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I am talking about if a certain ancestry pops up every single time it means something. However, you can interpret it a multitude of ways. Some things though are just proxies for Caucasus type ancestry such as Georgia Jews or Azerbaijan Jews. When people get this or Armenian or Georgian it means Caucasus type ancestry either recent or ancient. If someone gets Moroccan or Algerian it means some type of Northwest African ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZephyrousMandaru
Well then, for example, do you think these tests are unhelpful for adopted folks?!Quote:
Originally Posted by ZephyrousMandaru
Or hypothetically, an American child of Iraqi Arab immigrants takes the test and clusters with Assyrians on every calculator. Would you say he or she is wrong to conclude his or her particular family is descendant of Arabized Assyrians?!
Most of it ancient, no it doesn't necessarily indicate Caucasus admixture. It takes disparate parts of each of their genomes, comprising a microcosm of alleles. Then takes those parts, examines your genotype qualitatively and searches for similarities between aspects of those genomes. Whether in part or as a whole. It shows common ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by objectiverealist
Armenians aren't 100% Caucasus, they also have Mediterranean, Southwest Asian and Gedrosian admixture. Which is what these Oracles account for. Take my Oracle Reference 3 Harappa Ancestry Project results for example.
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[1,] "75.3% Iraqi Mandaean + 24.7% kurd" "1.7331"
[2,] "89.3% Iraqi Mandaean + 10.7% urkarah" "1.934"
[3,] "80.9% Iraqi Mandaean + 19.1% chechens" "1.9985"
[4,] "16.5% lezgins + 83.5% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.0307"
[5,] "88.4% Iraqi Mandaean + 11.6% stalskoe" "2.0654"
[6,] "18.9% adygei + 81.1% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.1009"
[7,] "52.2% Iraqi Mandaean + 47.8% kurds" "2.1568"
[8,] "79.1% Iraqi Mandaean + 20.9% kumyks" "2.2159"
[9,] "42.3% Georgian + 57.7% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.2198"
[10,] "90.7% Iraqi Mandaean + 9.3% Romany" "2.2385"
[11,] "62% Iraqi Mandaean + 38% abhkasians" "2.2416"
[12,] "36% georgians + 64% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.2654"
[13,] "77.3% Iraqi Mandaean + 22.7% north-ossetians" "2.2806"
[14,] "79.8% Iraqi Mandaean + 20.2% balkars" "2.2919"
[15,] "5.8% lithuanians + 94.2% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4203"
[16,] "6.2% russian + 93.8% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4369"
[17,] "30% Azeri + 70% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4427"
[18,] "16.7% bedouin + 83.3% kurds" "2.4511"
[19,] "5.3% finnish + 94.7% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4551"
[20,] "6.2% belorussian + 93.8% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.46"
[21,] "93.6% Iraqi Mandaean + 6.4% mordovians" "2.4697"
[22,] "24.6% palestinian + 75.4% kurds" "2.4796"
[23,] "16.5% saudis + 83.5% kurds" "2.4917"
[24,] "14.3% yemen-jews + 85.7% kurds" "2.5016"
[25,] "6% paniya + 94% armenians" "2.5213"
[26,] "6% malayan + 94% armenians" "2.526"
[27,] "6.3% sahariya + 93.7% armenians" "2.5283"
[28,] "93.5% Iraqi Mandaean + 6.5% ukranians" "2.5528"
[29,] "93.7% Iraqi Mandaean + 6.3% slovenian" "2.5532"
[30,] "37.9% syrians + 62.1% kurds" "2.564"
[31,] "94% Iraqi Mandaean + 6% n-european" "2.5688"
[32,] "6.2% Dhurwa + 93.8% armenians" "2.5731"
[33,] "6.1% Nihali + 93.9% armenians" "2.5737"
[34,] "6.3% orcadian + 93.7% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.5801"
[35,] "6.3% satnami + 93.7% armenians" "2.5847"
[36,] "5.9% Pulliyar + 94.1% armenians" "2.5998"
[37,] "6.1% kurumba + 93.9% armenians" "2.5998"
[38,] "6% asur + 94% armenians" "2.6044"
[39,] "6% santhal + 94% armenians" "2.6123"
[40,] "10.2% romanians + 89.8% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.6139"
[41,] "79.6% druze + 20.4% Haryana Jatt" "2.6144"
[42,] "6.4% Gond + 93.6% armenians" "2.617"
[43,] "6.6% utahn-whites + 93.4% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.6171"
[44,] "6.4% british + 93.6% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.619"
[45,] "6.1% Bhunjia + 93.9% armenians" "2.6202"
[46,] "7.4% hungarians + 92.6% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.6269"
[47,] "6% mawasi + 94% armenians" "2.6319"
[48,] "6% Mawasi + 94% armenians" "2.6413"
[49,] "60% Iraqi Arab + 40% kurd" "2.6417"
[50,] "6% Tamil Vishwakarma + 94% armenians" "2.6556"
I'm not descended from any of these populations, but what Oracle is detecting are the patterns of my genetic substructure matching some percentage, of each of these populations. Now if I was a gullible idiot, and I genuinely thought I was 60% Iraqi Arab and 40% Kurdish. I would be wrong, since Iraqi Arabs and Kurds aren't in my Relative Finder.
Although you can conclude you are descended from populations similar to the two. It basically indicates Mesopotamian ancestry which you do have.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZephyrousMandaru
I did already. In the thread for it Eurogenes K15 V2. Why are you against that im Jewish, i dont know if i am but why does it bother you,Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinv-Gladiator
Computers don't lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZephyrousMandaru
I think we've confirmed you are. Time to change your name to RomajewQuote:
Originally Posted by mrswan
no it is not confirmed, 23andme didnt confirmed it. their response left me unsatisfied and without knowledge and confirmationQuote:
Originally Posted by Anglojew
Georgian_Jewish is a proxy for Caucasus type ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anglojew
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anglojew
No, but literal interpretations can be faulty and should be cautioned against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anglojew
Not entirely, Georgian Jews have Southwest Asian, Mediterranean and other alleles that makeup their ancestry. It isn't just measuring "Caucasus" ancestry. A better candidate for that would be Abkhazians, Georgians (Non-Jews) and Adygei. Georgian Jews cluster quite far away from other Georgians. If they're like the Jew Tats, then they probably origins in Iran or Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by objectiverealist
I know I was kidding but I think you're a proto-IsraeliteQuote:
Originally Posted by ZephyrousMandaru
That's kind of stating the obvious about the ancient origins of the Assyrian people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anglojew
I don't even know what that means, because I don't have any Proto-Israelite specimens to compare my genotype with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anglojew
Not everything needs to be so literal and scientific. Just take something at face-value for once.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZephyrousMandaru
Yes he or she is probably an Arabized Assyrian. Many Iraqi Arabs in the North are Arabized Assyrians. This can be seen by some Northern Iraqi Arabs who took their test.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaerieQueene
I'm a skeptic, I don't take anything at face value. That's the difference between you and I.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaerieQueene
I think the Israelites did originate from the Assyrio-Mandean population. Mandeans who are Babylonians and Abraham was Babylonian. Also Assyrians were brothers to the Babylonians so I think the theory makes sense.
No the difference between you and I is that it's not always necessary to be a skeptic. Questioning everything is great, I am a questioner myself. But sometimes you just gotta take things as they are without further inspection becuase they are obviously already correct. Not to mention the fact that I actually have integrity and loyalty in friendships.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZephyrousMandaru
Baltic 30.75
North_Atlantic 22.97
West_Med 14.21
East_Med 13.67
Red_Sea 5.23
West_Asian 5.18
Siberian 4.47
South_Asian 2.6
Northeast_African 0.91
Probably my fav eurogenes calculator so far. Also I know somebody probably asked about it but is the red sea supposed to represent some sort of middle east component?
Red Sea is pretty much Arabian/SouthwestAsian but it's got some NortheastAfrican alleles. This calculator is just too similar to K15 in my opinion, there's no real comparison or difference between the two. Anyway, what's your actual ethnic background?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Qorgyle
Northern Russian, Ukrainian/Moldovan, Ashkenazi, Volga Tatar, distant Uzbek/Tajiik ancestry to go along with that mess. Most of the time my oracle results are along the lines of 80% russian and 20% Egyptian but this time it got my Ashkenazi ancestry pretty spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaerieQueene
The Northeast African cluster seems Eurasian-shifted too so it's not a big deal. I don't think the Red_Sea component is less West Eurasian than the East Eurasian-shifted Baltic, North Atlantic and West Asian.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaerieQueene
They should add a Northwest African component.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaerieQueene
Interesting mix you've got, so the AJ in you must be about a quarter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qorgyle
No surprise there, Horners are Caucasoid-shifted SSAs.Quote:
Originally Posted by chwarae
Well the Red_Sea component is pretty much the most SSA-shifted of all the 'pure Caucasoid' components.Quote:
I don't think the Red_Sea component is less West Eurasian than the East Eurasian-shifted Baltic, North Atlantic and West Asian.
Sure, I just wanted to clarify that the "Eurasian-ness" of the Northeast African cluster may counterbalance that.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaerieQueene
That might throw everything off for some people. Why should we cater to those butthurt Octoroon/Quadroons?!:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by objectiverealist
Makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by chwarae
Oracle is updated and PCA option is available..
Awesome! I will check it right now.....Quote:
Originally Posted by MfA_
PCA is Horrible. Either that or it still needs work. No matter how I set it both my parents are clustering with Papuan. WTF?!
Yea same here :eek: tested loads of different settings and I ended up with Papuan, Melaneisan, and other very distant populations to my genetic ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaerieQueene
They should have released it after it was finished and fully functional.:picard2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazik
haha same here, I literally tried every possible combinations..Quote:
Originally Posted by FaerieQueene
Baltic 48.64%
North_Atlantic 33.12%
Siberian 8.70%
West_Med 4.05%
West_Asian 1.55%
South_Asian 1.52%
Oceanian 1.06%
Amerindian 1.06%
East_Asian 0.25%
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Finnish 2.55
2 Finnish 3.06
3 Estonian 6.23
4 Southwest_Finnish 8.23
5 Kargopol_Russian 8.99
6 Belorussian 10.23
7 Lithuanian 10.76
8 Russian 12.27
9 Erzya 12.38
10 Ukrainian_Northeast 13.38
11 Ukrainian 13.8
12 Polish 13.84
13 Ukrainian_West 14.67
14 North_Swedish 16.2
15 Hungarian 21.3
16 Chuvash 21.59
17 Austrian 22.56
18 Swedish 22.8
19 Norwegian 24.37
20 Mari 26.37
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.8% East_Finnish + 10.2% North_Swedish @ 1.79
2 58% East_Finnish + 42% Finnish @ 1.83
3 81.8% East_Finnish + 18.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.83
4 93.2% East_Finnish + 6.8% Norwegian @ 1.83
5 92.9% East_Finnish + 7.1% Swedish @ 1.87
6 94.7% East_Finnish + 5.3% West_Scottish @ 1.9
7 94.5% East_Finnish + 5.5% Danish @ 1.93
8 94.7% East_Finnish + 5.3% Irish @ 1.93
9 94.6% East_Finnish + 5.4% Orcadian @ 1.93
10 95.3% East_Finnish + 4.7% Southwest_English @ 2.01
11 95.1% East_Finnish + 4.9% Southeast_English @ 2.01
12 94.6% East_Finnish + 5.4% Dutch @ 2.04
13 95.1% East_Finnish + 4.9% German @ 2.16
14 92.4% Finnish + 7.6% Mari @ 2.18
15 96.8% Finnish + 3.2% Selkup @ 2.22
16 97.9% East_Finnish + 2.1% French_Basque @ 2.3
17 96.9% Finnish + 3.1% Ket @ 2.31
18 97.2% East_Finnish + 2.8% French @ 2.36
19 98.2% East_Finnish + 1.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.4
20 98.1% East_Finnish + 1.9% Southwest_French @ 2.42
Ok I started something like MDS collaboration.. I'll add anyone to the main MDS plot who enters his/her results into the spreadsheet..
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...pdVM0enc#gid=0
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post2120192
Edit: fixed
How do I do the PCA, what doI select for the Axis?Quote:
Originally Posted by MfA_
i don't know see previous posts..Quote:
Originally Posted by orangepulp