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There are plenty of groups which determine membership matrilineally, from the Jew to the Cherokee to the Tibetan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
Thank you for proving my point.Quote:
Said a jewish Hamite, who everyday pretends to be english himself...
I want to know what happened to the C carriers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petalpusher
They were just small in number during EHG period, but later, when they grew, they dominated CWC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petalpusher
It is even logical, why they did not create a mishmash: because they have patriarchal system, what
means, that majority of subgroups did live separetely by the houses of their fathers. So, later bigger
groups were also separated. In the film which I putted, it is said, that all Yamnaya people were very
close related, and the migrations from BBC to Afanasievo had ancestors just 5-7 generations back.
So, it is not strage, that Yamna didn;t have too much R1a, becasue they were from different lineage.
But there also is one example of Yamnayan R1a - obviously some cousin, who coincidently died, when
he did visit his relatives, and was buried on their yard.
Just another R1b genocide before we even came to be. Ancient PIE scouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
Firstly, Jews are NOT matrylinear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
Secondly, do your kindergarten homework with the link, which I did recommend you.
Thirdly - where, and when I said anything against Cherokee or Tibetan, as they never
were a subject of disscussion, neither noone ever insist to disscuss this problem?
You are insane. You are making up stuff, to justify your fury, which you show every time, when you see a word paternal or patrilinear.
The fact that you hate your own father, really is not a reason, to impute to everyone, that 99% of people live wrongly, or that whole
history, religions, tradition, customs or just human instincts are wrong. Thou are not the measurement of everything. Wake up.
Firstly, yes they are, cope, secondly it's not relevant whether or not one group is or isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
As I explained to you, the Rabbi doesn't support you, as saying 'once upon a time, Jews were probably patrilineal' is very far from agreeing with your entire worldview. Once upon a time many groups which are now patrilineal were matrilineal, for example a huge amount of groups in Central Africa. I doubt you would advocate for them to return to tradition.Quote:
Secondly, do your kindergarten homework with the link, which I did recommend you.
Thirdly - where, and when I said anything against Cherokee or Tibetan, as they never
were a subject of disscussion, neither noone ever insist to disscuss this problem?
Besides, his opinion is only his opinion.
https://blogs-images.forbes.com/phil...nd-Freud-2.jpgQuote:
You are insane. You are making up stuff, to justify your fury, which you show every time, when you see a word paternal or patrilinear.
The fact that you hate your own father,
I love my father. You just hate your mother, all women, and Jews in particular.
>implying that 99% of people believe what you believeQuote:
really is not a reason, to impute to everyone, that 99% of people live wrongly, or that whole
history, religions, tradition, customs or just human instincts are wrong.
45% of Poles aren't R1a. Yet, they believe themselves to be Poles. Same for most if not all ethnicities (ie, a huge minority or even majority aren't from the dominant YDNA group). You pretending everyone agrees with you is fooling no one, not even yourself.
Realistically not even 1% of people would agree with you. A few more % might have a vague concept of patrilineal patrimony but none of them would marry that up to YDNA and none of them would marry that up to your biblical literacy.
Ironic.Quote:
Thou are not the measurement of everything. Wake up.
I am now putting you on my ignore list, as I find you annoying and cyclical in addition to seriously mentally unbalanced. Hopefully this does something tangible, but knowing this site, it won't do anything. I would wish you a good life and a good wife, but I don't think you should or will ever date, so I wish you a swift, merciful and painless death.
I agree. ADNA is more accurate.
How come you still don't know yours. Just order a goddamn FTDNA kit now, there is still a Christmas sale going on there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Babak
yep.
Y-DNA is literally what codofies tje biology of your masculinity.
While mitochondrias process sugars... Important too.
Guess where I am from? R-Z16539Quote:
Originally Posted by Damião de Góis
You all seem to know a lot about this, whereas I'm not so well versed in genetics. I'm curious if all races have about the same amount of variation in haplogroups or if there are any that have more variation than others? Thank you
Haplogroup deniers :picard1:
Tracing your paternal and maternal lineage and nothing else besides.
As an R person. What do you think R men should look like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Touijer
I need Katarzyna to participe in this thread and share her opinion about the importance of haplogroups!
It affects looks but around 20% so no distinctive look but to explain my point, it is not accurate to say that there is a distinctive R appearance, but the facts speak for themselves. The Y chromosome constitutes 2% of the entire genome, which implies that you share about 1.9% to 2% of your DNA with members of the same haplogroup, making you almost second cousins. You have thousands of mutations in common with people from your haplogroup, and blue eyes only require 2 mutations .Quote:
Originally Posted by Abti
The Y chromosome has 58 million base pairs that contain no junk DNA. The SRY gene that determines male characteristics and activates testes has only 1000 base pairs, representing 0.01% of the Y chromosome itself. It is a very small gene, and some people assume that the rest is irrelevant. You share a common ancestor with others who belong to your haplogroup.
Ethnic nationalism is a fallacy, and it entails rejecting haplogroup. In the past, there were tribes and R1b was one of them. They originated from Central Asia and migrated to Western Europe. If they were not patriarchal and tribal, you would find many R1b’s in Slavic countries, which is not the case. They moved as a collective. Yamnayas, Bell Beakers were all patriarchal, so R1b reflects that. They intermarried with local women and had offspring, etc. So we can say that R1b is like a sort of “family” .
Those who claim that haplogroup is irrelevant are wrong. You can only make such a claim if you ignore the genetic similarities that you share with other members of your haplogroup, as the Original poster did, who is Jewish and only considers matrilineal descent. However, this does not hold for some haplogroups that were patriarchal. If you are a J1, you have a second cousin level of DNA with most J1’s.
An African American R1b is closer to a French R1b than a Swedish I1. Again they share the same grandfather, they have 2% in common making them close to second cousins and have multiple mutations in common. There’s no denying this. How much could the French share with the Swede? 0.01%? What’s the point of pca charts? People will claim well he’s R1b that doesn’t make him European or white, but of course it doesn’t. Because European and White mean nothing genetically and holds no weight. The African or Mexican R1b is closer to other R1b’s genetically like a type of family. Remove ethnic nationalism from the equation because it’s useless.
Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touijer
She will just say that G is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beowulf
G knows how to hit her G spotQuote:
Originally Posted by kessaras
Pfffff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touijer
In short, please European R1b people accept me as your own because I have R1b y-dna.
Here is a quotation which sums up the whole haplogroup thing.
"Haplogroups don't really have an effect on your immediate traits, really they just show an ancient ancestor in either your direct female lineage or male lineage. There are traits associated with haplogroups, simply because they were dominant in certain areas of the world. For example, the most common haplogroups in Europe are R1A and R1B, simply because thousands of years ago these were the dominant males who had the most children, and so on. They are direct male ancestors, from father to son, same goes for female haplogroups, which are inherited directly from mother to daughter. Hope that sort of helped your conception of haplogroups, and just to reiterate, haplogroups have no affect on your traits. Only your recent ancestors do, their autosomal DNA is the DNA you're looking for. For simplicity sake, you can just look at your recent family and see if they have similar traits, like hair color and other features."
If G are so good. Why did I men replace them in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by kessaras
Wait a minute.. women don’t have a g spot!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
:rofl_002:Quote:
Originally Posted by Touijer
You blow Vjatych out of water in terms of trolling and being a circus clown. At least I am sure he doesn't deny dinosaurs existed.
Ask Katarzyna.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abti
No I obviously asked you.Quote:
Originally Posted by kessaras
I don't know. That's why I said ask Katarzyna.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abti
Denying facts? What are your arguments? You have none.Quote:
Originally Posted by kessaras
Most haplogroup deniers are either clueless, women or hate their haplogroup for some reason
The fact is you are close to second cousins and share close to 2% with everyone in your haplogroup, share the same grandfathers.
The African and French R1b's I mentioned come from the same tribe or family which was patriarchal. I don’t know about your haplogroup but that’s the case here and even if it wasn’t patriarchal genetically they are very close to each other like cousins. You can’t deny that. Which brings me back to my main point:
A French R1b is closer to an African-American R1b than to a Swedish I1. Your country has like 9 haplogroups so of course you’re denying since you don’t want to break the fragile Turkish nationalistic identity which is recent and has no weight .
https://i.postimg.cc/gc8Xk1zg/IMG-0485.jpg
Just because something is less spread doesn’t mean it’s good. Quality over quantity. When I talk about which haplogroup is best I talk about who subjectively fits for me as a partner to breed with.
Of course Y-haplogroups only carry an insignificant amount of DNA but they are still very special because the Y-chromosome is very special. Unlike the other chromosomes it doesn’t recombine much during the meiosis and therefore haplogroups can be traced back many generations. I think reproduction is one of the ultimative goals of life and keeping your bloodline alive. So as a woman you have to choose your partner’s haplogroup wisely. While the autosomal dna can be washed out after just a couple of generations, the Y-DNA can linger for very long. That’s how Finnish people share their haplogroup N with northern Asians while their autosomal DNA is almost fully European. Because those N-males married white women for generations but yet.. their Y chromosome remains
So I want to give my bloodline a meaningful haplogroup and I think that R1a, R1b and N can’t really satisfy it.
Am I, a Cushite J2, closer to a Nakh J2 than a Cushite E-M78?Quote:
Originally Posted by Touijer
My Y-DNA & Nakh Y-DNA
Cushite E-M78
Clearly I’m closer to Nakh peoples in paternal ancestry. But how did that happen? Why so rare? :shy:
what ik for sure that j2 isn't African its native middle eastern haplogroup very common among levantines\kurds\assyrians\jewish\persians\ even in arabia it is the largest haplogroup after j1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abti
i remove my compliment, I don’t agree with anything you sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Katarzyna
Haplogroups themselves don't make up a percentage of your genes, but they provide insights into the genetic variations and ancestry of specific lineages. Your %2 seems bs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touijer
My haplogroup is probably J2. Nevertheless, I need to wait at least two months to actually find out that. Abti can confirm that we will never consider ourselves as cousins and we are not.
I wouldn’t call a frequency between 10 & 20% J2 common for most of those ethnic groups besides native Levantine peoples who get 35% or more in J2. J-M172 has a deep affinity for the Transcaucasian sphere.Quote:
Originally Posted by mashail
You give me R1a vibes just like your friend Demarkazik.Quote:
Originally Posted by kessaras
So from the 3 categories I previously brought up, you fit in the clueless category.Quote:
Originally Posted by kessaras
Y Chromosome is 2% of your entire genome, and you share all of it with your father, the same mutations the same chromosome, the same chromosome which has no junk dna.
And if you turn out J2, depending on the subclade and number of mutations I’m happy to tell you that, you will indeed be cousins with Abti and he’ll be closest genetically to you than 70% of your fellow countryman. You’re grandfather will be the same as Abti’s grandfather while sharing around 1.9% genetically making you cousins.
People from my hometown turned out to be predominantly J2. We will see about that anyway. There is nothing certain. R1a-z93 is also possible for me. Demirkazık have slavic R1a. His tree is full of Russians. He is a Balkan (Bulgaria) Turk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abti
Where did you get tested? Have you taken any autosomal tests?Quote:
Originally Posted by kessaras
I am waiting for my FTDNA (Family Finder) kit to arrive. Currently it's being inspected at customs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abti