Or maybe Krajina_West and Krajina_East?
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Maybe Krajina_West better. Because Dubica for example in also part of Pounje, but it is krajina east. Should I change label in Lucas thread? He didn't add it yet.
Man, you are one of the biggest nordists here. :) Stearsolina is not so obsessed with nordicism anymore as earlier.
What do you think how much northern blood have this Bosniak woman from Tuzla (Dalila)? :) https://youtu.be/YfXE9fqdT4E?t=54
She is star of the most popular reality show in Serbia and married for Serbian guy but she had sexual affair with other guy who is half Croatian half Serb. Her nose before surgery was Armenoid.
And this one also from Tulza (Senada) former reality star and currently public prostitute in Serbia? https://youtu.be/lDw7o4cAtYI?t=405
Price for fucking her is 500 euros. On the video she speak about her first anal sex.
^^
Such behavior is pretty common among Bosnian Muslims girls/women, and almost doesn't exist among Sandžakian ones.
My favorite girls are Serbian. :thumb001:
As a teenager i was in shorter relationship with Slovak girl from Vojvodina. She looked northern as fuck; natural blonde, with blue eyes, pale etc.
I was never obsessed with nordicism, Scandinavians don't interest me. It's you who has inferiority complex, like to post northern looking Serbs and such results, and at same time like to post swarthiest Croats/Bosniaks and their most southern shifted results. For every exotic Bosniak you post there will be 2 exotic Serbs, because guess what, Bosniaks are somewhat more northern shifted than Serbs, both in looks and dna (Sandžak excluded obviously)
If you were such a proud Serb you would take pride in Serb genetics and phenotypes, and not cherrypick lightest and most northern individuals among you can find while trying to darkwash other ethnic groups who are lighter than you.
I much prefer Serb like Dušan, he is a psycho četnik but has pride and thinks Serbs are the best in every way, exactly as they are, and does not suck it up to anyone else.
You are not in that cathegory. He loves Serbs much more than you will ever do.
And yes, I don't approve of Leto northern obsession. Accepting that I guess one recognize our Meddish people are inferior, and steppe rich people like Russians are I guess some master race.
People can piss off with their steppic/northern shit. I am proud of our beautiful Slavo-Meddish south Slavic combinations, including looks, temper and DNA.
I found one for you. She scores 36% Baltic in K13. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE6gFVGYP64
If your are so big Croatian as you present yourself, you would work on rising the Croatian birth rate and not Hungarian dear. :coffee: You have 400K less people than in 2011.
And one more thing. You take too seriously what some unknown people say/think about you and your ethnicity here in this virtual world.
I wish you a pleasant day!
Northeastern lowlands muslims are more slavic and less native. Central and Northwestern are on the middle way between southern Croats and Bosnian Serbs. Herzegovina and Podrinje close to BH Serbs. Sandzak muslims who didn't mix with albanians are the same as montenegrins.
It seems like all religious groups from NE Bosnia are more NE shifted (high baltic).
Lol, first of all, I didn't say anything about others being inferior. Why even mention me personally. You are part of the Northern diaspora in the South actually. Those Adriatic Islands would have scored like Abruzzo Italianos or something like that. Don't know why you always defend Greater Woggistan. You score only 10% East Med, look light, Stears looks light and at least used to be a Western/Northern supremacist himself, your family is I2, I1, R1a.
I'm not a Nordicist, I'm a Steppist. And actually I don't like super pale skin, a peachy color is the best IMO. Some Northern Europeans are way too pale to my taste, like ghostly pale.
I'm sorry guys, cannot watch videos at the moment. Of course Bosniak culture sucks big time, that wasn't a question. Adopted Islam 500 years at the behest of a foreign power and tied it to their ethnic group. Makes no sense to me. The reason why I find them fascinating is because people think they are some kind of partial Turks or whatever, because of Islam.
Leto, we are Slavs who migrated in south, but we have our fair share of woggies just like northern looking people. Celine looks almost MENA, she is north Croat and probably heavily central Euro.
Even though in her case I would not exclude minor Gypsy admix, they are plenty in northern Croatia.
I can't denounce woggy Croats or southern shifted ones, some are more heavily Slavic, some are more heavily Med/Southern. I think both Slavs and Vlachs were equally worthy and interesting peoples / cultures
I feel allure of warm and ancient Med/Balkanic cultures as much as Slavic /northern ones.
You have perunovsin who is quite more northern than me in DNA and he looks proper Balkanic, so what? Nothing bad in that :p
You can celebrate your northerness/steppicness, but southern Slavs are quite different from Russians and we should embrace entire of our ancestry, as I do, Dušan does too btw.
I also think it's really cool to have such phenotype diversity like we have, so there is something for everyones taste.
So while I am very, very proud to be Slavic, I am equally proud and happy about our southern blood. We are both of this, and can't be separated from either.
That's fine with me, I often just troll out of boredom. You guys sure have a better climate, food and older recorded history than Northeastern Europeans. The Baltic people are a joke for example, Christianized by the end of the Middle Ages, no written language until 1500, etc. :D
I think Varda has derailed the thread by the way.
I guess. Just want to say, for you ofc it does make sense to celebrate your northerness/steppicness as Russians and other NE Euros are least woggy and most steppic/"Aryan" Europeans.
I would not mind to be born as Russian and I would take pride in these things too If I were you. You have every right to do that. And I find Russian people and culture beautiful.
Just we are different, so it doesn't make much sense for us. Many of us would be confused for Caucasians in Russia.
I doesn't matter if I would not, many south slavs would be. Cheers.
Two of them are closer by 0.05 and 0.1 to Serbian than the Croatian national average. That's hardly "closer" to the Serbian average since right in the middle. It is irrelevant anyway because of more northern-shifted Central-Northwest Croats (mainly Kajkavian speaking Croats) strong influence on the Croatian national average. Croats have two subnational genetic averages - one represented by the "Croat_North" supraregional average of mainly Kajkavian Croats ("Croat2") - second represented by the "Croat_South_East_West" supraregional averages of Chakavian-Western Shtokavian speaking Croats. Bosniaks as mainly Western Shtokavian speakers are much closer to the Chakavian-Western Shtokavian Croats ("Croats1") than Eastern Shtokavian and Torlakian Serbs regional and national averages - 4/5 are closer to Croats than Serbs. This interestingly has a high positive correlation and probably confirmation of linguistic division of Western Southwestern to Western dialects (Kajkavian, Chakavian, Western Shtokavian) and Eastern dialects (Eastern Shtokavian and Torlakian):
Distance to: Bosniak
1.86225670 Serb_Republika_Srpska
1.93297698 Romanian_North-Moldavia
1.96423013 Croat1
2.31864184 Moldovan_Central
2.39589232 Moldovan
2.66368166 Moldovan_North
3.05452124 Bosniak_Southeast
3.12840215 Serb_Croatia
3.37555921 Bosniak_Krajina_East
3.49164718 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
3.77790947 Bosniak_Krajina_West
3.82602927 Serb
3.87900761 Croat
3.94924043 Romanian_Maramureș
3.94997468 Serb_West
4.16014423 Serb_Central
4.69772285 Serb_Vojvodina
5.42602986 Csángó-Ceangău
5.43825340 Serb_Herzegovina
5.51455347 Serb_South
5.69911397 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.92823751 Hungarian_Alföld
6.06584701 Romanian_Crișana
6.83059295 Romanian_South-Moldavia
6.92676692 Hungarian
Distance to: Bosniak_Central_Northeast
2.56573576 Moldovan_North
2.70994465 Bosniak_Krajina_East
3.34300763 Croat
3.49164718 Bosniak
3.58145222 Croat1
4.41583514 Ukrainian_Carpathians
4.65542694 Lemko_Poland
4.71554875 Hungarian_Alföld
5.01732997 Romanian_North-Moldavia
5.05541294 Serb_Republika_Srpska
5.19124263 Croat2
5.22025861 Moldovan_Central
5.45078893 Moldovan
5.72807996 Hungarian_North
5.79972413 Bosniak_Krajina_West
5.80510982 Hungarian
6.41528643 Serb_Croatia
6.43509907 Bosniak_Southeast
6.49907686 Csángó-Ceangău
6.68534965 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.97853136 Romanian_Maramureș
7.09046543 Serb_West
7.20150679 Serb
7.29778734 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.36645098 Slovene
Distance to: Bosniak_Krajina_East
2.70994465 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
3.04272904 Moldovan_North
3.37555921 Bosniak
3.39084060 Croat1
3.44831843 Croat
4.44429972 Serb_Republika_Srpska
4.77342644 Romanian_North-Moldavia
4.86943529 Hungarian_Alföld
5.03266331 Moldovan_Central
5.15306705 Moldovan
5.47413920 Lemko_Poland
5.52479864 Croat2
5.64528122 Csángó-Ceangău
5.85901016 Bosniak_Krajina_West
5.87509149 Serb_Croatia
5.88102032 Ukrainian_Carpathians
5.90470152 Bosniak_Southeast
5.98614233 Hungarian
6.19718484 Serb_West
6.25596515 Romanian_Maramureș
6.45578036 Serb
6.75151094 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.77865031 Hungarian_North
6.86925760 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.06075067 Serb_Central
Distance to: Bosniak_Krajina_West
2.69518088 Croat1
2.94844027 Serb_Croatia
3.04412549 Romanian_Maramureș
3.33235652 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.35320742 Serb_Republika_Srpska
3.51247776 Serb_West
3.62531378 Bosniak_Southeast
3.77790947 Bosniak
3.78800739 Serb_Central
3.87586119 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
3.89575410 Serb
3.95073411 Croat
4.28277947 Serb_Vojvodina
4.77651547 Moldovan_Central
4.86928126 Moldovan
4.92058940 Csángó-Ceangău
4.93123717 Romanian_Crișana
5.15746062 Serb_Herzegovina
5.61398254 Hungarian_Alföld
5.62678416 Serb_South
5.79972413 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
5.85901016 Bosniak_Krajina_East
5.87712515 Moldovan_North
6.11152191 Hungarian
6.24355668 Romanian_South-Moldavia
Distance to: Bosniak_Southeast
1.01123687 Serb_Croatia
1.36370818 Serb_Central
1.40264037 Serb
1.92007812 Serb_Republika_Srpska
1.98083316 Serb_Vojvodina
2.10660865 Serb_West
2.43238566 Romanian_North-Moldavia
2.58497582 Serb_Herzegovina
2.59090718 Romanian_Maramureș
2.82248118 Moldovan
2.97916096 Serb_South
3.05452124 Bosniak
3.06049016 Moldovan_Central
3.54632204 Romanian_Crișana
3.60728430 Croat1
3.62531378 Bosniak_Krajina_West
4.28696863 Romanian_South-Moldavia
4.69428376 Romanian_Transylvania
4.69928718 Montenegrin
5.01743959 Romanian
5.20538183 Moldovan_South
5.51551448 Moldovan_North
5.52467194 Romanian_Banat
5.63827988 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.78741739 Croat
Bosniak,24.88,32.47,15.40,8.91,13.89,1.77,0.79,0.5 1,0.57,0.47,0.26,0.02,0.06
Bosniak_Central_Northeast,25.73,35.04,14.18,8.58,1 2.19,1.26,0.98,0.31,0.62,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.10
Bosniak_Krajina_East,25.43,33.89,15.88,9.11,11.04, 2.17,0.44,0.41,0.17,0.92,0.30,0.18,0.08
Bosniak_Krajina_West,27.62,30.59,15.24,8.49,14.98, 0.74,0.11,0.45,0.27,0.73,0.64,0.12,0.02
Bosniak_Southeast,24.67,30.37,16.69,8.45,15.57,1.9 6,0.64,0.38,0.30,0.50,0.31,0.17,0.00
Something doesn't add up with the Bosniak national average - 3/4 regional averages have NA >25, one even >27 while national has <25?
These regional averages give Bosniak,25.86,32.47,15.50,8.66,13.45,1.53,0.54,0.3 9,0.34,0.69,0.38,0.16,0.05
The current average on Vahaduo also has NA >25 while Baltic 35 (really should be ~32).
Which Canton's are included for each regional average?
Vbn can you send me or post here the Bosniak samples?
Two samples for instance from my region (Sandzak), we can see that we are indeed in between Albanian and Montenegrin, giving a parallel mix like Macedonians, and despite being in Serbia, we are far away from Serbs, but even far more away from Bosniaks (closer in fact to Italians, Greeks, Romanians, Bulgarians, Balkan Turks, ...), despite being labelled as such since 1993 (debunking the belief from average Bosniaks that we are them and the belief from average Serbs that we are converts from Old Raska; I'm not talking about people here more aware of population genetics; but about the mainstream people in the streets IRL).
Fetic,25.70,19.13,20.48,12.79,19.67,0.61,0.00,0.24 ,0.50,0.11,0.77,0.00,0.00
Spoiler!
Tutic,20.76,23.01,20.52,11.95,20.10,2.43,0.00,0.00 ,0.01,0.44,0.78,0.00,0.00
Spoiler!
Yes, Sandžak Muslims shouldn't be added to the Bosniak national average.
The farthest regional and supraregional Croatian averages have a distance of 8.9 (Herzegovina-Northwest) and 6.0 (South-North) while from the Croatian national average 2.7 and 3.2.
The farthest regional Serbian averages have a distance of 3.9 (Herzegovina-Republika Srpska), 4.28 (South-Republika Srpska), or 7.1 (Montenegro-Republika Srpska) while from the Serbian national average of 1.7-2.3-4.9
"Bosniak_Sandžak" average has the farthest distance of staggering 13.2 from "Bosniak_Central_Northeast" and closest distance of only 7.06 from "Bosniak_Southeast" while from the Bosniak "old-new" national average of 9.8 - to "Albanian Gheg" is 8.89 and 9.84 to "Albanian". They are closer to Gheg Albanians than to Bosniaks from BiH. They are obviously not part of the same (Bosniak) ethnic population, and as can be read, Slavicized Albanians. Sandžak Muslims until modern times mainly ethnically identified as Albanians and some still are to this day. Y-DNA also confirmed their mostly Albanian-Montenegrin ancestry.
^ Yup but that's where the vast majority lives and are absolute majority of citizens (NP-TT-SJ in Serbia; Rozaje-Plav-Gusinje in Montenegro); the western towns are where Muslims are a minority compared to Orthodox Serbs/Montenegrins and smaller numerous (Priboj, Prijepolje, Nova Varos, Pljevlja, and even towns like Berane, Bijelo Polje)
I'm aware of these 2 results.
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.74
2 North_Atlantic 21.71
3 West_Med 16.75
4 East_Med 15.5
5 West_Asian 12.79
6 Red_Sea 1.79
7 Amerindian 0.91
8 East_Asian 0.57
9 Siberian 0.54
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27
11 Northeast_African 0.25
12 Oceanian 0.17
1 North_Atlantic 30,50
2 Baltic 26,38
3 West_Med 16,14
4 East_Med 13,60
5 West_Asian 10,35
6 Red_Sea 1,32
7 South_Asian 1,18
This guy is from the 'Zlatibor district':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za13VUnRCGc
And here's a memeber of the Bosniak (Sandžakian) diaspora in Turkey. He's actually from the eastern part of the region, proving that many of them can likewise have results identical to Serbo-Montenegrins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCnmG1YfdIk
EDIT: the gedmatch results are in the comment sections of the respective videos.
Yes, I think so.
Here's a western Sandžak average, from those 3 samples
West_Sandzak,24.70,27.39,16.94,11.11,15.75,1.89,0. 39,0.19,0.18,0.65,0.23,0.08,0.30
Distance to: West_Sandzak
2.11704983 Romanian_Crișana
2.33880311 Romanian_South-Moldavia
2.37957979 Romanian_Transylvania
2.44787663 Serb_South
2.55581689 Serb_Vojvodina
2.58321505 Romanian
2.59684424 Serb_Herzegovina
2.68082077 Montenegrin
2.81874085 Romanian_Banat
2.93954078 Serb
3.19175500 Serb_West
3.22166106 Romanian_Maramureș
3.44756436 Serb_Montenegro
3.50482525 Serb_Central
3.62269237 Moldovan_South
3.67683288 Serb_Croatia
4.00051247 Romanian_Oltenia
4.36576454 Bosniak_Sandžak
Ah, in other words, in Yugoslavian times there were c. 100,000 while 2002-2003 c. 189,000 people out of which the vast majority lives in Eastern Sandžak. There's no need for Western Sandžak average since represents only few thousand people.
Since you put some ethno folk customs, what's interesting also, is that Bosnia Bosniaks don't celebrate much male circumcision (they practice it just like a medical obligation); while us, it's after wedding, the second most important feast in social life (of a man of course).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-SEdrKOX-o
Albanians and Turks also celebrate it, with the young boy dressed as an Ottoman Sultan :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvNnQijFXmk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7d_S02P-Q8
A Bosnian (American) artist. This is her
North_Atlantic 26 Pct
Baltic 30.42 Pct
West_Med 17.55 Pct
West_Asian 9.1 Pct
East_Med 14.07 Pct
Red_Sea 1.65 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.17 Pct
Amerindian 0.6 Pct
Oceanian 0.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: F
1.72339781 Serb_West
1.89317194 Serb_Croatia
1.97514556 Serb_Republika_Srpska
2.12668757 Croat_Dalmatia
2.29588763 Serb
2.43028805 Bosniak_Southeast
2.56267438 Romanian_Maramureş
2.99332591 Serb_Central
3.05391552 Serb_Vojvodina
3.08197988 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.09386490 Croat_Istria
3.10353025 Croat_Herzegovina
3.12795460 Croat_Bosnia
3.21154169 Bosniak_Krajina_West
3.35556255 Bosniak
3.68260777 Serb_Herzegovina
3.69304752 Croat_Lika
3.77699616 Croat_Slavonia
3.96952138 Moldovan
4.08892406 Moldovan_Central
Target: F
Distance: 0.8330% / 0.83304810 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.5 Croat_Dalmatia
19.2 Serb_Herzegovina
9.8 Bosniak_Krajina_East
2.8 Sardinian
0.7 Serb_West
Target: F
Distance: 1.1440% / 1.14396829 | ADC: 0.5x RC
58.2 Serb_West
41.8 Croat_Dalmatia
Is she Muslim? Or from Serbian or Croatian minorities?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Doubling error