southcentral

5.99731607 Serb_north

6.32404143 Romania_Moldavia_North

6.58195260 Moldova_average

Distance to: Bihor_1

3.20132785 Moldova_Sud

3.35126842 Romania_average

3.35393798 Romania_Banat

3.54286607 Romania_Oltenia

3.58778483 Romania_Transilvania

3.69056906 Romania_Moldova_Sud

4.14319925 Romania_Crisana

4.24390151 Romania_Dobrogea

4.42090488 Romania_Maramures

4.49716577 Romania_Muntenia

5.37751801 Bulgarian

6.32404143 Romania_Moldova_Nord

6.58195260 Moldova_average

6.92064303 Moldova_Centru

7.62687354 Moldova_Gagauzia

8.36429316 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

8.91992713 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

9.61687059 Romania_Moldova_Csango

9.65155428 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

9.65372467 Aromanian

9.99402321 Moldova_Nord

15.23437888 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

15.24641269 Romania_Ukrainian

15.38949642 Ukrainian_Carpathian

16.39673443 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to: Bihor_1

2.94947453 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

3.13325709 Romania_Banat_Timis

3.39399470 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

3.51197950 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

3.55340682 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

3.62179514 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

3.75417101 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

3.99268080 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

4.27705506 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

4.57612281 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

4.92909728 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

5.24558862 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

5.46887557 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

5.71152344 Romania_Crisana_Arad

5.97478033 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

9.12170488 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

10.16198307 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

10.82578404 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

16.39673443 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

2

Spoiler!

Distance to: Bihor_2

2.04963411 Serb_central

2.14366509 Serb

2.54609505 Romania_Maramures

3.17326330 Serb_north

3.25538016 Romania_Crisana

3.30616092 Romania_Moldavia_North

3.60722885 Romania_Moldavia_South

3.62931123 Serb_south

3.71717635 Romania_Transylvania

4.15191522 Romania_average

4.25312826 Moldova_average

4.36186887 Moldova_South

4.45056176 Moldova_Centre

4.61181092 Montenegrin

4.87591017 Croat_South

4.96466514 Romania_Banat

5.09014735 Bosniak

5.12016601 Romania_Oltenia

5.25616781 Bulgaria_Northwestern

5.59840156 Székely

5.61991993 Bosniak_Sandzak

6.00162478 Romania_Wallachia

6.05459330 Romania_Dobruja

6.26383269 Croat_West

6.47321404 Romania_Muntenia

Distance to: Bihor_2

2.54609505 Romania_Maramures

3.25538016 Romania_Crisana

3.30616092 Romania_Moldova_Nord

3.60722885 Romania_Moldova_Sud

3.71717635 Romania_Transilvania

4.15191522 Romania_average

4.25312826 Moldova_average

4.36186887 Moldova_Sud

4.45056176 Moldova_Centru

4.85390564 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

4.96466514 Romania_Banat

5.12016601 Romania_Oltenia

5.59840156 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

6.05459330 Romania_Dobrogea

6.47321404 Romania_Muntenia

6.48327849 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

6.79677865 Romania_Moldova_Csango

7.62101699 Moldova_Nord

7.65014379 Bulgarian

10.48842219 Moldova_Gagauzia

11.94808771 Aromanian

12.00538629 Romania_Ukrainian

12.10220228 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

12.37251793 Ukrainian_Carpathian

14.53084650 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to: Bihor_2

2.35304059 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

2.68588905 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

3.35673949 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

3.40972140 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

3.58549857 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

3.75315867 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

4.03486059 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

4.06187149 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

4.45097742 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

4.45356037 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

4.56620192 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

4.69253663 Romania_Banat_Timis

4.78125507 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

4.96679977 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

5.30636410 Romania_Crisana_Arad

5.57062833 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

7.70450518 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

10.91633180 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

14.53084650 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

3

Spoiler!

Distance to: Bihor_3

2.83608886 Croat_South

2.95220257 Serb_north

3.44657801 Serb_central

3.62808489 Serb

3.63085389 Bosniak

3.79728851 Romania_Moldavia_North

3.92536622 Croat_West

4.37744218 Moldova_Centre

4.43110596 Romania_Maramures

4.43468150 Moldova_average

4.74799958 Croat

4.79495568 Székely

5.20678404 Hungarian_Transylvania

5.36551023 Csángó-Ceangău

5.67226586 Croat_East

5.90074572 Romania_Crisana

6.15093489 Moldova_North

6.19276190 Hungarian_Alföld

6.91103465 Romania_Moldavia_South

6.93351282 Hungarian

6.98983548 Serb_south

7.00484832 Romania_Transylvania

7.48796368 Croat_North

7.51438620 Moldova_South

7.57848930 Romania_average

Distance to: Bihor_3

3.72664729 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

3.79728851 Romania_Moldova_Nord

4.37744218 Moldova_Centru

4.43110596 Romania_Maramures

4.43468150 Moldova_average

4.79495568 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

5.20678404 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

5.36551023 Romania_Moldova_Csango

5.90074572 Romania_Crisana

6.15093489 Moldova_Nord

6.91103465 Romania_Moldova_Sud

7.00484832 Romania_Transilvania

7.51438620 Moldova_Sud

7.57848930 Romania_average

8.29110367 Romania_Banat

8.50970035 Romania_Oltenia

8.90276362 Romania_Ukrainian

8.90915260 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

9.35593395 Ukrainian_Carpathian

9.53694920 Romania_Dobrogea

10.06391574 Romania_Muntenia

11.43610073 Bulgarian

13.85234998 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

14.07105184 Moldova_Gagauzia

15.55504098 Aromanian

Distance to: Bihor_3

3.59965276 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

3.88696540 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

4.19735631 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

4.78229025 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

5.04837598 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

5.81555672 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

6.57756794 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

6.71664351 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

6.80380041 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

7.04521824 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

7.05135448 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

7.36842588 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

7.91338739 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

7.98301322 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

8.05641359 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

8.06316315 Romania_Crisana_Arad

8.08822601 Romania_Banat_Timis

12.32304346 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

13.85234998 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

From Bihor

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Kit N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

1 18.57 29.51 18.98 9.71 20.43 0.41 0 0 0.71 1.22 0.39 0 0.09

2 30.10 27.60 15.66 7.82 12.16 2.43 1.36 0 1.78 0.68 0.29 0 0.12

3 28.28 25.17 15.11 10.73 14.95 2.47 0 0.22 1.86 0.79 0 0 0.36

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Compared to others from Bihor

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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

21.25 28.53 20.32 8.83 17.68 0 0 2.03 1.24 0.06 0 0 0

24.53 25.10 18.74 10.33 17.26 1.30 0 0.91 1.60 0 0.16 0 0.08

22.65 27.34 19.48 11.03 16.76 0.61 0.60 0 0 1.11 0.42 0 0

24.71 28.77 16.70 8.87 16.46 0.57 0 0.23 0.90 1.57 0.82 0.36 0

25.94 31.05 17.20 7.15 14.23 0.59 2.13 0 0.90 0.62 0.18 0 0

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1

Spoiler!

Distance to: Bihor_1

5.62769047 Bulgaria_Northwestern

5.70011403 Pomak_Bulgaria

5.86127119 Moldova_South

6.17889149 Serb_south

6.40866601 Pomak_Greece

6.75002963 Bulgaria_Northcentral

6.80710658 Romania_Dobruja

6.81044051 Romania_Muntenia

6.84840857 Romania_Banat

6.94280203 Romania_Wallachia

7.08946401 Bulgaria_average

7.11912916 Bulgaria_Southcentral

7.14607585 Romania_average

7.54997351 Romania_Oltenia

7.76671745 Bulgaria_Southwestern

7.79467126 Romania_Moldavia_South

7.87715685 Moldova_South_Gagauzia

7.94014483 Bosniak_Sandzak

7.95185513 Romania_Transylvania

8.22397714 Romania_Maramures

8.27107006 Montenegrin

8.29301513 Serb

8.42505786 Greek_Northern-Thrace

8.50702063 Serb_central

8.71908826 Macedonian_North

Distance to: Bihor_1

5.86127119 Moldova_Sud

6.80710658 Romania_Dobrogea

6.81044051 Romania_Muntenia

6.84840857 Romania_Banat

7.00487687 Bulgarian

7.14607585 Romania_average

7.54997351 Romania_Oltenia

7.79467126 Romania_Moldova_Sud

7.95185513 Romania_Transilvania

8.22397714 Romania_Maramures

8.35515410 Moldova_Gagauzia

8.79204754 Moldova_average

8.93737657 Romania_Crisana

9.21168280 Moldova_Centru

9.60787698 Romania_Moldova_Nord

10.41540206 Aromanian

10.95178524 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

11.80621447 Moldova_Nord

13.02217724 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

13.80733139 Romania_Moldova_Csango

13.94346083 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

16.42867919 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

16.64870265 Romania_Ukrainian

17.09740331 Ukrainian_Carpathian

21.56921185 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to: Bihor_1

3.79482542 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

6.44230549 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

7.10902947 Romania_Banat_Timis

7.22721246 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

7.22960580 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

7.55096020 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

7.94986792 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

8.11035141 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

8.25520442 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

8.93267037 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

9.00194423 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

9.17689490 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

9.30231692 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

10.42957813 Romania_Crisana_Arad

10.94776690 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

12.58210237 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

13.02196990 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

14.56832180 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

21.56921185 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

2

Spoiler!

Distance to: Bihor_2

2.12393503 Hungarian_Transylvania

2.95115232 Székely

3.91129135 Csángó-Ceangău

4.89440497 Croat_West

5.68013204 Hungarian

5.94737757 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest

6.02518050 Hungarian_Alföld

6.13419106 Croat_South

6.21148935 Croat

6.44697604 Romania_Moldavia_North

6.76836760 Serb_central

6.79589582 Serb_north

7.01269563 Romania_Crisana

7.05656432 Serb

7.14364053 Romania_Maramures

7.45300610 Croat_North

7.59918417 Bosniak

7.85624592 Slovenian

8.05952232 Moldova_Centre

8.06231356 Croat_East

8.29671622 Moldova_average

8.34211004 Romania_Transylvania

8.38396684 Romania_Moldavia_South

8.73486691 Hungarian_Northern

8.76083900 Austrian

Distance to: Bihor_2

2.12393503 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

2.95115232 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

3.91129135 Romania_Moldova_Csango

6.44697604 Romania_Moldova_Nord

6.64558500 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

7.01269563 Romania_Crisana

7.14364053 Romania_Maramures

8.05952232 Moldova_Centru

8.29671622 Moldova_average

8.34211004 Romania_Transilvania

8.38396684 Romania_Moldova_Sud

8.66595061 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

9.33915414 Romania_average

9.60451456 Moldova_Nord

9.91977318 Romania_Oltenia

10.12913126 Romania_Banat

10.20711027 Moldova_Sud

11.25502999 Romania_Dobrogea

11.59871976 Romania_Ukrainian

11.72910056 Ukrainian_Carpathian

11.75160840 Romania_Muntenia

12.02940979 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

13.08939647 Bulgarian

15.68031887 Moldova_Gagauzia

16.45222781 Aromanian

Distance to: Bihor_2

3.04359984 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

4.67711450 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

5.16747521 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

6.66877800 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

7.01613141 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

7.30992476 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

7.46446247 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

7.54831769 Romania_Crisana_Arad

8.17286975 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

8.24519254 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

8.42265991 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

8.45624030 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

8.66595061 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

9.28930568 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

9.47591157 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

9.54431768 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

9.81049948 Romania_Banat_Timis

11.79660544 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

12.89262968 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

3

Spoiler!

Distance to: Bihor_3

4.72229817 Romania_Crisana

4.94872711 Székely

5.30032075 Romania_Transylvania

5.33643139 Hungarian_Transylvania

5.40247166 Romania_Moldavia_South

5.52991863 Montenegrin

5.94217132 Romania_Maramures

6.16237779 Romania_Moldavia_North

6.18216790 Romania_average

6.21203670 Serb_central

6.36528868 Serb

6.38883401 Csángó-Ceangău

6.48963019 Romania_Oltenia

6.79905140 Bosniak_Sandzak

6.87293969 Romania_Banat

6.99761388 Serb_north

7.05857634 Serb_south

7.39354448 Bulgaria_Southwestern

7.52742320 Romania_Wallachia

7.53465991 Moldova_South

7.62320143 Croat_West

7.67058668 Romania_Dobruja

7.70083762 Croat_South

7.94896849 Moldova_Centre

8.00838935 Romania_Muntenia

Distance to: Bihor_3

4.72229817 Romania_Crisana

4.94872711 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

5.30032075 Romania_Transilvania

5.33643139 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

5.40247166 Romania_Moldova_Sud

5.94217132 Romania_Maramures

6.16237779 Romania_Moldova_Nord

6.18216790 Romania_average

6.38883401 Romania_Moldova_Csango

6.48963019 Romania_Oltenia

6.87293969 Romania_Banat

7.53465991 Moldova_Sud

7.56137554 Romania_Suceava_Botosani

7.67058668 Romania_Dobrogea

7.94896849 Moldova_Centru

8.00838935 Romania_Muntenia

8.04034203 Moldova_average

9.08406847 Bulgarian

10.68241078 Moldova_Nord

10.75527313 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

11.50479031 Moldova_Gagauzia

12.26091351 Aromanian

14.65622393 Romania_Ukrainian

14.74057665 Ukrainian_Carpathian

15.08893303 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

Distance to: Bihor_3

3.96025252 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

3.98194676 Romania_Crisana_Arad

4.22966902 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

4.45304390 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov

5.25914442 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

5.54914408 Romania_Crisana_Bihor

5.63971630 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

5.72677047 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler

5.89599864 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

6.03428538 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

6.33040283 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

6.49420511 Romania_Banat_Timis

6.60137107 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

6.83641719 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare

7.55060262 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

8.39092367 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian

9.39596190 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna

10.59498466 Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

10.75527313 Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

02-25-2021, 02:17 PM
ixulescu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

Hungarians from Romania are more Balkan/Romanian by genetics than those from Hungary but they're still closer to Hungary_avarage than to Romania_avarage.

You're making an inappropriate comparison and draw an incorrect conclusion.

Romania is a big country, what's the point of comparing Transylvanian Hungarians with Romanian average? Transylvanian Hungarians are closer to Northern Moldovans (from Romania, not RM) than to Hungarian average. This make perfect sense from a historical standpoint, because Transylvanian Hungarians are from Northern Transylvania (former Maramures principality), which is the province that colonized Moldova.
02-26-2021, 10:53 AM
aherne

Quote:

Originally Posted by ixulescu

Romania is a big country, what's the point of comparing Transylvanian Hungarians with Romanian average? Transylvanian Hungarians are closer to Northern Moldovans (from Romania, not RM) than to Hungarian average. This make perfect sense from a historical standpoint, because Transylvanian Hungarians are from Northern Transylvania (former Maramures principality), which is the province that colonized Moldova.

These oracles are pure bullshit:) IDK why you guys bother with them: until they start to align with historical evidence, no time should be wasted on them
02-26-2021, 11:53 AM
Scandal

Quote:

Originally Posted by aherne

These oracles are pure bullshit:) IDK why you guys bother with them: until they start to align with historical evidence, no time should be wasted on them

What's bullshit about them? How are they not aligned with historical evidences? What is it that you don't believe? You really think Transylvanian Germans didn't mix with anyone at all in Romania, even though they have been there for 800 years? Even White South Africans have mixed blacks and coloreds in south africa, dna tests show that.
Or you don't believe Hungarians are not same as Romanians in Transylvania? They're similar, just not 100% the same.
02-26-2021, 01:31 PM
aherne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

What's bullshit about them? How are they not aligned with historical evidences?

I used Hungarians' case to prove my point: Magyar ancestry is minimized to oblivion by these oracles, but racial evidence shows it significant enough as we go east (Hungarians from Transylvania, Szekelers in particular, have more individuals looking Magyar than those living in Slovakia for example). This aligns with EAST-WEST move of Magyars from Southern Bessarabia to Pannonian Plains

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

You really think Transylvanian Germans didn't mix with anyone at all in Romania, even though they have been there for 800 years?

Never claimed that... I claimed that Hungarians from Transylvania didn't mix that much with Germans due to religious as well as cultural reasons (Germans being concentrated in their own areas that were generally free of Hungarians)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

Or you don't believe Hungarians are not same as Romanians in Transylvania? They're similar, just not 100% the same.

I fully agree. Of course they are not the same: occasional presence of Magyar look makes them different. Lack of admixture throughout last millennia (until WW1) also made them a bit different. But the basis remains the same: that's my whole point...
02-26-2021, 01:40 PM
ixulescu

Quote:

Originally Posted by aherne

These oracles are pure bullshit:) IDK why you guys bother with them: until they start to align with historical evidence, no time should be wasted on them

While the reference populations are trash, the relative distances are real. Just that people should understand that ranking based on small distances can completely change with different sampling.
02-26-2021, 02:45 PM
Scandal

Quote:

Originally Posted by aherne

I used Hungarians' case to prove my point: Magyar ancestry is minimized to oblivion by these oracles, but racial evidence shows it significant enough as we go east (Hungarians from Transylvania, Szekelers in particular, have more individuals looking Magyar than those living in Slovakia for example). This aligns with EAST-WEST move of Magyars from Southern Bessarabia to Pannonian Plains

Never claimed that... I claimed that Hungarians from Transylvania didn't mix that much with Germans due to religious as well as cultural reasons (Germans being concentrated in their own areas that were generally free of Hungarians)

I fully agree. Of course they are not the same: occasional presence of Magyar look makes them different. Lack of admixture throughout last millennia (until WW1) also made them a bit different. But the basis remains the same: that's my whole point...

Phenotypes can be a bit random. Often minimal amount of mongoloid can greatly influence someone's look. It could be that European genes are recessive when mixed with Asians or Blacks. Chris the hungarian user (now inactive) is 98% European and 2% Asian on DNA tests but looks like he's 15-20% Mongoloid. I remember his first classification thread here, a user from Russia said Chris looks like a Volga Tatar, I agree with that. Btw he's half Székely, the other half is from southeast Hungary.

I don't think dna tests underestimate the Mongoloid in Hungarians. Some hungarians' appearance look turanid influenced, but you also find hungarians that don't show any turanid at all.

Quote:

I fully agree. Of course they are not the same: occasional presence of Magyar look makes them different. Lack of admixture throughout last millennia (until WW1) also made them a bit different. But the basis remains the same: that's my whole point...

Both Hungarians and Romanians are genetically similar to their neighbors, like every other European ethnicity.
02-26-2021, 08:59 PM
aherne

Quote:

Originally Posted by ixulescu

While the reference populations are trash, the relative distances are real.

I love science and I try to apply a scientific method in this area as well. One of the main qualities of science is ability of truth to be replicable by experiment. That means if I'm measuring distances between European groups same values should effect if you were to measure as well. This is obviously not the case: each of these oracles (like horoscopes) give conflicting results, not to mention some that conflict with history (a notorious example being Basque's "Steppe" paternal ancestry). History teaches us:

- how did people look like in the past (via archaeology or contemporary evidence) in terms of measurements and, disputably, pigmentation
- what were the main population movements (using same evidence)

Genetic evidence, if valuable, would help us clear the haze where standard methods cannot apply. So far it seems it's only effective in tracing racial groups but even there results aren't independently replicable: if you're mixed race and give your sample to another company somewhat different results will emerge.
02-27-2021, 10:01 AM
Scandal

Quote:

Originally Posted by aherne

I love science and I try to apply a scientific method in this area as well. One of the main qualities of science is ability of truth to be replicable by experiment. That means if I'm measuring distances between European groups same values should effect if you were to measure as well. This is obviously not the case: each of these oracles (like horoscopes) give conflicting results, not to mention some that conflict with history (a notorious example being Basque's "Steppe" paternal ancestry). History teaches us:

- how did people look like in the past (via archaeology or contemporary evidence) in terms of measurements and, disputably, pigmentation
- what were the main population movements (using same evidence)

1) Basques being R1b has nothing to with oracles because these calculators don't deal with haplogroups. Yes, they're R1b and R1a, I don't think that's something disputable. Also, that's just a haplogroup. Autosomally Basques do show more indigeneous european admixture (more whg) than do Spaniards, even if the Basques tested are probably mixed with Spaniards.
2) There are different oracles, some more accurate than others. There are calculators that aren't for Europeans at all, while others - like Eurogenes k13 and k15 - are designed specifically for European populations. Ideally we shouldn't take a single calculator and not consider anything else, a better approach is to look at the general picture based on the different calculators. What most people do on this forum is act like k13 is the only calculator out there and neglect others, I don't agree with that policy.
3) I think the reason you're skeptical of dna tests is because you did it yourself and it shows you're mostly Romanian by ancestry. But that doesn't mean they're inaccurate. Even on this thread there were multiple "Transylvanian saxon" results posted, most were very obviously mixed, some individuals were like 70% Romanian+30% German, or even 80+20 IIRC. I remember you have also Czech and Greek ancestry besides Romanian and German, so your paper trail German ancestry is less than 50%. The German ancestry you have was most likely Romanian admixed too, so your own result ended up being western shifted Romanian. Maybe on k15 you could show a little more German influence, because my own result looks more NW euro on k15 and as I said previously, I don't like how people here only care about k13 and pretend other calcs don't exist.

Quote:

Genetic evidence, if valuable, would help us clear the haze where standard methods cannot apply. So far it seems it's only effective in tracing racial groups but even there results aren't independently replicable: if you're mixed race and give your sample to another company somewhat different results will emerge.

The commercial tests are actually very accurate at telling major races from each other (caucasoid, mongoloid, negroid) and also consistent when it comes to identifying what % European, Amerind and African a mixed person is from the new world. Also, when you download your raw data from different companies and you transfer it to gedmatch, they will look 99% the same on Eurogenes k13 or other calculators even if previously they looked different because different companies break down the ancestry differently.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ixulescu

the reference populations are trash

I'm not sure about that.
02-27-2021, 10:30 AM
Aspirin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

I think the reason you're skeptical of dna tests is because you did it yourslef and it shows you're mostly Romanian by ancestry..

This is the main reason why he is so butthurt, and why he so desperately want to prove something else. Same story with the freak ixulescu who wanted to prove what Moldavians are the same as Wallachians genetically, Transylvanian Romanians are identical to Hungarians, most rural population in Romania are Baltids, and all Moldavian samples colected by Ion Basescul are just cherrypicked samples to make Moldavians to be more northern.
02-27-2021, 10:49 AM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aspirin

This is the main reason why he is so butthurt, and why he so desperately want to prove something else. Same story with the freak ixulescu who wanted to prove what Moldavians are the same as Wallachians genetically, Transylvanian Romanians are identical to Hungarians, most rural population in Romania are Baltids, and all Moldavian samples colected by Ion Basescul are just cherrypicked samples to make Moldavians to be more northern.

I'm like the last person on this forum to care about someone being more Northern or Southern. What I do care about is accuracy and objectivity.
02-27-2021, 10:59 AM
Aspirin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I'm like the last person on this forum to care about someone being more Northern or Southern. What I do care about is accuracy and objectivity.

I know, but that freak constantly insulting you because the results show totally a different story.
02-27-2021, 10:59 AM
Aspirin

Double post.
02-27-2021, 01:37 PM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aspirin

I know, but that freak constantly insulting you because the results show totally a different story.

Which is why he is in my ignored list. But even if hundreds of samples are being ignored, we should get roughly similar averages with simply the data from Apricity users.
02-28-2021, 07:09 AM
aherne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

I think the reason you're skeptical of dna tests is because you did it yourself and it shows you're mostly Romanian by ancestry.

It has nothing to do with that. I'm very very mixed (not just German/Romanian): lately I found out I have Hungarian ancestry as well on my "Romanian" side. So far: Romanian, German, Slovak, Hungarian, Croat, Greek and likely Indian (my great-grandfather looked Gypsy, which is also visible in my aunt and one of my cousins). For some reason, out of all this mix, I happen to look German and this is why I mostly identify with this ethnic group...

It has everything to do with scientific accuracy (results being independently replicable), historical accuracy (results being ignorant of historic and demographic events) and common sense (if you think with your own mind, you are able to see things that do not add up). I could continue to explain the inaccuracies I found, but it will fall on deaf ears... So let's believe that:

- Romanians have 1% east asian
- Hungarians have negligible to no Magyar admixture
- Gypsies are 40% West Asians and only 25% Indian
- Western European Hunter Gatherers were dark skinned while neolithic farmers were light skinned
02-28-2021, 07:32 AM
Leto

Truth be told, Aspirin's and Nurzat's obsession with Gypsies is no good either. Huge exaggeration IMO. Just because you don't like the country for whatever reason doesn't mean reality can be distorted. When I post actual Gypsy results and analyze their components to the best of my ability, both individuals are nowhere to be found.
02-28-2021, 07:33 AM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by aherne

- Gypsies are 40% West Asians and only 25% Indian

More like 35%. There was a study on them and it's also consistent with Gedmatch results.
02-28-2021, 09:21 AM
Scandal

Quote:

Originally Posted by aherne

- Romanians have 1% east asian
- Hungarians have negligible to no Magyar admixture
- Gypsies are 40% West Asians and only 25% Indian
- Western European Hunter Gatherers were dark skinned while neolithic farmers were light skinned

1) When you combine Amerindian+East Asian+Siberian Romanians get between 2.0 and 2.5% on Vahaduo Eurogenes k13, but that's just an avarage, individually the scores can be different. Seya scores 4%. Chris the hungarian guy scores 2% and look very Asian influenced.
Don't historians say Romanians descend from Dacians? If so, why should the mong score be higher than 1 or 2%?
2) Why not? Some individuals show it, many others don't show it at all. You have experience mostly with Hungarians from Romania, who on avarage score more Mongoloid than do Hungarians from other places and phenotypically show Mongoloid influence more often. I don't know if you know who Chris is and how he looks like but he said he has been called chinese looking and gypsy looking by his countrymen, so it's not a look you see on every corner in Hungary.
3) Why not? On avarage they don't look the same as Indian people
4) I don't know. On the other hand the notion that he was a black man is certainly politically motivated propaganda.
02-28-2021, 09:35 AM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

1) When you combine Amerindian+East Asian+Siberian Romanians get between 2.0 and 2.5% on Vahaduo Eurogenes k13, but that's just an avarage, individually the scores can be different. Seya scores 4%. Chris the hungarian guy scores 2% and look very Asian influenced.
Don't historians say Romanians descend from Dacians? If so, why should the mong score be higher than 1 or 2%?
2) Why not? Some individuals show it, many others don't show it at all. You have experience mostly with Hungarians from Romania, who on avarage score more Mongoloid than do Hungarians from other places and phenotypically show Mongoloid influence more often. I don't know if you know who Chris is and how he looks like but he said he has been called chinese looking and gypsy looking by his countrymen, so it's not a look you see on every corner in Hungary.
3) Why not? On avarage they don't look the same as Indian people
4) I don't know. On the other hand the notion that he was black skinned or straight up black is certainly politically motivated propaganda.

Well I score 3.6% or 4.6% depending on the test and aherne for example thought that I don't look Romanian (Alpine+Turanid). But that's just a coincidence IMO, which doesn't depend on the EA/Siberian/Amerind score. You need something like 20% to guarantee having a visible influence on the phenotype. And then there are smaller cases, where one barely needs to have any Mong. admixture for the phenotype influences to resurface. At the end of the day it's just a lottery.
02-28-2021, 02:16 PM
aherne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

Don't historians say Romanians descend from Dacians? If so, why should the mong score be higher than 1 or 2%?

Because Turkic tribes were stationed in and around for more than a thousand years: Huns, Bulgars, Pechenegs, Cumans, Tatars. Many placenames have Turkic origin, many early historical figures had Turkic names. Turkic looks are not that uncommon either... That's why I find 1-2% to be out of touch with history and demography, but here maybe the error is somewhat acceptable due to narrow margins.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

You have experience mostly with Hungarians from Romania, who on avarage score more Mongoloid than do Hungarians from other places and phenotypically show Mongoloid influence more often. I don't know if you know who Chris is and how he looks like but he said he has been called chinese looking and gypsy looking by his countrymen, so it's not a look you see on every corner in Hungary.

Chris fits better as a Turanid inspired Romanian. Also, ancient Magyars were not Mongoloid but as I correctly guessed by mapping their remnants on modern Hungarians they were Scythian-Uralic-Turkic mixes (see wiki article). Originally only Aryo-Uralic, then got a Turanid influence during migration era. I encourage you to visit Szekeler region: quite some people there look like original Magyars.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

Why not? On avarage they don't look the same as Indian people

Because there is no historical basis for them being 45% West Asian. It's pure bullshit! They are what they look like: Indo-Europeans (ranging from Indian to European look). Much more similar to Europeans than Middle Easterners or even Turks... There is indeed rare overlap with Eastern Iranians but that's normal considering they came from NW India.

What I think in their case is a small founding population size, lots of inbreeding (if you've noticed, Gypsies are prone to genetic diseases and much less diverse in looks than NW Indians). When such cases happen, there is something called "genetic drift": random mutations in founders' pool gets maxed out over time giving inaccurate final ancestry results.
02-28-2021, 06:20 PM
Scandal

Quote:

Originally Posted by aherne

Because Turkic tribes were stationed in and around for more than a thousand years: Huns, Bulgars, Pechenegs, Cumans, Tatars. Many placenames have Turkic origin, many early historical figures had Turkic names. Turkic looks are not that uncommon either... That's why I find 1-2% to be out of touch with history and demography, but here maybe the error is somewhat acceptable due to narrow margins.

Chris fits better as a Turanid inspired Romanian. Also, ancient Magyars were not Mongoloid but as I correctly guessed by mapping their remnants on modern Hungarians they were Scythian-Uralic-Turkic mixes (see wiki article). Originally only Aryo-Uralic, then got a Turanid influence during migration era. I encourage you to visit Szekeler region: quite some people there look like original Magyars.

Because there is no historical basis for them being 45% West Asian. It's pure bullshit! They are what they look like: Indo-Europeans (ranging from Indian to European look). Much more similar to Europeans than Middle Easterners or even Turks... There is indeed rare overlap with Eastern Iranians but that's normal considering they came from NW India.

What I think in their case is a small founding population size, lots of inbreeding (if you've noticed, Gypsies are prone to genetic diseases and much less diverse in looks than NW Indians). When such cases happen, there is something called "genetic drift": random mutations in founders' pool gets maxed out over time giving inaccurate final ancestry results.

On which calculator are Gypsies 45% West Asian? They aren't on k13 and they can be modeled as 45% Greek, 45% North indian and 10% middle eastern or so, but it's a calculator for Europeans so I'm not sure.
02-28-2021, 06:32 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

On which calculator are Gypsies 45% West Asian? They aren't on k13 and they can be modeled as 45% Greek, 45% North indian and 10% middle eastern or so, but it's a calculator for Europeans so I'm not sure.

Nah. From Vahaduo, reduced to only 3 populations:

Target: Balkan_Gypsy
Distance: 0.8493% / 0.84933619 | R3P
49.6 Greek_Thessaly
34.9 North_Kannadi
15.5 Armenian

I guess Kannadi is Kannada? That's a Dravidian language spoken in the state of Karnataka, Southern India. However, the Indian part of the Gypsy ethnogenesis is said to have come from low-caste tribes of Northwestern India. So I guess they were racially Dravidian with little to no Steppe.
The ancestors of the Gypsies came to Southeastern Europe from Northern India through Pakistan, Iran and Anatolia, as far as I know.

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Distance to:	Bihor_1
5.62769047	Bulgaria_Northwestern
5.70011403	Pomak_Bulgaria
5.86127119	Moldova_South
6.17889149	Serb_south
6.40866601	Pomak_Greece
6.75002963	Bulgaria_Northcentral
6.80710658	Romania_Dobruja
6.81044051	Romania_Muntenia
6.84840857	Romania_Banat
6.94280203	Romania_Wallachia
7.08946401	Bulgaria_average
7.11912916	Bulgaria_Southcentral
7.14607585	Romania_average
7.54997351	Romania_Oltenia
7.76671745	Bulgaria_Southwestern
7.79467126	Romania_Moldavia_South
7.87715685	Moldova_South_Gagauzia
7.94014483	Bosniak_Sandzak
7.95185513	Romania_Transylvania
8.22397714	Romania_Maramures
8.27107006	Montenegrin
8.29301513	Serb
8.42505786	Greek_Northern-Thrace
8.50702063	Serb_central
8.71908826	Macedonian_North

Distance to:	Bihor_1
3.79482542	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
6.44230549	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
7.10902947	Romania_Banat_Timis
7.22721246	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
7.22960580	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
7.55096020	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
7.94986792	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
8.11035141	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
8.25520442	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
8.93267037	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
9.00194423	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
9.17689490	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
9.30231692	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
10.42957813	Romania_Crisana_Arad
10.94776690	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
12.58210237	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
13.02196990	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
14.56832180	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
21.56921185	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Bihor_2
2.12393503	Hungarian_Transylvania
2.95115232	Székely
3.91129135	Csángó-Ceangău
4.89440497	Croat_West
5.68013204	Hungarian
5.94737757	Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.02518050	Hungarian_Alföld
6.13419106	Croat_South
6.21148935	Croat
6.44697604	Romania_Moldavia_North
6.76836760	Serb_central
6.79589582	Serb_north
7.01269563	Romania_Crisana
7.05656432	Serb
7.14364053	Romania_Maramures
7.45300610	Croat_North
7.59918417	Bosniak
7.85624592	Slovenian
8.05952232	Moldova_Centre
8.06231356	Croat_East
8.29671622	Moldova_average
8.34211004	Romania_Transylvania
8.38396684	Romania_Moldavia_South
8.73486691	Hungarian_Northern
8.76083900	Austrian

Distance to:	Bihor_2
3.04359984	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
4.67711450	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
5.16747521	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
6.66877800	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
7.01613141	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
7.30992476	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
7.46446247	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
7.54831769	Romania_Crisana_Arad
8.17286975	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
8.24519254	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
8.42265991	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
8.45624030	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
8.66595061	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon
9.28930568	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
9.47591157	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
9.54431768	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
9.81049948	Romania_Banat_Timis
11.79660544	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
12.89262968	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma

Distance to:	Bihor_3
4.72229817	Romania_Crisana
4.94872711	Székely
5.30032075	Romania_Transylvania
5.33643139	Hungarian_Transylvania
5.40247166	Romania_Moldavia_South
5.52991863	Montenegrin
5.94217132	Romania_Maramures
6.16237779	Romania_Moldavia_North
6.18216790	Romania_average
6.21203670	Serb_central
6.36528868	Serb
6.38883401	Csángó-Ceangău
6.48963019	Romania_Oltenia
6.79905140	Bosniak_Sandzak
6.87293969	Romania_Banat
6.99761388	Serb_north
7.05857634	Serb_south
7.39354448	Bulgaria_Southwestern
7.52742320	Romania_Wallachia
7.53465991	Moldova_South
7.62320143	Croat_West
7.67058668	Romania_Dobruja
7.70083762	Croat_South
7.94896849	Moldova_Centre
8.00838935	Romania_Muntenia

Distance to:	Bihor_3
3.96025252	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
3.98194676	Romania_Crisana_Arad
4.22966902	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
4.45304390	Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
5.25914442	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
5.54914408	Romania_Crisana_Bihor
5.63971630	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
5.72677047	Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
5.89599864	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
6.03428538	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
6.33040283	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
6.49420511	Romania_Banat_Timis
6.60137107	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
6.83641719	Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
7.55060262	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
8.39092367	Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
9.39596190	Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
10.59498466	Romania_Transylvania_1/4Roma
10.75527313	Romania_Transylvania_Saxon