FTDNA - MyOrigins update

West Middle Eastern 41%
Asia Minor 30%
North Africa 3%
Sephardic Jew 22%
South east Asia 2%
South central asia 2%
eastern Europe 2%

jewish is a proxy for ancient levantine ancestry

For me, and some friends, few Trace Results changed from <2% to <1%, It looks a bit even now and "better".

Check yours;

I got the same update. it looks better for now.

Asia Minor 70%
Central Asia 16%
Sephardic 8%
West Middle East 4%
East Middle East < 2%

https://s20.postimg.org/k87vbdlrh/IM...620_101406.png

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Originally Posted by Potentia

I'm not all too sure that this is accurate.

As, I really don't think I have Eastern European Ancestry. Besides Iberian, I have German, British, and Norwegian ancestry.... Where did my British and German go?

Also, Asia Minor? I wonder if that could be my Sephardic Ancestry.

https://i.gyazo.com/d979836297fb0d6f...10ca460613.png

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cool results :)
maybe your german ancestors where from eastern germany ?
because eastern germans do score this eastern european component ...
regards
adam

FTDNA is rubbish compared to other major companies. For example, my girlfriend's 23andme pretty accurately represented her (1/4 British, 1/8 German (South Tyrol), 1/8 Italian, 1/2 Chinese). FTDNA gives her 40% SE Asia, 10% NE Asia, 28% Eastern Europe (?), 15% West Euro, only 6% British, trace Scando and SE Euro.

It's just an anecdote but we all know dozens of similarly barmy results.

did you try my heritage ?
if you do can you share your results in the forum
regards
adam

p.s
they{ ftdna my origins 2.0} notice your sefhardi
and also my sefhardi

maybe they read her german as eastern european and also west central euro

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

FTDNA is rubbish compared to other major companies. For example, my girlfriend's 23andme pretty accurately represented her (1/4 British, 1/8 German (South Tyrol), 1/8 Italian, 1/2 Chinese). FTDNA gives her 40% SE Asia, 10% NE Asia, 28% Eastern Europe (?), 15% West Euro, only 6% British, trace Scando and SE Euro.

It's just an anecdote but we all know dozens of similarly barmy results.

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The update is inexact on many points ...

Already, some Europeans get 1 to 5 (or even more) percent of Asia Minor origin (and this is not a "Moorish" origin); Finnish origin is not recognized as European and "Eastern Europe" also (although it depends on people?).

No sense...

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Originally Posted by kingjohn

did you try my heritage ?
if you do can you share your results in the forum
regards
adam

p.s
they{ ftdna my origins 2.0} notice your sefhardi
and also my sefhardi

maybe they read her german as eastern european and also west central euro

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12.5% vs 28% and even then they should not have done. They're terribly inaccurate.

My MyHeritage is amusing too.

Europe
94.6%
Ashkenazi Jewish
84.6% about correct
North and West Europe
10.0% lol wut
Irish, Scottish, and Welsh
10.0% but no English?
Middle East
3.7% okay...
Middle East
3.7%
Middle Eastern
3.7%
Africa
0.9%
North Africa
0.9%
Sephardic Jewish - North African
0.9% I mean yes kind of but we're missing a lot of percentage points here, same for middle east
America
0.8%
South America
0.8%
Indigenous Amazonian
0.8% trololol

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Originally Posted by kingjohn

maybe they read her german as eastern european and also west central euro

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I think that after this recent update, FTDNA's Eastern European cluster includes Austria and parts of Germany. Just like their map shows (EE cluster covers roughly 1/3 of Germany).

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Originally Posted by Litvin

I think that after this recent update, FTDNA's Eastern European cluster includes Austria and parts of Germany. Just like their map shows (EE cluster covers roughly 1/3 of Germany).

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Even if true she's 1/8 South Tyrolean and they're giving her 28% Eastern European.

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Originally Posted by Litvin

I think that after this recent update, FTDNA's Eastern European cluster includes Austria and parts of Germany. Just like their map shows (EE cluster covers roughly 1/3 of Germany).

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yes there eastern european probably includes also eastern germany as you said
and maybe eastern austria
there were many west slavic tribes who were assimilated
in those areas so no surprise ....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Slavic_tribes
there was even slavic tribe in berlin area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprevane

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Originally Posted by kingjohn

yes there eastern european probably includes also eastern germany as you said
and maybe eastern austria
there were many west slavic tribes who were assimilated
in those areas so no surprise ....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Slavic_tribes
there was even slavic tribe in berlin area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprevane

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If this were true, why even have a German reference population? which they do, so, clearly it's not working.

most of the chances they used south west germans swiss and eastern french for the west central european cluster
this the seed of amalek lol :)
my brother socre 8% and me nada 0%

p.s
eastern germans and south west germans share the same flag
but i am sure there are genetic differences :)

3 points:

1) Germans aren't defined genetically, rather the genetics must conform to the ethnicity. If FTDNA is refusing to acknowledge Bavarians and Austrians as Germans, that's absurd. However, it is also very unlikely that they would do such a thing deliberately, leading me to conclude that they are, in fact, shit.
2) 28% is too high anyhow, much too high, and other scores are much too low, etc.
3) In what universe is the South Tyrol Eastern European? That reference population is mainly Polish.

FTDNA is shit, let's not waste breath defending it. Anyhow, what do you have that would give you 8% West Euro?

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

FTDNA is rubbish compared to other major companies. For example, my girlfriend's 23andme pretty accurately represented her (1/4 British, 1/8 German (South Tyrol), 1/8 Italian, 1/2 Chinese). FTDNA gives her 40% SE Asia, 10% NE Asia, 28% Eastern Europe (?), 15% West Euro, only 6% British, trace Scando and SE Euro.

It's just an anecdote but we all know dozens of similarly barmy results.

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Longbowman, your girlfriend is 1/8 Italian from Istria and you showed her 23andme show Balkan and not Italian at all (and Croatian samples were included in 23and me Balkan cathegory).
I am very certain her ancestors were one of many Italianized Croats (it was very usual practice) due to their cultural domination. I have seen numeorus R1a (Slavic clades) and I2-dinaric Italians from Istria, who are genetically Croatian (or Slovenian)

Croats score very high eastern Europe on FTDNA and certanly this admixture to your girlfriends comes from Istrian side, perhaps not all as she is only 1/8, but at least half of it. Can't say about the rest.
Even today Istria is full with Italianized Slavic family names.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Longbowman, your girlfriend is 1/8 Italian from Istria and you showed her 23andme show Balkan and not Italian at all (and Croatian samples were included in 23and me Balkan cathegory).
I am very certain her ancestors were one of many Italianized Croats (it was very usual practice) due to their cultural domination. I have seen numeorus R1a (Slavic clades) and I2-dinaric Italians from Istria, who are genetically Croatian (or Slovenian)

Croats score very high eastern Europe on FTDNA and certanly this admixture to your girlfriends comes from Istrian side, perhaps not all as she is only 1/8, but at least half of it. Can't say about the rest.
Even today Istria is full with Italianized Slavic family names.

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You're probably correct, or perhaps rather, the Italians of Istria were never really Italian but rather Romanised Illyrians.

Have you tried various Eurogenes K36 tools, such as this one?:

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude2.htm

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

3 points:



FTDNA is shit, let's not waste breath defending it. Anyhow, what do you have that would give you 8% West Euro?

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me nothing
my brother scored it not me
i will be smarter when i get my mother my origins 2.0 results

my brother score 5.5% french in eurogenes k36 and me 0.5% nada
in eurogenes k36 they use french hgdp samples
so he got western european genes that i lack .....
there were Gallic tribes in bulgaria serdi for example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serdi

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Originally Posted by Litvin

Have you tried various Eurogenes K36 tools, such as this one?:

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude2.htm

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Just call me the Maltese Falcon.

http://i68.tinypic.com/2latw5d.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/333copi.jpg

if you remove Ashkenazi from that I come up most related to Italian Swiss people (60). If you remove Sephardics it's Bavarians at 59. Not sure what that means.

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

Just call me the Maltese Falcon.

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Maltese are kushis.

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

if you remove Ashkenazi from that I come up most related to Italian Swiss people (60). If you remove Sephardics it's Bavarians at 59. Not sure what that means.

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I guess it means that you are more southern-shifted than a typical Ashkenazi Jew but more northern-shifted than a typical Sephardic Jew? Try also this one (it will be updated with more samples soon):

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

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Originally Posted by Litvin

I guess it means that you are more southern-shifted than a typical Ashkenazi Jew but more northern-shifted than a typical Sephardic Jew? Try also this one (it will be updated with more samples soon):

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

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you are a Baltokushi.

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Originally Posted by Litvin

I guess it means that you are more southern-shifted than a typical Ashkenazi Jew but more northern-shifted than a typical Sephardic Jew? Try also this one (it will be updated with more samples soon):

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

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Of course both those things are true.

Highest to lowest:
71 6,500 BC - Tepecik 002 (Anatolia)
65 8,000 BC - Boncuklu 002 (Anatolia)
65 5,150 BC - Hungary - NE1 (Europe, Neolithic)
60 5,500 BC - Germany - LBK (Europe, Neolithic)
60 3,850 BC - NW Turkey - I1584 (Anatolia)
58 6,200 BC - NW Turkey - I0707 (Anatolia)
57 7,500 BC - Jordan - I1707 (Levant)
55 4,000 BC - Armenia - I1631 (Caucasus)
54 6,200 BC - NW Turkey - I0709 (Anatolia)
52 5,000 BC - Germany - I0797 (Europe, Neolithic)
51 5,150 BC - Hungary - NE6 (Europe, Neolithic)
49 200 AD - Gladiator - 3DRIF26 (Europe) but of Levantine descent as we know
47 1,800 BC - Hungary (Maros) - Rise374 (Europe, modern)
47 1,200 BC - Hungary - BR2 (Europe, modern)
46 3,000 BC - Ireland - Ballinahatty (Europe, Neolithic)
45 5,150 BC - Hungary - NE5 (Europe, Neolithic)
45 2,000? BC - Germany (BB) - Rise559 (Europe, modern)
45 1,800 BC - Hungary (Maros) - Rise373 (Europe, modern)
44 3,300 BC - Armenia - I1658 (Caucasus)
44 2,100 BC - Jordan - I1705 (Levant)
43 1,500 BC - Armenia - Rise423 (Caucasus)
42 3,750 BC - Spain - La Miña I0406 (Europe, Neolithic)
41 7,000 BC - Israël - I0867 (Levant)
41 3,220 BC - Germany - Esperdstedt (Europe, Neolithic)
41 3,000 BC - Sweden - Gokhem2 (Europe, Neolithic)
41 1,850 BC - Hungary - Rise349 (Europe, modern)

Everything else was 40 or below.

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Originally Posted by EdAlencar

The only reason why I did a DNA test was to find out whether the Dutch ancestry would be confirmed, but I knew it would hardly show up, as 10 generations have passed since the Dutch invaded my area (Pernambuco). A lot of people today in my region still have that non-Portuguese appearance, many of them indeeed have some Dutch blood, but due to the circumstances, their roots had to be forgotten as they were persecuted. According to studies, Dutch people could have contributed to at least 1 million people's DNA in the northeast. I have Wilker in my family tree (same as Jose Wilker, who is also from my city), but the known Dutch heritage came from my fathers side (as far as I know). They just knew they descended from Dutch, my great great grandfather had no surname, later on they addopted "Cazuza" (menino danado) as their surname, but this surname was not passed down to us.

After getting my results I found out I had 7% Scandinavian, of course this number is inflated, but when I checked my distant cousins, many of them were non Portuguese... some were Dutch, some were Norwegian (5th cousin), some Finnish... the only thing we know well is my Portuguese mothers side, as the Alencar family has been involved in some wars with other families and some movements like the Pernambucan Revolution and Equador Confederation, they also have a small museum, which kept our history alive, other than that is just common knowledge. My parents did not finish high school, my grandparents didn't go to school, yet we knew we had some Dutch and we know there were some Jewish... it was not until I had history class and understood how our region was colonized that I understood that this "tale" could reflect reality. And the same goes to the African and Native American heritage... we know we have it, but don't know when, who, how, where. I have no recent European contribution to my DNA. All my family came to "Brazil" before the 1700s. All my family comes from small villages from the Northeast (Pernambuco, Paraíba, Alagoas, Ceará), small villages whose habitants are predominantly white and light features (eyes/hair) are very common.

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So today, after 8 years of research, I discovered my XN (jewish who was kicked from Europe during the Inquisition). Her name is Brites Mendes de Vasconcelos (1525-1620 - https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pe...trait/L6QC-J5G). She was married to a Dutch: Arnaud Florentz Boeyens Van Holland. I am her 18th generation and the person who got me interested in genealogy was my 5th grandfather, who always told his children they were jewish and descended from the Dutch. I mentioned "Dutch" thing a few times and I clearly remember someone saying this was a myth, that there was no such thing as dutch brazilian during colonial times.

8 years later, here I am, authenticating all my relative's documents until Brites, in order to get the Portuguese citizenship back, proud of my hard work and thankful for the contribution of countless people who made this possible.

https://i.imgur.com/OLLZM7L.png

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Originally Posted by EdAlencar

So today, after 8 years of research, I discovered my XN (jewish who was kicked from Europe during the Inquisition). Her name is Brites Mendes de Vasconcelos (1525-1620 - https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pe...trait/L6QC-J5G). She was married to a Dutch: Arnaud Florentz Boeyens Van Holland. I am her 18th generation and the person who got me interested in genealogy was my 5th grandfather, who always told his children they were jewish and descended from the Dutch. I mentioned "Dutch" thing a few times and I clearly remember someone saying this was a myth, that there was no such thing as dutch brazilian during colonial times.

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You can search for books which mention Sephardic surnames here: https://nameyourroots.com/home/names/Vasconcelos. The name de Vasconcelos was mentioned in the book "Raizes Judaicas No Brasil" by Flavio Mendes de Carvalho.

Jews often took up toponymic surnames based on their city or region or country of origin, like for example Hollander or Deutsch: https://dbs.anumuseum.org.il/skn/en/...Name/HOLLANDER. I found a Jewish burial record of someone named Isaac Holland from Buenos Aires: https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/HOLLAND.

I didn't find either de Vasconcelos or van Holland mentioned in the Dictionary of Sephardic Surnames: https://libgen.lc/index.php?req=dict...dic%20surnames.

"Dutch" was a euphemism for a crypto-Jew. The same people who were called "Portuguese merchants" in Amsterdam were called "Dutch merchants" when they migrated further on. In the book "The Crisis of the Seventeenth Century", it's mentioned how in various Lutheran and Catholic countries in the 1600s, the capitalist elite consisted of so-called Calvinist so-called Dutch merchants, and that further that they usually had Flemish or Liegoise origins: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7394263. In the book "Jews and Modern Capitalism" by Werner Sombart, it's further explained that these Dutch merchants were actually crypto-Jews: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7395663. If your Dutch ancestor was born in the first half of the 1500s, then at the time there wasn't yet a presence of crypto-Jews in the northern parts of the Netherlands like Amsterdam, but there was in Flemish regions like Antwerp: https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/a...s/1626-antwerp. One reason why Sephardic Jews migrated to Antwerp in the 1500s was that it developed into the sugar refining of center of Europe, as is explained in the book "Amsterdam's Sephardic Merchants and the Atlantic Sugar Trade in the Seventeenth Century": https://libgen.lc/index.php?req=seph...ts+sugar+trade, https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Xqd...B61SxBAcj1hgWq, https://books.google.com/books?id=U3N0DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA38.

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Originally Posted by EdAlencar

So today, after 8 years of research, I discovered my XN (jewish who was kicked from Europe during the Inquisition). Her name is Brites Mendes de Vasconcelos (1525-1620 - https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pe...trait/L6QC-J5G). She was married to a Dutch: Arnaud Florentz Boeyens Van Holland. I am her 18th generation and the person who got me interested in genealogy was my 5th grandfather, who always told his children they were jewish and descended from the Dutch. I mentioned "Dutch" thing a few times and I clearly remember someone saying this was a myth, that there was no such thing as dutch brazilian during colonial times.

8 years later, here I am, authenticating all my relative's documents until Brites, in order to get the Portuguese citizenship back, proud of my hard work and thankful for the contribution of countless people who made this possible.

https://i.imgur.com/OLLZM7L.png

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look like a little bit my case , my great grandfather had no surname and was region from old dutch colony, phenotype from his family was different aswell , i pull a lot of nw europe but as is just a admixture calculator result , so is not realiable , only strange thing is that i can to triangulate a lot of dutch , belgium , southeast english on myheritage , all of them coming from 1 chromossome , same position and without iberians in their familytree or adn correspondence shared , north sea from this chromosome in gedmatch is too high , i don't know how that was possible