Macedonian Gedmatch kits

Where can I see your results bained? gedmatch etc?

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Originally Posted by Vojnik

Where can I see your results bained? gedmatch etc?

I posted some here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-New-Bulgarian

I deleted gedmatch, but if you wanna DM me to give you specific results from AdmixtureStudio.

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Originally Posted by bained

I posted some here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-New-Bulgarian

I deleted gedmatch, but if you wanna DM me to give you specific results from AdmixtureStudio.

We have similar K13 results. Just that I have slightly higher Baltic, and you slightly higher east med. our top 4 closest populations are in exact same order (1: Romanian 2:Bulgarian 3:Serbian 4:Greek Thessaly).

New 20 Macedonian gedmatch kits!

Code:

A642815 (J-M241) T588417 T491975 T266350 - Bitola YU3235195 - Lerin/Bitola. T847009 - Tetovo A083622 - Skopje T973440 - Ohrid EB9973324 - Bitola HU7020765 - (I) A673694 Veles A530582 - Veles (R1b1a2a1a2a1b3) M017434 - Skopje (l1) A561844 - Bitola GM5559315 - Skopje BK9727857 - Struga AV9652727 - Debrca A972345 T370343 - Bitola A561844 - Bitola

K15 PCA
https://i.imgur.com/LRkLH08.jpg

K13 Population %

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A642815 (J-M241) Population North_Atlantic 16.58 Pct Baltic 23.42 Pct West_Med 18.82 Pct West_Asian 14.49 Pct East_Med 23.78 Pct Red_Sea 0.88 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 1.48 Pct Siberian 0.25 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 0.12 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.18 Pct T588417 Population North_Atlantic 19.09 Pct Baltic 22.54 Pct West_Med 20.50 Pct West_Asian 10.08 Pct East_Med 26.25 Pct Red_Sea 0.15 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.25 Pct Siberian 0.20 Pct Amerindian 0.06 Pct Oceanian 0.87 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - T491975 Population North_Atlantic 21.69 Pct Baltic 21.74 Pct West_Med 19.39 Pct West_Asian 13.15 Pct East_Med 20.11 Pct Red_Sea 2.26 Pct South_Asian 0.89 Pct East_Asian 0.53 Pct Siberian - Amerindian 0.24 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - T266350 - Bitola Population North_Atlantic 23.82 Pct Baltic 22.97 Pct West_Med 17.22 Pct West_Asian 12.01 Pct East_Med 18.76 Pct Red_Sea 4.42 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian - Amerindian 0.59 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African 0.17 Pct Sub-Saharan - YU3235195 - Lerin/Bitola. Population North_Atlantic 24.33 Pct Baltic 21.25 Pct West_Med 20.48 Pct West_Asian 9.71 Pct East_Med 20.33 Pct Red_Sea 2.29 Pct South_Asian 0.71 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 0.65 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian - Northeast_African 0.10 Pct Sub-Saharan 0.09 Pct T847009 - Tetovo Population North_Atlantic 24.32 Pct Baltic 19.78 Pct West_Med 19.27 Pct West_Asian 11.46 Pct East_Med 21.06 Pct Red_Sea 2.55 Pct South_Asian 0.31 Pct East_Asian - Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian 1.25 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - A083622 - Skopje Population North_Atlantic 23.76 Pct Baltic 19.21 Pct West_Med 19.10 Pct West_Asian 11.09 Pct East_Med 23.30 Pct Red_Sea 0.70 Pct South_Asian 0.96 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 1.19 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 0.70 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - T973440-Ohrid Population North_Atlantic 18.21 Pct Baltic 23.00 Pct West_Med 22.25 Pct West_Asian 10.02 Pct East_Med 23.18 Pct Red_Sea 2.53 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.81 Pct Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - EB9973324 - Bitola Population North_Atlantic 25.25 Pct Baltic 22.57 Pct West_Med 19.53 Pct West_Asian 10.61 Pct East_Med 17.69 Pct Red_Sea 2.86 Pct South_Asian 0.13 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 0.95 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 0.40 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - HU7020765 - (I) Population North_Atlantic 19.59 Pct Baltic 20.90 Pct West_Med 21.83 Pct West_Asian 8.76 Pct East_Med 24.55 Pct Red_Sea 2.02 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 1.63 Pct Siberian - Amerindian 0.71 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - A673694 - Veles Population North_Atlantic 24.31 Pct Baltic 20.31 Pct West_Med 21.45 Pct West_Asian 12.17 Pct East_Med 19.52 Pct Red_Sea 0.53 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.46 Pct Siberian 0.85 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian - Northeast_African 0.36 Pct Sub-Saharan - A530582 - Veles (R1b1a2a1a2a1b3) Population North_Atlantic 22.62 Pct Baltic 22.88 Pct West_Med 20.21 Pct West_Asian 13.14 Pct East_Med 17.79 Pct Red_Sea - South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 1.56 Pct Amerindian 1.07 Pct Oceanian 0.74 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - M017434 - Skopje (l1) Population North_Atlantic 22.24 Pct Baltic 23.89 Pct West_Med 19.33 Pct West_Asian 9.05 Pct East_Med 18.70 Pct Red_Sea 4.92 Pct South_Asian 0.70 Pct East_Asian 0.49 Pct Siberian - Amerindian 0.36 Pct Oceanian 0.32 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - A561844 - Bitola Population North_Atlantic 22.72 Pct Baltic 20.52 Pct West_Med 20.91 Pct West_Asian 11.13 Pct East_Med 18.66 Pct Red_Sea 5.04 Pct South_Asian 0.28 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 0.23 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 0.50 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - GM5559315 - Skopje Population North_Atlantic 21.46 Pct Baltic 23.20 Pct West_Med 18.26 Pct West_Asian 11.54 Pct East_Med 21.98 Pct Red_Sea 0.91 Pct South_Asian 1.69 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 0.69 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 0.28 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - BK9727857 - Struga Population North_Atlantic 21.21 Pct Baltic 22.44 Pct West_Med 20.12 Pct West_Asian 12.70 Pct East_Med 18.16 Pct Red_Sea 3.95 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.25 Pct Siberian 1.17 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - A972345 Population North_Atlantic 20.25 Pct Baltic 23.88 Pct West_Med 21.11 Pct West_Asian 11.34 Pct East_Med 19.73 Pct Red_Sea 2.28 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 0.40 Pct Amerindian 0.92 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - T370343 - Bitola Population North_Atlantic 22.82 Pct Baltic 18.87 Pct West_Med 20.30 Pct West_Asian 11.09 Pct East_Med 22.37 Pct Red_Sea 3.14 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.28 Pct Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian 0.25 Pct Northeast_African 0.20 Pct Sub-Saharan 0.69 Pct A561844 - Bitola North_Atlantic 22.72 Pct Baltic 20.52 Pct West_Med 20.91 Pct West_Asian 11.13 Pct East_Med 18.66 Pct Red_Sea 5.04 Pct South_Asian 0.28 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 0.23 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 0.50 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - AV9652727 - Debrca North_Atlantic 21.29 Pct Baltic 19.31 Pct West_Med 21.32 Pct West_Asian 11.33 Pct East_Med 21.73 Pct Red_Sea 2.49 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 1.31 Pct Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian 1.22 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

I noticed Macedonian kits from West,Southwest,Central part have in 90% same or higher West Med from East Med.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

New 20 Macedonian gedmatch kits!

Code:

A642815 (J-M241) T588417 T491975 T266350 - Bitola YU3235195 - Lerin/Bitola. T847009 - Tetovo A083622 - Skopje T973440 - Ohrid EB9973324 - Bitola HU7020765 - (I) A673694 Veles A530582 - Veles (R1b1a2a1a2a1b3) M017434 - Skopje (l1) A561844 - Bitola GM5559315 - Skopje BK9727857 - Struga AV9652727 - Debrca A972345 T370343 - Bitola A561844 - Bitola

K15 PCA
https://i.imgur.com/LRkLH08.jpg

K13 Population %

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A642815 (J-M241) Population North_Atlantic 16.58 Pct Baltic 23.42 Pct West_Med 18.82 Pct West_Asian 14.49 Pct East_Med 23.78 Pct Red_Sea 0.88 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 1.48 Pct Siberian 0.25 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 0.12 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.18 Pct T588417 Population North_Atlantic 19.09 Pct Baltic 22.54 Pct West_Med 20.50 Pct West_Asian 10.08 Pct East_Med 26.25 Pct Red_Sea 0.15 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.25 Pct Siberian 0.20 Pct Amerindian 0.06 Pct Oceanian 0.87 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - T491975 Population North_Atlantic 21.69 Pct Baltic 21.74 Pct West_Med 19.39 Pct West_Asian 13.15 Pct East_Med 20.11 Pct Red_Sea 2.26 Pct South_Asian 0.89 Pct East_Asian 0.53 Pct Siberian - Amerindian 0.24 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - T266350 - Bitola Population North_Atlantic 23.82 Pct Baltic 22.97 Pct West_Med 17.22 Pct West_Asian 12.01 Pct East_Med 18.76 Pct Red_Sea 4.42 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian - Amerindian 0.59 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African 0.17 Pct Sub-Saharan - YU3235195 - Lerin/Bitola. Population North_Atlantic 24.33 Pct Baltic 21.25 Pct West_Med 20.48 Pct West_Asian 9.71 Pct East_Med 20.33 Pct Red_Sea 2.29 Pct South_Asian 0.71 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 0.65 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian - Northeast_African 0.10 Pct Sub-Saharan 0.09 Pct T847009 - Tetovo Population North_Atlantic 24.32 Pct Baltic 19.78 Pct West_Med 19.27 Pct West_Asian 11.46 Pct East_Med 21.06 Pct Red_Sea 2.55 Pct South_Asian 0.31 Pct East_Asian - Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian 1.25 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - A083622 - Skopje Population North_Atlantic 23.76 Pct Baltic 19.21 Pct West_Med 19.10 Pct West_Asian 11.09 Pct East_Med 23.30 Pct Red_Sea 0.70 Pct South_Asian 0.96 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 1.19 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 0.70 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - T973440-Ohrid Population North_Atlantic 18.21 Pct Baltic 23.00 Pct West_Med 22.25 Pct West_Asian 10.02 Pct East_Med 23.18 Pct Red_Sea 2.53 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.81 Pct Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - EB9973324 - Bitola Population North_Atlantic 25.25 Pct Baltic 22.57 Pct West_Med 19.53 Pct West_Asian 10.61 Pct East_Med 17.69 Pct Red_Sea 2.86 Pct South_Asian 0.13 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 0.95 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 0.40 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - HU7020765 - (I) Population North_Atlantic 19.59 Pct Baltic 20.90 Pct West_Med 21.83 Pct West_Asian 8.76 Pct East_Med 24.55 Pct Red_Sea 2.02 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 1.63 Pct Siberian - Amerindian 0.71 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - A673694 - Veles Population North_Atlantic 24.31 Pct Baltic 20.31 Pct West_Med 21.45 Pct West_Asian 12.17 Pct East_Med 19.52 Pct Red_Sea 0.53 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.46 Pct Siberian 0.85 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian - Northeast_African 0.36 Pct Sub-Saharan - A530582 - Veles (R1b1a2a1a2a1b3) Population North_Atlantic 22.62 Pct Baltic 22.88 Pct West_Med 20.21 Pct West_Asian 13.14 Pct East_Med 17.79 Pct Red_Sea - South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 1.56 Pct Amerindian 1.07 Pct Oceanian 0.74 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - M017434 - Skopje (l1) Population North_Atlantic 22.24 Pct Baltic 23.89 Pct West_Med 19.33 Pct West_Asian 9.05 Pct East_Med 18.70 Pct Red_Sea 4.92 Pct South_Asian 0.70 Pct East_Asian 0.49 Pct Siberian - Amerindian 0.36 Pct Oceanian 0.32 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - A561844 - Bitola Population North_Atlantic 22.72 Pct Baltic 20.52 Pct West_Med 20.91 Pct West_Asian 11.13 Pct East_Med 18.66 Pct Red_Sea 5.04 Pct South_Asian 0.28 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 0.23 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 0.50 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - GM5559315 - Skopje Population North_Atlantic 21.46 Pct Baltic 23.20 Pct West_Med 18.26 Pct West_Asian 11.54 Pct East_Med 21.98 Pct Red_Sea 0.91 Pct South_Asian 1.69 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 0.69 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 0.28 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - BK9727857 - Struga Population North_Atlantic 21.21 Pct Baltic 22.44 Pct West_Med 20.12 Pct West_Asian 12.70 Pct East_Med 18.16 Pct Red_Sea 3.95 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.25 Pct Siberian 1.17 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - A972345 Population North_Atlantic 20.25 Pct Baltic 23.88 Pct West_Med 21.11 Pct West_Asian 11.34 Pct East_Med 19.73 Pct Red_Sea 2.28 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 0.40 Pct Amerindian 0.92 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - T370343 - Bitola Population North_Atlantic 22.82 Pct Baltic 18.87 Pct West_Med 20.30 Pct West_Asian 11.09 Pct East_Med 22.37 Pct Red_Sea 3.14 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.28 Pct Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian 0.25 Pct Northeast_African 0.20 Pct Sub-Saharan 0.69 Pct A561844 - Bitola North_Atlantic 22.72 Pct Baltic 20.52 Pct West_Med 20.91 Pct West_Asian 11.13 Pct East_Med 18.66 Pct Red_Sea 5.04 Pct South_Asian 0.28 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 0.23 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 0.50 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - AV9652727 - Debrca North_Atlantic 21.29 Pct Baltic 19.31 Pct West_Med 21.32 Pct West_Asian 11.33 Pct East_Med 21.73 Pct Red_Sea 2.49 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 1.31 Pct Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian 1.22 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

What's the sample at the far right at the bottom (northeast of Tuscany)?

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Originally Posted by Mingle

What's the sample at the far right at the bottom (northeast of Tuscany)?

Idk really , search with high north_atlantic and west med :D
Try this AV9652727 - Debrca - Struga Southwest.
A561844 - Bitola - Pelagonia
T370343 - Bitola - Pelagonia
A673694 - Veles - Central
Some of these.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

I noticed Macedonian kits from West,Southwest,Central part have in 90% same or higher West Med from East Med.

Kosovo and Southeast Serbs usually have higher East Med, and other Serbs and Montnegrins have higher West Med.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Kosovo and Southeast Serbs usually have higher East Med, and other Serbs and Montnegrins have higher West Med.

Yeah , Macedonian kits most of it have high west and also east med.

This is results from mixed ethicities with Macedonians.

T433517 - Mother Bulgarian and Father Macedonian from (Mijaci tribe) from the Mijak village of Tresonche (situated on Radika river valley in Bistra mountain).

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Population North_Atlantic 24.61 Pct Baltic 21.37 Pct West_Med 16.20 Pct West_Asian 14.04 Pct East_Med 20.27 Pct Red_Sea 2.32 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.11 Pct Siberian 1.08 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

A402373 Father Bulgarian - Mother from Macedonia - Pelagonia region.

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Population North_Atlantic 23.31 Pct Baltic 21.07 Pct West_Med 15.98 Pct West_Asian 12.93 Pct East_Med 22.03 Pct Red_Sea 3.50 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.72 Pct Siberian 0.40 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 0.06 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

A024882 Father Macedonian - Mother Serbian

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Population North_Atlantic 21.12 Pct Baltic 26.46 Pct West_Med 16.72 Pct West_Asian 12.33 Pct East_Med 18.39 Pct Red_Sea 2.29 Pct South_Asian 0.93 Pct East_Asian 0.75 Pct Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian 0.82 Pct Northeast_African 0.20 Pct Sub-Saharan -

Btw im Half Macedonian - Half Serbian from Kumanovo , i have similar results to last guy.

Full Macedonian from Kumanovo (most North part of Country) - K13 Eurogenes reference Macedonian_North.

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Population North_Atlantic 20.21 Pct Baltic 24.00 Pct West_Med 21.25 Pct West_Asian 10.02 Pct East_Med 21.18 Pct Red_Sea 2.53 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.81 Pct Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

Skopje Macedonians from the study "Standing at the Gateway to Europe - The Genetic Structure of Western Balkan Populations Based on Autosomal and Haploid Markers"
and the average without kit #1

https://i.imgur.com/VeuVsIT.png

the first result is outlying and very rare even in Serbia. Some others also seem more northern than the results posted here.
which of these could really be from the Skopje region?

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Skopje Macedonians from the study "Standing at the Gateway to Europe - The Genetic Structure of Western Balkan Populations Based on Autosomal and Haploid Markers"
and the average without kit #1

https://i.imgur.com/VeuVsIT.png

the first result is outlying and very rare even in Serbia. Some others also seem more northern than the results posted here.
which of these could really be from the Skopje region?

Also Lukasz tell me that he got academic samples with averages but without gedmatch kits.Idk about these results they dont seems to me Macedonian, last month i saw more than 100 Macedonian kits , i can tell you half of these results are not seems like Macedonian.But thats Skopje there lives everything , full of ex-Yugoslavs and yeah these Skopje results are from Skopje , two of them are full Macedonians and two are brothers.

EDIT : 34 Baltic - 28? Im half Serbian , i dont score these results :D

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Also Lukasz tell me that he got academic samples with averages but without gedmatch kits.Idk about these results they dont seems to me Macedonian, last month i saw more than 100 Macedonian kits , i can tell you half of these results are not seems like Macedonian.But thats Skopje there lives everything , full of ex-Yugoslavs and yeah these Skopje results are from Skopje , two of them are full Macedonians and two are brothers.

EDIT : 34 Baltic - 28? Im half Serbian , i dont score these results :D

ah, so pretty much useless.
i have the samples on my pc, i run them trough AdmixtureStudio. i can send them to you if you want to upload them to gedmatch.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

ah, so pretty much useless.
i have the samples on my pc, i run them trough AdmixtureStudio. i can send them to you if you want to upload them to gedmatch.

What is useless?
Send me gedmatch kits from these results you posted.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

What is useless?

this study. these samples are supposed to represent Macedonians, or at least Macedonians from the Skopje region, but they obviously picked a lot of admixed or completely foreign people

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

they aren't on gedmatch yet. i have their raw data files, i can send them to you.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

this study. these samples are supposed to represent Macedonians, or at least Macedonians from the Skopje region.

they aren't on gedmatch yet. i have their raw data files, i can send them to you.

So im trying this thread to be right , please next time when post results , post also kits with informations.Otherwise dont post if you dont have kits.
Thanks

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

So im trying this thread to be right , please next time when post results , post also kits with informations.Otherwise dont post if you dont have kits.
Thanks

i have them on my pc. it's 14 randomly picked Skopje Macedonians from this study . what don't you understand.

https://i.imgur.com/2B4L6zB.png

i just wanted to compare them to your results from the Skopje region, and if they are good use them for the Macedonian_Skopje average. no need to get aggressive.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

i have them on my pc. it's 14 randomly picked Skopje Macedonians from this study . what don't you understand.

https://i.imgur.com/2B4L6zB.png

i just wanted to compare them to your results from the Skopje region, and if they are good use them for the Macedonian_Skopje average. no need to get aggressive.

First of all im not aggressive , second we dont know from what ethnicities these samples are taken i have Skopje Serbo-Macedonian kits with less Baltic, zero info im avoiding on purpose these kind of stuff ,you have Macedonian Txt folders i dont know if these guys are Macedonians and dont believe to these "studies", i have seen almost 80% Macedonian kits who existed outthere im pretty sure, me personaly have around 100,also i have around 15 Skopje gedmatch kits i never seen such a results , half of these results seems like Serbians from North or from Montenegro with high Baltic ,so again when i found Macedonian kit i make contact with owner and i take informations,otherwise im not accepting anything so again if you dont have gedmatch kits with informations dont post.
Btw i will make average Skopje i have 15 kits, you dont care.
Cheers !

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

i have around 15 Skopje gedmatch kits i never seen such a results

ok, that's why i heckin asked you. how could i have known that? i assumed maybe the first kit should removed, and the rest can be added to the Northwest Macedonian average. i didn't know they were that bad.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

ok, that's why i heckin asked you. how could i have known that? i assumed maybe the first kit should removed, and the rest can be added to the Northwest Macedonian average. i didn't know they were that bad.

I have 5 Northwest kits , no more than 23 Baltic almost all are with 22 and one 19.
Skopje kits no more than 24 , and Serbo-Macedonian kits from Skopje with 25-26, also i have from Kumanovo my friend half Serbian with 27, me half serbian 26.
I will not put in average Serbo-Macedonians,just for record just full Macedonians, also these guys are recognized theirselfs like Serbs even they are half Macedonians.
Just to make you clear, these Serbo-Macedonians clustering with Southeast Serbs.
If you dont have fully ethnical Macedonians with informations, dont post,fully Macedonian kits from any region are not even close to Serbian.
Dont get me wrong.

Edit : Regions like Skopje and Kumanovo have assimilated many Serbs thats not pure regions but mostly of these mixed guys recognized theirselfs like Serbs not Macedonians.
*Please i dont want to ruin this thread with more discussion.This is for Macedonian gedmatch KITs.
Thanks!

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Full Macedonian from Kumanovo (most North part of Country) - K13 Eurogenes reference Macedonian_North.

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Population North_Atlantic 20.21 Pct Baltic 24.00 Pct West_Med 21.25 Pct West_Asian 10.02 Pct East_Med 21.18 Pct Red_Sea 2.53 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.81 Pct Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

This guy has typical Bulgarian results, higher Baltic and lower North Atlantic. Are these typical results for the North, Kumanovo and Kriva Palanka?

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Originally Posted by Lioncourt

This guy has typical Bulgarian results, higher Baltic and lower North Atlantic. Are these typical results for the North, Kumanovo and Kriva Palanka?

I doont have many from full ethnic Macedonians from Kumanovo , i have from region close to Kumanovo and from Northeast Village German.
Region Vratnica close to Kumanovo

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Population North_Atlantic 20.69 Pct Baltic 22.74 Pct West_Med 19.55 Pct West_Asian 8.65 Pct East_Med 25.35 Pct Red_Sea 0.91 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 0.90 Pct Amerindian 0.67 Pct Oceanian 0.30 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.24 Pct

Village German close to Kratovo

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Population North_Atlantic 22.42 Pct Baltic 22.28 Pct West_Med 18.15 Pct West_Asian 8.99 Pct East_Med 25.37 Pct Red_Sea 0.38 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.95 Pct Siberian - Amerindian 0.73 Pct Oceanian 0.73 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

Isn it Bulgarians score low West Med and higher West Asian than Macedonians ?

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

I doont have many from full ethnic Macedonians from Kumanovo , i have from region close to Kumanovo and from Northeast Village German.
Region Vratnica close to Kumanovo

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Population North_Atlantic 20.69 Pct Baltic 22.74 Pct West_Med 19.55 Pct West_Asian 8.65 Pct East_Med 25.35 Pct Red_Sea 0.91 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 0.90 Pct Amerindian 0.67 Pct Oceanian 0.30 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.24 Pct

Village German close to Kratovo

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Population North_Atlantic 22.42 Pct Baltic 22.28 Pct West_Med 18.15 Pct West_Asian 8.99 Pct East_Med 25.37 Pct Red_Sea 0.38 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.95 Pct Siberian - Amerindian 0.73 Pct Oceanian 0.73 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

Isn it Bulgarians score low West Med and higher West Asian than Macedonians ?

Yes, and also lower East Med.

These two have higher East Med and lower West Asian thaan any Bulgarian I have seen.

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Originally Posted by Lioncourt

Yes, and also lower East Med.

These two have higher East Med and lower West Asian thaan any Bulgarian I have seen.

Yeah these two results are pretty much same , one is from Northwest one from Northeast :D

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A964713 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) M737359 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) - I2a2 T392632 - Zhelevo(Northwest Greece) - Prilep. XK5081727 M055584 - Veles - EV-13 M517367 - Veles T308882 - Skopje. H414329 - Tetovo A735427 A872089 T130034 - Tetovo NB2171591 - Florina - Skopje ET3431273 - Florina - Skopje

K15 PCA
https://i.imgur.com/w1hstvu.jpg

K13 Population

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A964713 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) North_Atlantic 20.55 Pct Baltic 23.19 Pct West_Med 20.18 Pct West_Asian 10.94 Pct East_Med 21.36 Pct Red_Sea 2.44 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 0.71 Pct Amerindian 0.31 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.32 Pct M737359 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) - I2a2 North_Atlantic 22.02 Pct Baltic 21.71 Pct West_Med 21.32 Pct West_Asian 9.84 Pct East_Med 21.69 Pct Red_Sea 2.18 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.43 Pct Siberian 0.11 Pct Amerindian 0.70 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - T392632 - Zhelevo(Northwest Greece) - Prilep. North_Atlantic 21.83 Pct Baltic 20.04 Pct West_Med 23.42 Pct West_Asian 12.14 Pct East_Med 17.98 Pct Red_Sea 2.16 Pct South_Asian 0.06 Pct East_Asian 0.65 Pct Siberian 0.08 Pct Amerindian 0.30 Pct Oceanian 0.97 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.36 Pct XK5081727 North_Atlantic 23.01 Pct Baltic 21.19 Pct West_Med 19.89 Pct West_Asian 9.14 Pct East_Med 24.69 Pct Red_Sea 0.98 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.85 Pct Siberian - Amerindian 0.27 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - M055584 - Veles - EV-13 North_Atlantic 20.74 Pct Baltic 23.68 Pct West_Med 18.62 Pct West_Asian 13.68 Pct East_Med 20.18 Pct Red_Sea 0.34 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.58 Pct Siberian 0.93 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 1.25 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - M517367 - Veles North_Atlantic 23.34 Pct Baltic 19.96 Pct West_Med 20.68 Pct West_Asian 12.16 Pct East_Med 20.73 Pct Red_Sea 1.73 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 0.27 Pct Amerindian 0.07 Pct Oceanian 1.05 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - T308882 - Skopje. North_Atlantic 20.76 Pct Baltic 24.41 Pct West_Med 19.04 Pct West_Asian 9.91 Pct East_Med 19.38 Pct Red_Sea 4.89 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.06 Pct Siberian - Amerindian 0.70 Pct Oceanian 0.86 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - H414329 - Tetovo North_Atlantic 22.37 Pct Baltic 24.61 Pct West_Med 17.96 Pct West_Asian 12.79 Pct East_Med 17.02 Pct Red_Sea 4.02 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.28 Pct Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian 0.57 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.37 Pct A735427 North_Atlantic 22.39 Pct Baltic 19.09 Pct West_Med 20.37 Pct West_Asian 11.30 Pct East_Med 22.76 Pct Red_Sea 2.82 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 0.81 Pct Amerindian 0.46 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - A872089 North_Atlantic 17.12 Pct Baltic 21.26 Pct West_Med 23.19 Pct West_Asian 13.10 Pct East_Med 20.69 Pct Red_Sea 2.95 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 0.87 Pct Amerindian 0.71 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.09 Pct T130034 - Tetovo North_Atlantic 24.32 Pct Baltic 19.78 Pct West_Med 19.27 Pct West_Asian 11.46 Pct East_Med 21.06 Pct Red_Sea 2.55 Pct South_Asian 0.31 Pct East_Asian - Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian 1.25 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - NB2171591 - Florina - Skopje North_Atlantic 21.99 Pct Baltic 21.43 Pct West_Med 18.89 Pct West_Asian 9.32 Pct East_Med 24.39 Pct Red_Sea 2.60 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 0.65 Pct Amerindian 0.68 Pct Oceanian 0.05 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - ET3431273 - Florina - Skopje North_Atlantic 25.16 Pct Baltic 20.40 Pct West_Med 16.41 Pct West_Asian 8.82 Pct East_Med 26.46 Pct Red_Sea 1.98 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian - Amerindian 0.54 Pct Oceanian 0.21 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

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Originally Posted by bained

Samples Hemus, Struma and Maritza (Grandparents from Kaloyanovo) are from Hisarya also. All Orthodox.
Gaida, Maritza and Iskar are all V-13 if someone cares about that.

Very interesting. Struma is maybe the most western ploting Bulgarian I've seen. Hemus as well is more western than average.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

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A964713 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) M737359 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) - I2a2 T392632 - Zhelevo(Northwest Greece) - Prilep. XK5081727 M055584 - Veles - EV-13 M517367 - Veles T308882 - Skopje. H414329 - Tetovo A735427 A872089 T130034 - Tetovo NB2171591 - Florina - Skopje ET3431273 - Florina - Skopje

K15 PCA
https://i.imgur.com/w1hstvu.jpg

K13 Population

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A964713 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) North_Atlantic 20.55 Pct Baltic 23.19 Pct West_Med 20.18 Pct West_Asian 10.94 Pct East_Med 21.36 Pct Red_Sea 2.44 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 0.71 Pct Amerindian 0.31 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.32 Pct M737359 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) - I2a2 North_Atlantic 22.02 Pct Baltic 21.71 Pct West_Med 21.32 Pct West_Asian 9.84 Pct East_Med 21.69 Pct Red_Sea 2.18 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.43 Pct Siberian 0.11 Pct Amerindian 0.70 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - T392632 - Zhelevo(Northwest Greece) - Prilep. North_Atlantic 21.83 Pct Baltic 20.04 Pct West_Med 23.42 Pct West_Asian 12.14 Pct East_Med 17.98 Pct Red_Sea 2.16 Pct South_Asian 0.06 Pct East_Asian 0.65 Pct Siberian 0.08 Pct Amerindian 0.30 Pct Oceanian 0.97 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.36 Pct XK5081727 North_Atlantic 23.01 Pct Baltic 21.19 Pct West_Med 19.89 Pct West_Asian 9.14 Pct East_Med 24.69 Pct Red_Sea 0.98 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.85 Pct Siberian - Amerindian 0.27 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - M055584 - Veles - EV-13 North_Atlantic 20.74 Pct Baltic 23.68 Pct West_Med 18.62 Pct West_Asian 13.68 Pct East_Med 20.18 Pct Red_Sea 0.34 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.58 Pct Siberian 0.93 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian 1.25 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - M517367 - Veles North_Atlantic 23.34 Pct Baltic 19.96 Pct West_Med 20.68 Pct West_Asian 12.16 Pct East_Med 20.73 Pct Red_Sea 1.73 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 0.27 Pct Amerindian 0.07 Pct Oceanian 1.05 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - T308882 - Skopje. North_Atlantic 20.76 Pct Baltic 24.41 Pct West_Med 19.04 Pct West_Asian 9.91 Pct East_Med 19.38 Pct Red_Sea 4.89 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.06 Pct Siberian - Amerindian 0.70 Pct Oceanian 0.86 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - H414329 - Tetovo North_Atlantic 22.37 Pct Baltic 24.61 Pct West_Med 17.96 Pct West_Asian 12.79 Pct East_Med 17.02 Pct Red_Sea 4.02 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.28 Pct Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian 0.57 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.37 Pct A735427 North_Atlantic 22.39 Pct Baltic 19.09 Pct West_Med 20.37 Pct West_Asian 11.30 Pct East_Med 22.76 Pct Red_Sea 2.82 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 0.81 Pct Amerindian 0.46 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - A872089 North_Atlantic 17.12 Pct Baltic 21.26 Pct West_Med 23.19 Pct West_Asian 13.10 Pct East_Med 20.69 Pct Red_Sea 2.95 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 0.87 Pct Amerindian 0.71 Pct Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.09 Pct T130034 - Tetovo North_Atlantic 24.32 Pct Baltic 19.78 Pct West_Med 19.27 Pct West_Asian 11.46 Pct East_Med 21.06 Pct Red_Sea 2.55 Pct South_Asian 0.31 Pct East_Asian - Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian 1.25 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - NB2171591 - Florina - Skopje North_Atlantic 21.99 Pct Baltic 21.43 Pct West_Med 18.89 Pct West_Asian 9.32 Pct East_Med 24.39 Pct Red_Sea 2.60 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian 0.65 Pct Amerindian 0.68 Pct Oceanian 0.05 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan - ET3431273 - Florina - Skopje North_Atlantic 25.16 Pct Baltic 20.40 Pct West_Med 16.41 Pct West_Asian 8.82 Pct East_Med 26.46 Pct Red_Sea 1.98 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian - Siberian - Amerindian 0.54 Pct Oceanian 0.21 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

Who's the one sitting to the closest left hand side of the Bulgarian average, just above the 'B'? That person is literally smack bang on my position.

And are the Skopje - Florina samples people with ancestry from Lerin?

can you rank these groups in order according to who is genetically closest to slavophone Macedonians?

Bulgarians
Macedonian Greeks
Aromanians/Vlachs
SE Serbs
Albanians
Wallachian/Dobrogean Romanians

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

can you rank these groups in order according to who is genetically closest to slavophone Macedonians?

Bulgarians
Macedonian Greeks
Aromanians/Vlachs
SE Serbs
Albanians

I'd guess North Greeks of Slavic Macedonian ancestry (Grkomani) are closest. But ill leave it to the boss here.

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Originally Posted by Vojnik

Who's the one sitting to the closest left hand side of the Bulgarian average, just above the 'B'? That person is literally smack bang on my position.

And are the Skopje - Florina samples people with ancestry from Lerin?

Yeah one of the Skopje-Lerin i think.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

can you rank these groups in order according to who is genetically closest to slavophone Macedonians?

Bulgarians
Macedonian Greeks
Aromanians/Vlachs
SE Serbs
Albanians
Wallachian/Dobrogean Romanians

From first 30 kits i posted Lincourt made average of Ghegs ,Romanians from Wallachia,Bulgarians and Macedonians ;

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North Atlantic: 1. Ghegs 22.73 2. Macedonians 21.80 3. Bulgarians 21.75 4. Romanians 21.23 Baltic: 1. Bulgarians 24.06 2. Romanians 23.89 3. Macedonians 21.50 4. Ghegs 18.81 West Med: 1. Ghegs 21.39 2. Macedonians 19.69 3. Bulgarians 17.91 4. Romanians 17.23 West Asian: 1. Romanians 12.01 2. Bulgarians 11.91 3. Macedonians 10.97 4. Ghegs 10.51 East Med: 1. Ghegs 22.34 2. Macedonians 21.62 3. Bulgarians 20.12 4. Romanians 19.62 Red Sea: 1. Ghegs 2.67 2. Romanians 2.34 3. Macedonians 2.33 4. Bulgarians 1.93 East Asian: 1. Bulgarians 0.52 2. Romanians 0.50 3. Macedonians 0.39 Siberian: 1. Romanians 1.06 2. Macedonians 0.56 3. Bulgarians 0.43

I can say City like Kumanovo (North part close to Serbian border) which is Half Macedonian population mixed with Serbs there , i would say Half Kumanovo population clustering with SouthSerbs half with other Macedonians.
Everything West/South/East from Skopje regions/Cities are close to North part of country called Greece , Ghegs and to some Bulgarians ,because in general Macedonians plot West/Southwest/South or Northwest from Average Bulgaria on K15 PCA and most of Bulgarians plots East/Northeast/Southeast, from what i saw.

Btw I will make average with all kits , but thats alot of work i have close to 80-100 kits.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

From first 30 kits i posted Lincourt made average of Ghegs ,Romanians from Wallachia,Bulgarians and Macedonians ;

Code:

North Atlantic: 1. Ghegs 22.73 2. Macedonians 21.80 3. Bulgarians 21.75 4. Romanians 21.23 Baltic: 1. Bulgarians 24.06 2. Romanians 23.89 3. Macedonians 21.50 4. Ghegs 18.81 West Med: 1. Ghegs 21.39 2. Macedonians 19.69 3. Bulgarians 17.91 4. Romanians 17.23 West Asian: 1. Romanians 12.01 2. Bulgarians 11.91 3. Macedonians 10.97 4. Ghegs 10.51 East Med: 1. Ghegs 22.34 2. Macedonians 21.62 3. Bulgarians 20.12 4. Romanians 19.62 Red Sea: 1. Ghegs 2.67 2. Romanians 2.34 3. Macedonians 2.33 4. Bulgarians 1.93 East Asian: 1. Bulgarians 0.52 2. Romanians 0.50 3. Macedonians 0.39 Siberian: 1. Romanians 1.06 2. Macedonians 0.56 3. Bulgarians 0.43

I can say City like Kumanovo (North part close to Serbian border) which is Half Macedonian population mixed with Serbs there , i would say Half Kumanovo population clustering with SouthSerbs half with other Macedonians.
Everything West/South/East from Skopje regions/Cities are close to North part of country called Greece , Ghegs and to some Bulgarians ,because in general Macedonians plot West/Southwest/South or Northwest from Average Bulgaria on K15 PCA and most of Bulgarians plots East/Northeast/Southeast, from what i saw.

Btw I will make average with all kits , but thats alot of work i have close to 80-100 kits.

Do you have any kits specifically from the Kumanovo municipality?

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

Do you have any kits specifically from the Kumanovo municipality?

Specific kit no , there is Macedonian_North from K13 Updated is Macedonian from Kumanovo you can ask Kaspias.

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Population North_Atlantic 20.21 Pct Baltic 24.00 Pct West_Med 21.25 Pct West_Asian 10.02 Pct East_Med 21.18 Pct Red_Sea 2.53 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.81 Pct Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

I have from region between Kumanovo and Tetovo and one kit between Kumanovo and Kriva Palanka/Kratovo.

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Originally Posted by Vojnik

Who's the one sitting to the closest left hand side of the Bulgarian average, just above the 'B'? That person is literally smack bang on my position.

And are the Skopje - Florina samples people with ancestry from Lerin?

Btw yeah thats two sisters , with mother from Florina and Father from Skopje.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Specific kit no , there is Macedonian_North from K13 Updated is Macedonian from Kumanovo you can ask Kaspias.

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Population North_Atlantic 20.21 Pct Baltic 24.00 Pct West_Med 21.25 Pct West_Asian 10.02 Pct East_Med 21.18 Pct Red_Sea 2.53 Pct South_Asian - East_Asian 0.81 Pct Siberian - Amerindian - Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan -

I have from region between Kumanovo and Tetovo and one kit between Kumanovo and Kriva Palanka/Kratovo.

OK. I haven't seen any results even from Kosovo and Southern Serbia like that. Though, to be fair, none of the kits were from places particularly close to the border like Vranje, Bujanovac or Trgovište.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

OK. I haven't seen any results even from Kosovo and Southern Serbia like that. Though, to be fair, none of the kits were from places particularly close to the border like Vranje, Bujanovac or Trgovište.

Would be good to see some results from Pcinja.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

OK. I haven't seen any results even from Kosovo and Southern Serbia like that. Though, to be fair, none of the kits were from places particularly close to the border like Vranje, Bujanovac or Trgovište.

Vranje is most Southern place of Serbia , i think results will be close to South Montenegrins.
Btw i just got kit from Tetovo thats just 60 km west from Kumanovo.

A154390 - Tetovo
This also score South_Asian :D

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North_Atlantic 22.35 Pct Baltic 23.26 Pct West_Med 18.29 Pct West_Asian 9.49 Pct East_Med 23.71 Pct Red_Sea 0.91 Pct South_Asian 0.18 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 0.75 Pct Amerindian 0.18 Pct Oceanian 0.81 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.06 Pct

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Vranje is most Southern place of Serbia , i think results will be close to South Montenegrins.
Btw i just got kit from Tetovo thats just 60 km west from Kumanovo.

A154390
This also score South_Asian :D

Code:

North_Atlantic 22.35 Pct Baltic 23.26 Pct West_Med 18.29 Pct West_Asian 9.49 Pct East_Med 23.71 Pct Red_Sea 0.91 Pct South_Asian 0.18 Pct East_Asian - Siberian 0.75 Pct Amerindian 0.18 Pct Oceanian 0.81 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.06 Pct

That's a trace amount, some people without Gypsy ancestry can score even more than 2% (especially today when the SNP count of raw data files has decreased). Anyway, Tetovo also borders Serbia, but it's connected with Kosovo and not the Pčinja district. Yet, while north of Kumanovo there is no geographic barrier, Tetovo is seperated from Kosovo by the Šar mountain, so there should be a much sharper cline over there.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

That's a trace amount, some people without Gypsy ancestry can score even more than 2% (especially today when the SNP count of raw data files has decreased). Anyway, Tetovo also borders Serbia, but it's connected with Kosovo and not the Pčinja district. Yet, while north of Kumanovo there is no geographic barrier, Tetovo is seperated from Kosovo by the Šar mountain, so there should be a much sharper cline over there.

Yeah , im Half Serbian(Zrenjanin-Vranje) half Macedonian from Kumanovo , 26 Baltic.22 North_Atl 17 west 20 east med 10 west_asia.Im testing my Macedonian parent rightnow and i will post results within 3 weeks.
Im clustering with SouthEast Serbs.

Macedonian Gedmatch kits - 28