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Idk, thats question for ph2ter :) He has his own averages he uses to produce these maps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlantic Reptilian
His conclusion how Krajina and Bosnian Serb are somehow different, and will get Illyrian pre-Slavic admixture, instead central Moesian or even Thracian, is not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
My example deny it.
What is Slav_Anatolia ?
Sample founded near BursaQuote:
Originally Posted by RogueState
Distance to: TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3
0.02694256 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02920055 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03162636 Sorb_Niederlausitz
Target: TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3
Distance: 2.0840% / 0.02084007
35.0 Sorb_Niederlausitz
33.2 Lithuanian_VA
21.4 Serbian
5.0 Sardinian
2.8 Abkhasian_Gudauta
1.0 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.8 Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.8 Yakut
[QUOTE=Dušan;7624273]Sample founded near Bursa
Distance to: TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3
0.02694256 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02920055 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03162636 Sorb_Niederlausitz[/QUOTE
hi do know what Hun east late antiquity is? Thracians or is it dacian ?
Slav_Anatolia is tested sample (bones) of the one member of this medieval community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Minor_SlavsQuote:
Originally Posted by RogueState
^ Thanks, is it representative of something (like a mass migration) or just a lone Ukrainian soldier/merchant that was by chance dead in Turkey ?
I found somewhere long time ago that Slavic community/colony in Asia Minor existed until 13th century.Quote:
Originally Posted by RogueState
Hi, I dont know what sample you are talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioas12
Can you be more specific?
From varda's post
Here is model for our "cousins" Moldavians.
Target: Moldavian
Distance: 0.6276% / 0.00627633
26.6 RUS_MA_Slavic
24.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad (Slav_Pannonia)
20.0 HUN_east_Late_Antiquity
12.4 TUR_Marmara_Ilipnar_Byz3 (Slav_Anatolia)
7.0 SRB_Roman
6.2 HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
2.0 ROU_Ploesti_MA
1.0 IND_Roopkund_A
Sorry for double post
That guy Nikac didnt post G25 coordinates for HUN_east_Late_Antiquity, so I cant check to what modern populations that sample is closest.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioas12
Target: Nausevar_scaled
Distance: 1.9499% / 0.01949873
36.4 TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
36.2 SVN_Emona
12.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
7.0 GRC_Marathon_Rom
4.0 SRB_Roman
2.2 HRV_Roman
1.2 IND_Roopkund_A
0.4 BGR_RomByz(Thracian)
K13 of one Serb from Glina https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...2284#msg212284
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glina,_Croatia
^^
Almost all his known ancestors for genetations were Serbs from Glina municipality, except one which was from neighboring municipality Vrginmost (Gvozd). His Y DNA is J2b-M205>Y218180.
Distance to: GlinaQuote:
Originally Posted by Varda
2.95330324 Csángó-Ceangau
3.13531498 Croat_Lika
3.40514317 Croat_Kvarner
3.41458636 Hungarian_Alföld
3.59958331 Croat_Dalmatia
3.74157721 Croat_Istria
3.90631540 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.08311156 Croat_Central
4.18978520 Croat_Bosnia
4.38383394 Croat_GorskiKotar
4.43051916 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.48536509 Bosniak_Krajina_East
4.53312254 Romanian_Moldavia_North
4.67857884 Croat_Slavonia
5.04072415 Serb_NorthEastBosnia
5.12224560 Bosniak_Krajina_West
5.18887271 Bosniak_Central
5.29970754 Romanian_Maramures
5.32470656 Croat_Herzegovina
5.50738595 Austrian_Carinthia
5.67590521 Serb_SouthwestSerbia
5.70069294 Serb_BosanskaKrajina
5.73619212 Serb_WestSerbia
5.91564029 Serb_CentralCroatia
6.10512899 Slovene
:thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by majevica
He is a Serb with one of the highest North Atlantic score that i have seen.
For some reason, Serbs in Banija micro-region have that Celtic-Germanic component.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
We saw it on Barbarylion, and now again on Demić.
Mine North Atlantic in K13 is low, and Celtic-Germanic component not exist at all.
I think my result is regular for Lika and Bukovica Serbs, from where are my grandparents.
Banija and Kordun it seems. I have seen few results of Kordun Serbs with high NA for Serbian standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
P. Demić have no any non-Serbian ancestor among great-grandparents (8 ancestors from both sides), but maybe he has some earlier Croatian kaykavian ancestry. Kaykavians exist in Glina area. Or maybe Celto-Germanic element is older among Banija/Kordun Serbs, from the period before their ancestors settled to Banija and Kordun several centuries ago.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
Banija and Kordun were empty due Ottoman wars when Serbs settled there.
This Kordun Serb has low North Atlantic, almost on mine level.
SerbKarlovac,23.07,33.52,19.41,2.23,17.89,0.77,1,0 .74,0.79,0.57,0,0,0
I saved it only in this form, cant remember the gedmetch kit.
That guy Is from Karlovac i think. By both Baltic and NA score he is close to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
I'd say it's North Illyrian rather than Celto-Germanic element since he also scores high West_MedQuote:
Originally Posted by Varda
1.459 Glina = 84% Bosniak_Northeast + 16% Spanish_Aragon
1.659 Glina = 81% Bosniak_Northeast + 19% Spanish_Catalonia
1.994 Glina = 50% Italian_Veneto + 50% Russian_Ryazan
North Illyrians were close to North Italians/Iberians
Did you ever tested? It would be interesting to see your results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
When i get tested you will be notified. :) I have to see about the procedure...Quote:
Originally Posted by Usernotfound
Compare his result with Banija-Kordun average.Quote:
Originally Posted by majevica
2.020 P.Demić = 53% Serb_CentralCroatia + 47% Austrian_Styria
2.312 P.Demić = 100% Hungarian_Transylvania+Partium + 0% Serb_CentralCroatia
2.338 P.Demić = 64% Hungarian_Slovakia_West + 36% Serb_CentralCroatia
2.393 P.Demić = 60% Serb_CentralCroatia + 40% German_County_Glatz
2.447 P.Demić = 59% Hungarian_Transdanubia_Central+West + 41% Serb_CentralCroatia
2.463 P.Demić = 62% Hungarian_Transdanubia_South + 38% Serb_CentralCroatia
2.479 P.Demić = 66% Hungarian_Central+Budapest + 34% Serb_CentralCroatia
2.508 P.Demić = 75% Serb_CentralCroatia + 25% German_Brandenburg_Northwest
2.564 P.Demić = 60% Croat_GorskiKotar + 40% Serb_CentralCroatia
2.629 P.Demić = 77% Serb_CentralCroatia + 23% German_Hither_Pomerania
2.631 P.Demić = 68% Serb_CentralCroatia + 32% German_Saxony
2.642 P.Demić = 81% Serb_CentralCroatia + 19% Swedish_East-Svealand
2.647 P.Demić = 52% Serb_CentralCroatia + 48% Hungarian_Vojvodina+Banat
2.751 P.Demić = 81% Serb_CentralCroatia + 19% Swedish_Norrland
2.754 P.Demić = 68% Serb_CentralCroatia + 32% German_North_Bohemia
2.789 P.Demić = 68% Serb_CentralCroatia + 32% German_Thuringia_East
2.809 P.Demić = 82% Serb_CentralCroatia + 18% Swedish_West-Svealand
2.828 P.Demić = 79% Serb_CentralCroatia + 21% German_Mecklenburg_West
2.870 P.Demić = 88% Csángó-Ceangău + 12% Serb_CentralCroatia
2.873 P.Demić = 51% Serb_CentralCroatia + 49% Slovene
In 18th century kaykavians from NW Croatia and Gorski Kotar setlled around Glina, Petrinja and Kostajnica. In the same period in southern part of Banija around Dvor settled some Bunjevci from Lika. Kaykavians returned in 18th century in the parts of Banija after over 200 years, since Banija before Ottomans was kaykavian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Map of kaykavian about 100 years ago, as you can see parts of Banija are kaykavian zones. Serbs were majority in Banija until 1990s, but among Croatian minority most mumerous were kaykavians.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ajkavstina.png
Whats his surname?Quote:
Originally Posted by Varda
Demić. You can see his profile at Poreklo via link down (his surname Is written in nick in profile).Quote:
Originally Posted by Frotous
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Originally Posted by Varda