interesting, that's quite surprising it's more Germanic than I would have thought, given your known ancestry. Why do you think that is?
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interesting, that's quite surprising it's more Germanic than I would have thought, given your known ancestry. Why do you think that is?
I feel like some of the Iron Age Germanic is soaking up some of the Celtic since both groups have similar proportions of Steppe/ANF/WHG. I've done models with Iron Age Gauls and it pukes when Iron Age Germanics are added. To me, that tells me that qpAdm sees the similar proportions of Steppe Pastoralist, Anatolian Farmer, and West European hunter-Gatherer and can't make up it's mind where its coming from: Celtic or Germanic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier727
This one isn't too bad:
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standard errors are higher than I'd like which feeds into my thoughts about Celtic and Germanic groups having similar admixtures.
Or I am wrong and I am more Germanic than Celtic. I wouldn't think so considering my known ancestry. On the whole average English are roughly 60/40 Celtic/Germanic. French are still mostly IA Gaulish and Scottish and Irish have picked up some Germanic but not as much as the English.
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you need a continental celtic pop for gallic ancestry (i used R2055.SG + NOR2B6.SG ). also I'd use Scotland_IA for insular celtic. definitely an overestimateQuote:
Originally Posted by Gannicus
These were the right pops i used for a personal iron age model on myself:
Mbuti.DG, Czechia_IA_LaTene.AG, France_MN.AG, Germany_Tollense_BA.SG, Switzerland_EBA_1.AG, England_EIA.AG, France_Alsace_Lingolsheim_EBA.AG, France_N.AG, France_Occitanie_IA2.SG, Germany_BellBeaker.AG, Germany_Saxony_LBK_N.SG, Hungary_IA_LaTene.AG, Latvia_BA.AG, Sweden_IA.SG, England_IA.AG, England_MIA.AG, Sweden_IA_2.SG, Sweden_Viking.SG, Switzerland_LN.AG, Sweden_Mesolithic.SG, Norway_North_Pre_Viking.SG
It took quite a few attempts and basically, I had to use Scotland LIA instead of Scotland IA. This is my result with your references:Quote:
Originally Posted by drb234
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germanic looks about right considering your ancestry but i think insular celtic is too lowQuote:
Originally Posted by Gannicus
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Originally Posted by Gannicus
Yeah, that makes sense. Celtic and Germanic both draw from very similar Steppe/ANF/WHG proportions, so it's likely that qpAdm might be struggling to cleanly separate them, unless you've got a really well chosen ref list. I would agree that broadly, the English average is probably somewhere around 30–50% Germanic, maybe slightly higher depending on region, so considering you have quite a sizable amount of English it’s possible for you to come out a bit more Germanic-shifted
I'm still experimenting with your references. Using Scotland EIA bumps up the Insular.Quote:
Originally Posted by drb234
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I just watched AndreiDNA's video (the one you posted). It's actually a very clever idea. My apologies for criticizing his method.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gannicus
Here's a couple more:
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And this one is with French Bell Beakers. Different references though.
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model with scotland_mia looks very solidQuote:
Originally Posted by Gannicus
My grandmother's result. Her Slavic admixture is much higher than mine (around 30% higher), even though we're both from the same region.
p value: 0.1449|Feasibility: TRUE|
Ukraine_Medieval_Rus.SG_VK541.SG 22.23 +/- 7.37 %
Egyptian.HO_Egypt7.HO 9.41 +/- 10.69 %
Italy_Imperial.SG_R126.SG 68.37 +/- 14.84 %
Denmark IA, Scotland IA, France Grand est, Drb234's model
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How much non-English Germanic ancestry do you have? That's quite high Germanic for an Englishman if true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier727
These are more models of myself with Drb's references
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The following are models with a medieval Breton(
France_Medieval_o.AG_I15027.AG). Drb's references still:
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if i remember correctly he has a german grandfather, regardless the model inflates germanic by about 3%. I made a model that gave me 48.3% with lower standard-errors but I forgot to save the right pops for itQuote:
Originally Posted by J. Ketch
https://i.postimg.cc/pTXwhxX7/fafafaff.webp
the newer model he posted that i made gives me 51.4% which is probably too high
100% England_EastYorkshire_MIA.AG_I12412.AG
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references:
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Maybe too broad of a reference set.
Model of myself with Medieval Gael + Gallo Roman + Norway IA:
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Originally Posted by J. Ketch
None recently — as far as I know my ancestry is almost entirely from the South East of England (Sussex, Kent, Norfolk, Essex). I do have a small amount German, but it’s all the way back in the 1600s. Phenotypically, my family both immediate and older generations — do seem quite Northern-shifted, everyone expect for one of my grandads and uncle had blond hair / blue eyes, might go some way to explaining why the Germanic signal is so high, may be just some deep Anglo-Saxon ancestry.
Thanks. I've wondered before what the maximum amount of Germanic ancestry an English individual might have, and I'd imagine you might be pushing the limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier727