Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by cosmoo

I2a1b couldn't be said to have arrived "in scores" compared to native Balkanites.
I'm not haplo-nationalist either, just pointing out to some logical fallacies used to spread idea of particular one's "superiority".

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I2a1b is very small - Balkan slavs are mostly slavicised indigenous Balkanites. It was a huge push westwards on Scythians, Ostrogoths and Alans by Huns. We are talking about 100 AD - all these communities intermingled....indigenous I2, Scythians , Ostrogoths , Alans, Cumans and Avars over half a millenia of morphing before their migration southwards in 6th century AD.. all these communities developed their own tribes eventually. As an example look at America and its morph...they all spoke a loose Germanic language but English became the language.. this is not so much different... they are slavicised like americans are angliczed

Take Bulgrians for example that did not speak Slavic when they first arrived to the Balkans. R1a and R1b is more Asiatic than I and J.

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

I2a1b is very small - Balkan slavs are mostly slavicised indigenous Balkanites. It was a huge push westwards on Scythians, Ostrogoths and Alans by Huns. We are talking about 100 AD - all these communities intermingled....indigenous I2, Scythians , Ostrogoths , Alans, Cumans and Avars over half a millenia of morphing before their migration southwards in 6th century AD.. all these communities developed their own tribes eventually. As an example look at America and its morph...they all spoke a loose Germanic language but English became the language.. this is not so much different... they are slavicised like americans are angliczed

Take Bulgrians for example that did not speak Slavic when they first arrived to the Balkans. R1a and R1b is more Asiatic than I and J.

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That is some pretty slick attempt at turning a hellenized-bulgar into a slavified-greek, and you aint fooling anyone, Asen.

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

That is some pretty slick attempt at turning a hellenized-bulgar into a slavified-greek, and you aint fooling anyone, Asen.

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Did you just reply to me?

I wonder why - have I hurt your feelings have I?.... here have a cookie. Now now. :patpat:

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:clap::clap: Sorcelow :clap::clap:

With this thread you managed, not only the common Greeks vs Albanians, but also Greeks vs Greeks and Albanians vs Albanians :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

Begone, witless worm , and hear the truth that shall set you free at last:



Chapter 2 in Noel Malcolm's Kosovo, a short history (Macmilan, London, 1998, p. 22-40)

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http://www.albanianhistory.net/1000_Origins-of-Nations/
Where are the servs among the nations? I don't see.
http://www.albanianhistory.net/1332_...age/index.html
Here you have the ethnic composition of Kingdom of servia.
All this are primary sources. OK?

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

This is not about looks at all, so there is no reason to go there. I don't know what your oral tradition is about this, but i respect it, even if I am skeptical. I don't have time to go into it deeply, but I did recall enough to retrieve this quote about Northwest Greece and South Albania:



and that:



Culture, Civilization, and Demarcation at the Northwest Borders of Greece
Author(s): Laurie Kain Hart
Source: American Ethnologist, Vol. 26, No. 1 (Feb., 1999)

And we all know that Muslim(Albanian, Turkish, or Greek) males could and did intermarry with whoever they pleased, as a general rule- in Epirus as elsewhere.

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To prove that your post is the biggest BS, i will ask you to quote the name of only one single serv intellectual, in the period described by this author.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

To prove that your post is the biggest BS, i will ask you to quote the name of only one single serv intellectual, in the period described by this author.

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lol toxic rat, did a different opinion from your national myth dismay ya? youre a big boy, you can handle that someone somewhere said something positive about a serb and didn't find the need to even mention an albanian. It isn't the end of the world. Oh, and mention of Serbs predates mention of Albanians, Arvanites, Arnauts, Arvanon, Arbereshe, Raban, Laban, etc. and so on...They are mentioned in Constantine's Administrisio di imperio, which I'd post, but you'll just ignore. You can just call them Slavs, if you prefer. Slavs were in Kosovo and North Albania in the 7th Century. Those Slavs, if they weren't already, would become Serbs. (and presumably, some of em would be come Albanians)

I don't see how a fragment of a source from the 11th century is a primary source for the 7th century. Do you understand what primary means? It means contermpoary, and we have very very few of them.

"This one disputed text from the 11th century doesn't mention Serbs at all, therefore Serbs didn't exist during the 11th century."

The Serb and Greek e-historians who claim that Albanians didn't exist until the first documentation of Albanians are just one side of the coin of Balkan stupidity. It is never about a fair-minded dialectic towards truth, it's nothing but a manifestation of id through pseudo-intellectual shitflinging.

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

"This one disputed text from the 11th century doesn't mention Serbs at all, therefore Serbs didn't exist during the 11th century."

The Serb and Greek e-historians who claim that Albanians didn't exist until the first documentation of Albanians are just one side of the coin of Balkan stupidity. It is never about a fair-minded dialectic towards truth, it's nothing but a manifestation of id through pseudo-intellectual shitflinging.

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I doubt it - Albanians existed as people most likely but certainly not under Albanians but something else.

Welcome to the world of I 20,000 years ago in Gravvetian culture of upper paleolithic

Ancestor: IJ
Descendants: I*, I1, I2
Mutations: L41, M170, M258, P19, P38, P212, U179



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ope20000ya.png

Cro Magnon expansion of 40,000 years ago

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._migration.gif

I bet my last penny Dorians were I + R1b

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

lol toxic rat, did a different opinion from your national myth dismay ya? youre a big boy, you can handle that someone somewhere said something positive about a serb and didn't find the need to even mention an albanian. It isn't the end of the world. Oh, and mention of Serbs predates mention of Albanians, Arvanites, Arnauts, Arvanon, Arbereshe, Raban, Laban, etc. and so on...They are mentioned in Constantine's Administrisio di imperio, which I'd post, but you'll just ignore. You can just call them Slavs, if you prefer. Slavs were in Kosovo and North Albania in the 7th Century. Those Slavs, if they weren't already, would become Serbs. (and presumably, some of em would be come Albanians)

I don't see how a fragment of a source from the 11th century is a primary source for the 7th century. Do you understand what primary means? It means contermpoary, and we have very very few of them.

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Sorry, but my question has nothing to do with your answer:

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Originally Posted by Laberia

To prove that your post is the biggest BS, i will ask you to quote the name of only one single serv intellectual, in the period described by this author.

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