Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

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Originally Posted by Loki

Thus, part and parcel of what we know as Europe. Without it Europeans wouldn't exist, save for perhaps the Basques.

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Norwegians, Finnish, Lithuanians, Polish, Belarussians, etc. have also less than 4% of WA

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Originally Posted by Loki

Conversely, if West Asian is so closely related to Northern European, it weakens Iberia's argument.

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I wasn't trying to strenghten his argument but to help you understand your results. Regarding the closeness between the North European and West Asian components it's just a pattern that I've been seeing in every single run.

From "how to create zombies"

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YzwPd_v6xN.../s1600/1_2.png


"K=12 for selected participants"
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-po3ry04KyL...MIXTURE_12.png

"K=11 for selected participants"
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2cIeCsZrY6...MIXTURE_11.png


Or even the basic Dodecad V1
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UOHFTxL-bO...s1600/dist.png

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Originally Posted by Iberia

Norwegians, Finnish, Lithuanians, Polish, Belarussians, etc. have also less than 4% of WA

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It doesn't mean a thing. The Scandinavians have 0% Southern European. They're more isolated. But the majority of Europeans have a WA component that is larger than that. They're still Europeans.

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Originally Posted by Kadu

I wasn't trying to strenghten his argument but to help you understand your results. Regarding the closeness between the North European and West Asian components it's just a pattern that I've been seeing in every single run.

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Yes I know, thanks. It's just a coincidence that it weakens Iberia's argument on West Asians. :p

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Originally Posted by Loki

It doesn't mean a thing. The Scandinavians have 0% Southern European. They're more isolated. But the majority of Europeans have a WA component that is larger than that. They're still Europeans.

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Im not saying they are not europeans. They are still 80-90% european without west-asian.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Yes I know, thanks. It's just a coincidence that it weakens Iberia's argument on West Asians. :p

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No, it still doesn't establish where the origin of west-asian is. But it's pretty clear looking at the map I posted.

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Originally Posted by Iberia

No, it still doesn't establish where the origin of west-asian is. But it's pretty clear looking at the map I posted.

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Where the geographical origin is doesn't really matter. If it did, we are all Africans since humans originated there.

The fact that West Asian is close to Northern European (as Kadu coincidentally pointed out) should tell you something.

Ok, let's imagine now for a moment that West-Asian is European. That would mean, doing a (West Euro + East Euro + West Asia + Med) score that :

- Georgians more european than Germans, British, French, Dutch, Scandinavians, Irish, Hungarians, Finnish, etc.

But, oh !, surpisingly Georgians they don't even cluster with europeans on genetic PCA plots, they cluster with Turks, Iranians, Armenians,etc :

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_6XAIk6ygt...s1600/waeu.png

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Originally Posted by Iberia

Ok, let's imagine now for a moment that West-Asian is European. That would mean, doing a (West Euro + East Euro + West Asia + Med) score that :

- Georgians more european than Germans, British, French, Dutch, Scandinavians, Irish, Hungarians, Finnish, etc.

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How does this logic work? I don't see the implication.

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But, oh !, surpisingly Georgians they don't even cluster with europeans on genetic PCA plots, they cluster with Turks, Iranians, Armenians,etc :

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_6XAIk6ygt...s1600/waeu.png

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They are still closely related to Europeans on this plot. For example, Georgians seem as far away to Spaniards as Spaniards are away from Russians.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Where the geographical origin is doesn't really matter. If it did, we are all Africans since humans originated there.

The fact that West Asian is close to Northern European (as Kadu coincidentally pointed out) should tell you something.

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Human DNA today is different that when humans came out of Africa, otherwise all these autosomal differences between populations wouldn't exist, So it's irrelevant to the matter.

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Originally Posted by Loki

How does this logic work? I don't see the implication.

They are still closely related to Europeans on this plot. For example, Georgians seem as far away to Spaniards as Spaniards are away from Russians.

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But if you see the european scores inlcuding West-Asian that I made above, they should be clustering with Germans or Polish, since they have more European than them (if we consider West Asian as European, that is).