Bosniak Gedmatch results

**MoroLP** · 01-18-2022, 06:40 PM

Bosniak,24.88,32.47,15.40,8.91,13.89,1.77,0.79,0.5 1,0.57,0.47,0.26,0.02,0.06
Bosniak_Central_Northeast,25.73,35.04,14.18,8.58,1 2.19,1.26,0.98,0.31,0.62,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.10
Bosniak_Krajina_East,25.43,33.89,15.88,9.11,11.04, 2.17,0.44,0.41,0.17,0.92,0.30,0.18,0.08
Bosniak_Krajina_West,27.62,30.59,15.24,8.49,14.98, 0.74,0.11,0.45,0.27,0.73,0.64,0.12,0.02
Bosniak_Southeast,24.67,30.37,16.69,8.45,15.57,1.9 6,0.64,0.38,0.30,0.50,0.31,0.17,0.00

Something doesn't add up with the Bosniak national average - 3/4 regional averages have NA >25, one even >27 while national has <25?

These regional averages give Bosniak,25.86,32.47,15.50,8.66,13.45,1.53,0.54,0.3 9,0.34,0.69,0.38,0.16,0.05

The current average on Vahaduo also has NA >25 while Baltic 35 (really should be ~32).

Which Canton's are included for each regional average?

Vbn can you send me or post here the Bosniak samples?

**RogueState** · 01-18-2022, 10:32 PM

Two samples for instance from my region (Sandzak), we can see that we are indeed in between Albanian and Montenegrin, giving a parallel mix like Macedonians, and despite being in Serbia, we are far away from Serbs, but even far more away from Bosniaks (closer in fact to Italians, Greeks, Romanians, Bulgarians, Balkan Turks, ...), despite being labelled as such since 1993 (debunking the belief from average Bosniaks that we are them and the belief from average Serbs that we are converts from Old Raska; I'm not talking about people here more aware of population genetics; but about the mainstream people in the streets IRL).

Fetic,25.70,19.13,20.48,12.79,19.67,0.61,0.00,0.24 ,0.50,0.11,0.77,0.00,0.00

Spoiler!

Tutic,20.76,23.01,20.52,11.95,20.10,2.43,0.00,0.00 ,0.01,0.44,0.78,0.00,0.00

Spoiler!

**MoroLP** · 01-18-2022, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by RogueState

Two samples for instance from my region (Sandzak), we can see that we are indeed in between Albanian and Montenegrin, giving a parallel mix like Macedonians, and despite being in Serbia, we are far away to Serbs, but even far away more from Bosniaks (closer in fact to Italians, Greeks, Romanians, Bulgarians, Balkan Turks, ...), despite being labelled as such since 1993 (debunking the belief from average Bosniaks that we are them and the belief from average Serbs that we are converts from Old Raska; I'm not talking about people here more aware of population genetics; but about the mainstream people in the streets IRL).

Fetic,25.70,19.13,20.48,12.79,19.67,0.61,0.00,0.24 ,0.50,0.11,0.77,0.00,0.00

Spoiler!

Tutic,20.76,23.01,20.52,11.95,20.10,2.43,0.00,0.00 ,0.01,0.44,0.78,0.00,0.00

Spoiler!

Yes, Sandžak Muslims shouldn't be added to the Bosniak national average.

The farthest regional and supraregional Croatian averages have a distance of 8.9 (Herzegovina-Northwest) and 6.0 (South-North) while from the Croatian national average 2.7 and 3.2.

The farthest regional Serbian averages have a distance of 3.9 (Herzegovina-Republika Srpska), 4.28 (South-Republika Srpska), or 7.1 (Montenegro-Republika Srpska) while from the Serbian national average of 1.7-2.3-4.9

"Bosniak_Sandžak" average has the farthest distance of staggering 13.2 from "Bosniak_Central_Northeast" and closest distance of only 7.06 from "Bosniak_Southeast" while from the Bosniak "old-new" national average of 9.8 - to "Albanian Gheg" is 8.89 and 9.84 to "Albanian". They are closer to Gheg Albanians than to Bosniaks from BiH. They are obviously not part of the same (Bosniak) ethnic population, and as can be read, Slavicized Albanians. Sandžak Muslims until modern times mainly ethnically identified as Albanians and some still are to this day. Y-DNA also confirmed their mostly Albanian-Montenegrin ancestry.

**CommonSense** · 01-18-2022, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by RogueState

Two samples for instance from my region (Sandzak), we can see that we are indeed in between Albanian and Montenegrin, giving a parallel mix like Macedonians, and despite being in Serbia, we are far away from Serbs, but even far more away from Bosniaks (closer in fact to Italians, Greeks, Romanians, Bulgarians, Balkan Turks, ...), despite being labelled as such since 1993 (debunking the belief from average Bosniaks that we are them and the belief from average Serbs that we are converts from Old Raska; I'm not talking about people here more aware of population genetics; but about the mainstream people in the streets IRL).

Fetic,25.70,19.13,20.48,12.79,19.67,0.61,0.00,0.24 ,0.50,0.11,0.77,0.00,0.00

Spoiler!

Tutic,20.76,23.01,20.52,11.95,20.10,2.43,0.00,0.00 ,0.01,0.44,0.78,0.00,0.00

Spoiler!

These two results are only typical for the very east of the region.

**MoroLP** · 01-18-2022, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by CommonSense

These two results are only typical for the very east of the region.

What would be typical Western Bosniak Sandžak sample like?

**RogueState** · 01-18-2022, 10:52 PM

^ Yup but that's where the vast majority lives and are absolute majority of citizens (NP-TT-SJ in Serbia; Rozaje-Plav-Gusinje in Montenegro); the western towns are where Muslims are a minority compared to Orthodox Serbs/Montenegrins and smaller numerous (Priboj, Prijepolje, Nova Varos, Pljevlja, and even towns like Berane, Bijelo Polje)

**RogueState** · 01-18-2022, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by MoroLP

What would be typical Western Bosniak Sandžak sample like?

More Montenegrin-Herzegovian, still different than mainstream Bosniak

**vbnetkhio** · 01-18-2022, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by MoroLP

What would be typical Western Bosniak Sandžak sample like?

I'm aware of these 2 results.

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.74
2 North_Atlantic 21.71
3 West_Med 16.75
4 East_Med 15.5
5 West_Asian 12.79
6 Red_Sea 1.79
7 Amerindian 0.91
8 East_Asian 0.57
9 Siberian 0.54
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27
11 Northeast_African 0.25
12 Oceanian 0.17

1 North_Atlantic 30,50
2 Baltic 26,38
3 West_Med 16,14
4 East_Med 13,60
5 West_Asian 10,35
6 Red_Sea 1,32
7 South_Asian 1,18

**CommonSense** · 01-18-2022, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by MoroLP

What would be typical Western Bosniak Sandžak sample like?

This guy is from the 'Zlatibor district':

And here's a memeber of the Bosniak (Sandžakian) diaspora in Turkey. He's actually from the eastern part of the region, proving that many of them can likewise have results identical to Serbo-Montenegrins:

EDIT: the gedmatch results are in the comment sections of the respective videos.

**MoroLP** · 01-18-2022, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

I'm aware of these 2 results.

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.74
2 North_Atlantic 21.71
3 West_Med 16.75
4 East_Med 15.5
5 West_Asian 12.79
6 Red_Sea 1.79
7 Amerindian 0.91
8 East_Asian 0.57
9 Siberian 0.54
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27
11 Northeast_African 0.25
12 Oceanian 0.17

1 North_Atlantic 30,50
2 Baltic 26,38
3 West_Med 16,14
4 East_Med 13,60
5 West_Asian 10,35
6 Red_Sea 1,32
7 South_Asian 1,18

Only two or exist more samples?

On how many samples is based Bosniak Sandžak average?