Croat K13 regional (and national) averages

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

I used average made by Ph2ter, those include people with no known foreign ancestry. :)

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What name is your NW Croat average under? I must have missed it.

I only included people with foreign ancestry cause I assumed it was the norm there (those with foreign ancestry don't seem to be more CE-shifted). But I agree its better to exclude them when possible.

By the way, I don't think it makes sense to include everyone in ph2ter's family. Like his parents or kids. Since they're related by blood to him, it would skew the average. Its like posting one person's results more than once when calculating the average. But I don't know if he did that.

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Originally Posted by MoroLP

@Est. 1992, what is the result of a distance and single of the individual of Istria & Medimurje origin recently sent you?

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Could you remind me, please? Maybe you sent PM I didn't get or I don't remember. I only have laptop in last week so my data is not available for me (I am on the Island, got a pass to leave the city). Database is stored on my home PC, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

What name is your NW Croat average under? I must have missed it.

I only included people with foreign ancestry cause I assumed it was the norm there (those with foreign ancestry don't seem to be more CE-shifted). But I agree its better to exclude them when possible.

By the way, I don't think it makes sense to include everyone in ph2ter's family. Like his parents or kids. Since they're related by blood to him, it would skew the average. Its like posting one person's results more than once when calculating the average. But I don't know if he did that.

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It's not the norm, NW Croats aren't mixed in vast majority.
That average is called Croat_Zagorje or previously Kajkavian_Croatian, I just changed the name.

Croat_Zagorje,32.40,34.24,12.44,7.93,7.81,1.49,1.3 2,0.75,0.15,1.18,0.23,0.00,0.06

It's off Vahaduo but it will be back.

It is 4 samples, Ph2ter, his son, father and wife. Not ideal, but that's what we have.
I have 1 more NW Croatian sample I got since than, will be added to average.

Also I ordered Myheritage kit for older woman who married into my Island, she is native of eastern Slavonia.
I already have 2 Slavonian Croat samples, with hers it will be 3 and we will finally have basic average for east Croatia.

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Originally Posted by MoroLP

@Est. 1992, what is the result of a distance and single of the individual of Istria & Medimurje origin recently sent you?

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It will be nice to see the results of the sample from Medjimurje, since it is on border with Hungary with a lot of historical influence, probably very alike Hungarian profiles.

You think all of Zagorje's North Atlantic comes from Celtic tribes living in the area?

I didn't include all my family. Probably only dad and wife, don't remember.

I have one more sample from Zagorje. But it is slightly mixed (small percentage of Czech and Jew - I_P)

Group North_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian Northeast_African Sub-Saharan
Croat_NW 31.65 32.88 13.00 8.90 9.33 1.07 0.63 0.22 0.22 1.17 0.31 0.00 0.09
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I_P______ 30.47 34.32 14.81 5.28 11.04 1.51 0.00 0.00 1.09 0.60 0.00 0.45 0.42
ph2terWife 32.29 33.74 12.26 9.91 07.07 0.46 1.82 1.10 0.00 1.16 0.00 0.00 0.19
ph2ter_son 31.96 33.97 12.11 8.87 07.22 2.10 0.79 1.40 0.00 1.06 0.00 0.00 0.51
ph2ter____ 33.10 34.98 12.26 7.75 06.51 2.23 1.09 0.00 0.36 1.33 0.38 0.00 0.00
ph2ter_dad 31.82 33.99 12.80 6.12 09.84 1.78 1.06 1.15 0.10 1.05 0.30 0.00 0.00

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Also I ordered Myheritage kit for older woman who married into my Island, she is native of eastern Slavonia.
I already have 2 Slavonian Croat samples, with hers it will be 3 and we will finally have basic average for east Croatia.

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I remember I used to match a guy with the surname Dragičević, but his kit is now gone, probably because the person hasn't checked-up on it since the new gedmatch policy. After uploading my mom's raw data to ftdna, I found him among her matches - he's from Stari Mikanovci in east Slavonia. If his kit ever becomes available again, I'll let you know.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Could you remind me, please? Maybe you sent PM I didn't get or I don't remember. I only have laptop in last week so my data is not available for me (I am on the Island, got a pass to leave the city). Database is stored on my home PC, unfortunately.

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Possibly didn't receive it, had some problems with the server. Well, will post here the EU13 results.

1) 30.77,33.45,13.10,6.89,13.45,0,1.02,0,0,0.44,0.86, 0,0

The individual paternal side is from villages around Pazin and Zminj (Northern Chakavian dialect), while maternal side from Medimurje.

2) 22.71,39.93,14.55,4.08,14.98,2.41,0,0.86,0,0,0.48, 0,0

I don't know exactly from where this sample is, but is from the same uploader, and closely related to the first in 1.5-2 generation, probably as a cousin from Istria (presume by Italian *name and NA-Baltic ratio). The uploader didn't answer me yet.