No, but those doing what I said should try to explain then why a Sicilian is genetically European and a Jew not, and why a Muslim Balkanian and a Cypriot are culturally European but Jews are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beorn
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No, but those doing what I said should try to explain then why a Sicilian is genetically European and a Jew not, and why a Muslim Balkanian and a Cypriot are culturally European but Jews are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beorn
No Beorn, I was merely pointing out that it is much better to have them on our side than against us. Damn, if you can't see that then there's really no hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beorn
It doesn't automatically mean they're excepted as European.
I see. At least the ones not identifying with Europe (so not on our side) are moving out of it then. People need to know where their loyalties lie, we have enough of our own peoples who are unsure of this.Quote:
Many European Jews think like me, many are clueless, and some (mainly the super religious) are distrusting of everyone aside from others like them (e.i. other super religious Jews). Generally, those who are not religious and don't identify as European move to Israel. That tends to be the catalyst.
I know it's a stereotype, but I thought they were against it and in love with America. Maybe it is just people taking the Palestinian side which they hate I guess.Quote:
Israelis love Europe. Israeli culture is quite Westernised, as it was founded by European Jews. Having been to Israel before, I can say confidently that Israel would stand by Europe in a heartbeat against Islam.
Some black Jews were taken to Israel years ago. I presumed them just to be an exception because they're Jewish in faith.Quote:
Liberal Jews, be they religious or not, tend to support multiculturalism. But I tend to find that all liberals support multiculturalism.
Multiculturalism is destroying every group it is present in and needs to be stamped out.
Like I said, it does seem very daft, but I've seen it written on here before.Quote:
I personally have not met one single Jewish person who supports Muslim immigration to Europe.
I certainly am. Jews are NOT European regardless of how they look.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nglund
That guy could very well be one hundred percent Sicilian (and probably is). Whether US Racial Inspectors accept him or not hardly changes the fact that he IS a Native European. People like him exist not just in Italy but also in Greece, Cyprus and a few parts of the Balkans and there is nothing wrong with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunor
How? The Nuremberg laws specifically pointed out their jewishness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beorn
Who considers Muslim Balkanians to be European? Most European preservationists certainly don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clementina
As for Cyprus, I am sure most Greek Cypriots identify strongly with Greek Orthodox culture.
That appearance could not exist in a European who does not have considerable West Asian influence, well above the average for a European nation. Hence why it appears in the places you named, and why those ethnicities cluster not well within the European cluster but on the edge of it (and Cypriots not even within it).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hess
Yes, Israel absorbed a large number of Jews from Ethiopia. These people have a very hard time in Israel even though Israel is very racially diverse. White Ashkenazis of European descent run the show in Israel. White genes always float to the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albion
If it were true Ethnic European Muslims are not European, then why aren't all non-Christians on the continent considered non-European?
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Who considers Muslim Balkanians to be European? Most European preservationists certainly don't.
Okay. I'm with you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Clementina
Why? Are we that outnumbered that we have to resort to importing hired mercenaries?Quote:
Originally Posted by Albion
right, and this is why I always say that all these fancy genetic charts are bollocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clementina
Greeks are not just Europeans, they are the root of Western civilization and no Dodecad or Mcdnonald graph is going to convince me otherwise.
The way they look is not the point. You are consequently labelling German war veterans as non-European.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hess
Jewish place in Europe
Can a Jew be English?: No, we are our own ethnicity.
Can a Jew be British?: Yes, as a citizen (they have a British passport), but the concept of a British ethnic group includes only the native British peoples (English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish, Cornish, Manx, Channel Islanders).
Are Jews European?: Undecided. Ashkenazi are the most likely group if any are accepted, the rest have no chance.
They're very Europeanised at least, so I'll call them "Europeanised" for now.
What about people with minor Jewish ancestry?: Depends upon the majority of their ancestry, if they are mainly of British ancestry and identify as British or one of the native ethnicities then I'd regard them as British.
Non-religious Jews?: The same rules apply, although they'd probably assimilate into the general population over time if they mixed with non-Jews.
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Origins of the Jews
Levantine and North Caucasian. Ashkenazi are probably more North Caucasian than Levantine.
Do they identify as Jews? If so, then they are Non-European. If they identify as Europeans, it is of course different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nglund
I wasn't implying anything about Greeks for the genetic part.. they are significantly Neolithic but unlike other groups mentioned are not (at least in part) descended from well-established Semitic groups like Phoenicians and Assyrians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hess
There are those on the Continent who will disagree, as well as some American Anglophiles. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Albion
No one disputes the English are European apart from the English themselves.
The defining moment in recent history was when Churchill said the British are of Europe but not of it and told Charles De Gaulle Britain would always side with America over France. De Gaulle returned the favor by vetoing Britain's entry into the Common Market multiple times.
I agree in part, but I have seen polling that indicates the British, particularly the younger ones, see their future more in Europe than with America. That may be switching back now though with the clusterfuck that is the EU crisis.Quote:
The English europhiles are a minority (I use the term "europhile" to refer to the EU and European federalism, not Europe the continent). They tend to be the worst sorts of people, not a patriotic bone in their body and usually quite traitorous.
They're a pessimistic bunch and all their arguments are based around the apparent strength European unity would create. However, most English people are centre right and against further EU integration and many are for leaving the EU and repairing ties to the Anglosphere.
The American media might report us to be a load of Europhiles, but it is hardly the case.
In any case, there is little doubt where Americans stand here. Americans are very pro-British and much less pro-Europe (though we're that too). Hopefully Britain won't turn on us.
Those were Sephardim. Can there be any doubt where people like Milch stood - and that even in a rabidly anti-Semitic state? Over time the Jewish input could be diluted even more.Quote:
An interesting idea, but I doubt Jews would just forget their religion. They'd hide it as they did in Spain.
More like SouthWest Asian ie Arabian component, he is exotic to be honest in the Caucasus, he can not fit in Georgia or Armenia let alone CircassiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Clementina
Traitors exist in all races. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercury
No, but I'd rather us have a few less enemies and a few more people who'd watch our back. It isn't a difficult concept.Quote:
Why? Are we that outnumbered that we have to resort to importing hired mercenaries?
Fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albion
What do you mean when you ask: are jews European? Are you using that as a synonym for "white". If so would you consider white Americans to be European? These questions are for anyone who has been discussing whether or not jews are Europeans and anyone on any side of that issue.
It might have been better had I said "Semitic" instead of West Asian.Quote:
Originally Posted by CircassianWine
Good point. White =/= European.Quote:
Originally Posted by ariaka
Fancy genetics charts are bollocks? But then what decides who is European, if not a shared genetic heritage and culture?
(And culture can be learned, too. A negroid who speaks Queen's English and graduates from Oxford is still not an European.)
That's just evidence to how racially mixed the Sicilians are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hess
People like him are a result of Non-European contamination, and there's clearly something wrong with that. I wouldn't want any pure Europeans ("white people") to mix with that guy and reproduce.Quote:
People like him exist not just in Italy but also in Greece, Cyprus and a few parts of the Balkans and there is nothing wrong with that.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albion
so why imply they are British citizens? You may as well call them kin and be done with it.Quote:
Can a Jew be British?: Yes, as a citizen (they have a British passport), but the concept of a British ethnic group includes only the native British peoples (English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish, Cornish, Manx, Channel Islanders).
You had trouble considering them as British a minute a go, now they are "undecided" Europeans?Quote:
Are Jews European?: Undecided. Ashkenazi are the most likely group if any are accepted, the rest have no chance.
They're very Europeanised at least, so I'll call them "Europeanised" for now.
Till you broach the subject of their particular ancestry. :thumb001:Quote:
What about people with minor Jewish ancestry?: Depends upon the majority of their ancestry, if they are mainly of British ancestry and identify as British or one of the native ethnicities then I'd regard them as British.
Bah! Assimilation. John Barnes is assimilated. Just see how well assimilated he was the other day.Quote:
Non-religious Jews?: The same rules apply, although they'd probably assimilate into the general population over time if they mixed with non-Jews.
You're correct about "non-European" input, but it's not racial mixture. Middle Easterners are Caucasoids. That man is not the result of Negroid or Mongoloid input.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunor
LOL! Let's make room for non-English people. At least they'll go onto have non-English children. So preservationist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albion
No, we are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ariaka
Indeed, since the Semitic is the dubbed term for the SouthWest Asian component, and this is a non-European component, being distinct and it peaks in the Arabian Desert tribesmen, often found in unaltered forms. There is no way that SouthWest Asian/Semitic admix in Sicily is neolthic everything points to it being recent, and it's due to the conquest of Central Arabian tribes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clementina
That's why the semi-official term "Europid" exists in the first place, to describe the racial types in Europe. Caucasoid is a huge racial category and basically includes everything that is not Negroid or Mongoloid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clementina
The majority of Middle-Easterners are not racially Europid. Anyone can see that Osama bin Laden is not an European.
Oh well, screw 'em. ;)Quote:
There are those on the Continent who will disagree, as well as some American Anglophiles. ;)
Europe is seen as the Soviet Union was seen in the past, as the trendy alternative to America. People like an underdog, especially far left students. Fortunately most grow up.Quote:
I agree in part, but I have seen polling that indicates the British, particularly the younger ones, see their future more in Europe than with America. That may be switching back now though with the clusterfuck that is the EU crisis.
I doubt Britain will turn against America.Quote:
In any case, there is little doubt where Americans stand here. Americans are very pro-British and much less pro-Europe (though we're that too). Hopefully Britain won't turn on us.
I define "pure European" as any person of wholly European descent. Greeks, South Italians, and a few other groups have a significant percentage of W+SW Asian admix (From Antiquity), but that doesn't change the fact that they are Europeans whether we like it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunor
We can't just excommunicate parts of Europe because we feel that they aren't "pure" enough by dubious nordicist racial standards.
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Europe is seen as the Soviet Union was seen in the past, as the trendy alternative to America. People like an underdog, especially far left students. Fortunately most grow up.
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I'm not so sure. I see a lot of lost causes. :(
I agree. And White Americans certainly are not Europeans. And there certainly are jews who happen to be White. Furthermore though I would classify European jews as being European unless they choose to migrate to a new homeland. But the question of whether or not a jew is white is different than the question of whether or not a jew can be classified as European. A white jew in America is white but that jew is not European, he or she would be American.Quote:
Originally Posted by PetiteParisienne
And just to be clear being of European ancestry is part of the identity of a White American however having European ancestry does not make them Europeans. White Americans are not Europeans. White Americans are Americans.
I hadn't realised America had yet to enjoy the marvels of DNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by ariaka
I agree with you. But I'll compare it to the situation of when someone uses an Ethiopian as an example of "African diversity" and "black beauty" without acknowledging that Ethiopians are not just light-skinned, fine featured Africans but rather Kushitic-Semitic hybrids who have much Arabian influence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hess
Btw someone mentioned Bin Laden.. he is 1/4 Ethiopian himself.
I can agree with that. Well done. You are always the voice of reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by ariaka
I'd like to address Beorn here. He/she/whatever would rather send me dickish comments via negative rep - in private - where they cannot be seen. I, however, am not a coward.
ALORS. Beorn, have the balls to treat me like an arse in front of everyone else. I don't mind.
Correct, he is 1/4 Ethiopian through his grandmother. He was also part Syrian through his mom and his height and looks are not really typical in Arabia. He was a giant compared to most Arabians. Arabians most often tend to be of short stature, dark skinned, and often don't grow full beards, and have almost no hair on their bodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clementina
I had no idea. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by CircassianWine
I hadn't realised that where ever you are from had yet to enjoy the marvels of geography. But to be serious, the issue of differentiating a European from an American is cultural. There is a major difference between various American cultures and the various cultures of Europe. And culture is a major factor in identity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beorn
LOL! I'm sorry that you're on a European forum and talking shit about Europeans. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by PetiteParisienne
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Originally Posted by ariaka
Ah, so like the rest of the fucking idiots posting on this thread, you miss entirely the notion of 'racial European'.
Okay! :)