Macedonian Gedmatch kits - 28

[JohnnyP]

ok, that's why i heckin asked you. how could i have known that? i assumed maybe the first kit should removed, and the rest can be added to the Northwest Macedonian average. i didn't know they were that bad.

I have 5 Northwest kits , no more than 23 Baltic almost all are with 22 and one 19.
Skopje kits no more than 24 , and Serbo-Macedonian kits from Skopje with 25-26, also i have from Kumanovo my friend half Serbian with 27, me half serbian 26.
I will not put in average Serbo-Macedonians,just for record just full Macedonians, also these guys are recognized theirselfs like Serbs even they are half Macedonians.
Just to make you clear, these Serbo-Macedonians clustering with Southeast Serbs.
If you dont have fully ethnical Macedonians with informations, dont post,fully Macedonian kits from any region are not even close to Serbian.
Dont get me wrong.

Edit : Regions like Skopje and Kumanovo have assimilated many Serbs thats not pure regions but mostly of these mixed guys recognized theirselfs like Serbs not Macedonians.
*Please i dont want to ruin this thread with more discussion.This is for Macedonian gedmatch KITs.
Thanks!

[Lioncourt]

Full Macedonian from Kumanovo (most North part of Country) - K13 Eurogenes reference Macedonian_North.

Population	 
North_Atlantic	20.21 Pct
Baltic	24.00 Pct
West_Med	21.25 Pct
West_Asian	10.02 Pct
East_Med	21.18 Pct
Red_Sea	2.53 Pct
South_Asian	-
East_Asian	0.81 Pct
Siberian	-    
Amerindian	-    
Oceanian	-
Northeast_African	-
Sub-Saharan	-

This guy has typical Bulgarian results, higher Baltic and lower North Atlantic. Are these typical results for the North, Kumanovo and Kriva Palanka?

[JohnnyP]

This guy has typical Bulgarian results, higher Baltic and lower North Atlantic. Are these typical results for the North, Kumanovo and Kriva Palanka?

I doont have many from full ethnic Macedonians from Kumanovo , i have from region close to Kumanovo and from Northeast Village German.
Region Vratnica close to Kumanovo

Population	 
North_Atlantic	20.69 Pct
Baltic	22.74 Pct
West_Med	19.55 Pct
West_Asian	8.65 Pct
East_Med	25.35 Pct
Red_Sea	0.91 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	-    
Siberian	0.90 Pct
Amerindian	0.67 Pct
Oceanian	0.30 Pct
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	0.24 Pct

Village German close to Kratovo

Population	 
North_Atlantic	22.42 Pct
Baltic	22.28 Pct
West_Med	18.15 Pct
West_Asian	8.99 Pct
East_Med	25.37 Pct
Red_Sea	0.38 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	0.95 Pct
Siberian	-    
Amerindian	0.73 Pct
Oceanian	0.73 Pct
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	-

Isn it Bulgarians score low West Med and higher West Asian than Macedonians ?

[Lioncourt]

I doont have many from full ethnic Macedonians from Kumanovo , i have from region close to Kumanovo and from Northeast Village German.
Region Vratnica close to Kumanovo

Population	 
North_Atlantic	20.69 Pct
Baltic	22.74 Pct
West_Med	19.55 Pct
West_Asian	8.65 Pct
East_Med	25.35 Pct
Red_Sea	0.91 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	-    
Siberian	0.90 Pct
Amerindian	0.67 Pct
Oceanian	0.30 Pct
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	0.24 Pct

Village German close to Kratovo

Population	 
North_Atlantic	22.42 Pct
Baltic	22.28 Pct
West_Med	18.15 Pct
West_Asian	8.99 Pct
East_Med	25.37 Pct
Red_Sea	0.38 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	0.95 Pct
Siberian	-    
Amerindian	0.73 Pct
Oceanian	0.73 Pct
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	-

Isn it Bulgarians score low West Med and higher West Asian than Macedonians ?

Yes, and also lower East Med.

These two have higher East Med and lower West Asian thaan any Bulgarian I have seen.

[JohnnyP]

Yes, and also lower East Med.

These two have higher East Med and lower West Asian thaan any Bulgarian I have seen.

Yeah these two results are pretty much same , one is from Northwest one from Northeast

[JohnnyP]

A964713	-  Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece)
M737359    - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) - I2a2 
T392632	-  Zhelevo(Northwest Greece) - Prilep.
XK5081727 
M055584	 -  Veles - EV-13  
M517367	 -  Veles
T308882	 - Skopje.
H414329      - Tetovo
A735427	
A872089	
T130034      - Tetovo
NB2171591	 - Florina - Skopje
ET3431273	 - Florina - Skopje

K15 PCA


K13 Population

A964713	-  Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece)
North_Atlantic	20.55 Pct
Baltic	23.19 Pct
West_Med	20.18 Pct
West_Asian	10.94 Pct
East_Med	21.36 Pct
Red_Sea	2.44 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	-    
Siberian	0.71 Pct
Amerindian	0.31 Pct
Oceanian	-    
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	0.32 Pct

M737359    - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) - I2a2 
North_Atlantic	22.02 Pct
Baltic	21.71 Pct
West_Med	21.32 Pct
West_Asian	9.84 Pct
East_Med	21.69 Pct
Red_Sea	2.18 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	0.43 Pct
Siberian	0.11 Pct
Amerindian	0.70 Pct
Oceanian	-    
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	-   

T392632	-  Zhelevo(Northwest Greece) - Prilep.
North_Atlantic	21.83 Pct
Baltic	20.04 Pct
West_Med	23.42 Pct
West_Asian	12.14 Pct
East_Med	17.98 Pct
Red_Sea	2.16 Pct
South_Asian	0.06 Pct
East_Asian	0.65 Pct
Siberian	0.08 Pct
Amerindian	0.30 Pct
Oceanian	0.97 Pct
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	0.36 Pct

XK5081727 
North_Atlantic	23.01 Pct
Baltic	21.19 Pct
West_Med	19.89 Pct
West_Asian	9.14 Pct
East_Med	24.69 Pct
Red_Sea	0.98 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	0.85 Pct
Siberian	-    
Amerindian	0.27 Pct
Oceanian	-    
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	- 

M055584	 -  Veles - EV-13 
North_Atlantic	20.74 Pct
Baltic	23.68 Pct
West_Med	18.62 Pct
West_Asian	13.68 Pct
East_Med	20.18 Pct
Red_Sea	0.34 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	0.58 Pct
Siberian	0.93 Pct
Amerindian	-    
Oceanian	1.25 Pct
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	-   

M517367	 -  Veles
North_Atlantic	23.34 Pct
Baltic	19.96 Pct
West_Med	20.68 Pct
West_Asian	12.16 Pct
East_Med	20.73 Pct
Red_Sea	1.73 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	-    
Siberian	0.27 Pct
Amerindian	0.07 Pct
Oceanian	1.05 Pct
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	-

T308882	 - Skopje. 
North_Atlantic	20.76 Pct
Baltic	24.41 Pct
West_Med	19.04 Pct
West_Asian	9.91 Pct
East_Med	19.38 Pct
Red_Sea	4.89 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	0.06 Pct
Siberian	-    
Amerindian	0.70 Pct
Oceanian	0.86 Pct
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	- 

H414329      - Tetovo
North_Atlantic	22.37 Pct
Baltic	24.61 Pct
West_Med	17.96 Pct
West_Asian	12.79 Pct
East_Med	17.02 Pct
Red_Sea	4.02 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	0.28 Pct
Siberian	-    
Amerindian	-    
Oceanian	0.57 Pct
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	0.37 Pct

A735427	
North_Atlantic	22.39 Pct
Baltic	19.09 Pct
West_Med	20.37 Pct
West_Asian	11.30 Pct
East_Med	22.76 Pct
Red_Sea	2.82 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	-    
Siberian	0.81 Pct
Amerindian	0.46 Pct
Oceanian	-    
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	- 

A872089	
North_Atlantic	17.12 Pct
Baltic	21.26 Pct
West_Med	23.19 Pct
West_Asian	13.10 Pct
East_Med	20.69 Pct
Red_Sea	2.95 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	-    
Siberian	0.87 Pct
Amerindian	0.71 Pct
Oceanian	-    
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	0.09 Pct

T130034 - Tetovo
North_Atlantic	24.32 Pct
Baltic	19.78 Pct
West_Med	19.27 Pct
West_Asian	11.46 Pct
East_Med	21.06 Pct
Red_Sea	2.55 Pct
South_Asian	0.31 Pct
East_Asian	-    
Siberian	-    
Amerindian	-    
Oceanian	1.25 Pct
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	-  

NB2171591	 - Florina - Skopje
North_Atlantic	21.99 Pct
Baltic	21.43 Pct
West_Med	18.89 Pct
West_Asian	9.32 Pct
East_Med	24.39 Pct
Red_Sea	2.60 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	-    
Siberian	0.65 Pct
Amerindian	0.68 Pct
Oceanian	0.05 Pct
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	-  

ET3431273	 - Florina - Skopje
North_Atlantic	25.16 Pct
Baltic	20.40 Pct
West_Med	16.41 Pct
West_Asian	8.82 Pct
East_Med	26.46 Pct
Red_Sea	1.98 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	-    
Siberian	-    
Amerindian	0.54 Pct
Oceanian	0.21 Pct
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	-

[Lioncourt]

Samples Hemus, Struma and Maritza (Grandparents from Kaloyanovo) are from Hisarya also. All Orthodox.
Gaida, Maritza and Iskar are all V-13 if someone cares about that.

Very interesting. Struma is maybe the most western ploting Bulgarian I've seen. Hemus as well is more western than average.

[Vojnik]

A964713    -  Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece)
M737359    - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) - I2a2 
T392632    -  Zhelevo(Northwest Greece) - Prilep.
XK5081727 
M055584     -  Veles - EV-13  
M517367     -  Veles
T308882     - Skopje.
H414329      - Tetovo
A735427    
A872089    
T130034      - Tetovo
NB2171591     - Florina - Skopje
ET3431273     - Florina - Skopje

K15 PCA


K13 Population

A964713    -  Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece)
North_Atlantic    20.55 Pct
Baltic    23.19 Pct
West_Med    20.18 Pct
West_Asian    10.94 Pct
East_Med    21.36 Pct
Red_Sea    2.44 Pct
South_Asian    -    
East_Asian    -    
Siberian    0.71 Pct
Amerindian    0.31 Pct
Oceanian    -    
Northeast_African    -    
Sub-Saharan    0.32 Pct

M737359    - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) - I2a2 
North_Atlantic    22.02 Pct
Baltic    21.71 Pct
West_Med    21.32 Pct
West_Asian    9.84 Pct
East_Med    21.69 Pct
Red_Sea    2.18 Pct
South_Asian    -    
East_Asian    0.43 Pct
Siberian    0.11 Pct
Amerindian    0.70 Pct
Oceanian    -    
Northeast_African    -    
Sub-Saharan    -   

T392632    -  Zhelevo(Northwest Greece) - Prilep.
North_Atlantic    21.83 Pct
Baltic    20.04 Pct
West_Med    23.42 Pct
West_Asian    12.14 Pct
East_Med    17.98 Pct
Red_Sea    2.16 Pct
South_Asian    0.06 Pct
East_Asian    0.65 Pct
Siberian    0.08 Pct
Amerindian    0.30 Pct
Oceanian    0.97 Pct
Northeast_African    -    
Sub-Saharan    0.36 Pct

XK5081727 
North_Atlantic    23.01 Pct
Baltic    21.19 Pct
West_Med    19.89 Pct
West_Asian    9.14 Pct
East_Med    24.69 Pct
Red_Sea    0.98 Pct
South_Asian    -    
East_Asian    0.85 Pct
Siberian    -    
Amerindian    0.27 Pct
Oceanian    -    
Northeast_African    -    
Sub-Saharan    - 

M055584     -  Veles - EV-13 
North_Atlantic    20.74 Pct
Baltic    23.68 Pct
West_Med    18.62 Pct
West_Asian    13.68 Pct
East_Med    20.18 Pct
Red_Sea    0.34 Pct
South_Asian    -    
East_Asian    0.58 Pct
Siberian    0.93 Pct
Amerindian    -    
Oceanian    1.25 Pct
Northeast_African    -    
Sub-Saharan    -   

M517367     -  Veles
North_Atlantic    23.34 Pct
Baltic    19.96 Pct
West_Med    20.68 Pct
West_Asian    12.16 Pct
East_Med    20.73 Pct
Red_Sea    1.73 Pct
South_Asian    -    
East_Asian    -    
Siberian    0.27 Pct
Amerindian    0.07 Pct
Oceanian    1.05 Pct
Northeast_African    -    
Sub-Saharan    -

T308882     - Skopje. 
North_Atlantic    20.76 Pct
Baltic    24.41 Pct
West_Med    19.04 Pct
West_Asian    9.91 Pct
East_Med    19.38 Pct
Red_Sea    4.89 Pct
South_Asian    -    
East_Asian    0.06 Pct
Siberian    -    
Amerindian    0.70 Pct
Oceanian    0.86 Pct
Northeast_African    -    
Sub-Saharan    - 

H414329      - Tetovo
North_Atlantic    22.37 Pct
Baltic    24.61 Pct
West_Med    17.96 Pct
West_Asian    12.79 Pct
East_Med    17.02 Pct
Red_Sea    4.02 Pct
South_Asian    -    
East_Asian    0.28 Pct
Siberian    -    
Amerindian    -    
Oceanian    0.57 Pct
Northeast_African    -    
Sub-Saharan    0.37 Pct

A735427    
North_Atlantic    22.39 Pct
Baltic    19.09 Pct
West_Med    20.37 Pct
West_Asian    11.30 Pct
East_Med    22.76 Pct
Red_Sea    2.82 Pct
South_Asian    -    
East_Asian    -    
Siberian    0.81 Pct
Amerindian    0.46 Pct
Oceanian    -    
Northeast_African    -    
Sub-Saharan    - 

A872089    
North_Atlantic    17.12 Pct
Baltic    21.26 Pct
West_Med    23.19 Pct
West_Asian    13.10 Pct
East_Med    20.69 Pct
Red_Sea    2.95 Pct
South_Asian    -    
East_Asian    -    
Siberian    0.87 Pct
Amerindian    0.71 Pct
Oceanian    -    
Northeast_African    -    
Sub-Saharan    0.09 Pct

T130034 - Tetovo
North_Atlantic    24.32 Pct
Baltic    19.78 Pct
West_Med    19.27 Pct
West_Asian    11.46 Pct
East_Med    21.06 Pct
Red_Sea    2.55 Pct
South_Asian    0.31 Pct
East_Asian    -    
Siberian    -    
Amerindian    -    
Oceanian    1.25 Pct
Northeast_African    -    
Sub-Saharan    -  

NB2171591     - Florina - Skopje
North_Atlantic    21.99 Pct
Baltic    21.43 Pct
West_Med    18.89 Pct
West_Asian    9.32 Pct
East_Med    24.39 Pct
Red_Sea    2.60 Pct
South_Asian    -    
East_Asian    -    
Siberian    0.65 Pct
Amerindian    0.68 Pct
Oceanian    0.05 Pct
Northeast_African    -    
Sub-Saharan    -  

ET3431273     - Florina - Skopje
North_Atlantic    25.16 Pct
Baltic    20.40 Pct
West_Med    16.41 Pct
West_Asian    8.82 Pct
East_Med    26.46 Pct
Red_Sea    1.98 Pct
South_Asian    -    
East_Asian    -    
Siberian    -    
Amerindian    0.54 Pct
Oceanian    0.21 Pct
Northeast_African    -    
Sub-Saharan    -

Who's the one sitting to the closest left hand side of the Bulgarian average, just above the 'B'? That person is literally smack bang on my position.

And are the Skopje - Florina samples people with ancestry from Lerin?

[Jana]

can you rank these groups in order according to who is genetically closest to slavophone Macedonians?

Bulgarians
Macedonian Greeks
Aromanians/Vlachs
SE Serbs
Albanians
Wallachian/Dobrogean Romanians

[Vojnik]

can you rank these groups in order according to who is genetically closest to slavophone Macedonians?

Bulgarians
Macedonian Greeks
Aromanians/Vlachs
SE Serbs
Albanians

I'd guess North Greeks of Slavic Macedonian ancestry (Grkomani) are closest. But ill leave it to the boss here.