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01-02-2022, 09:32 AM
mariusz99

I'm impressed, really impressed. I'm so impresed just like last time when I detected Parsi India/Bangladeshi for my girlfriend with K13 and G25. MyHeritage was to weak to show it...
My grandma results with almost full datasheet shows Lower Saxony. 1000% accuracy.

Target: babcia
Distance: 1.2248% / 1.22482924
43.2 Belarusian_Minsk
21.5 German_Lower_Saxony_north
16.3 German_East_Prussia_Masuria
11.3 Russian_Pskov
5.9 German_West_Prussia
0.9 Jat_Punjab
0.6 Gujarati
0.3 Upper_Silesia

Thank you Stearsolina and Rothaer for new, very accurate averages :)
01-02-2022, 10:00 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

It is done. Big thanks to rothaer! :D K13 New Year gift.

Code:

German_Saxony,37.14,34.35,13.58,5.86,5.61,0.87,1.08,0.06,0.25,0.58,0.30,0.14,0.17 German_Upper_Swabia,41.54,22.90,15.28,6.77,10.64,0.68,0.72,0.27,0.41,0.34,0.39,0.00,0.05 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south,41.19,31.63,11.12,5.16,7.34,1.02,0.62,0.25,0.28,0.56,0.50,0.20,0.12 German_West_Mecklenburg,45.13,33.44,9.22,6.21,3.28,0.16,0.49,0.62,0.34,0.34,0.33,0.43,0.00 German_North_Hesse,43.69,22.35,14.83,4.48,10.49,1.78,0,0.69,0,0.86,0.22,0,0.6 German_Central_Hesse,41.92,26.21,14.96,8.9,5.73,0.87,0,0.9,0,0,0.45,0.05,0 German_South_Hesse,41.78,21.94,17.52,5.66,8.80,1.50,0.66,0.33,0.41,0.56,0.46,0.11,0.27 German_Lower_Franconia,41.02,24.79,15.76,6.57,8.84,0.72,0.67,0.15,0.00,0.82,0.04,0.53,0.08 German_North_Bohemia,38.27,31.61,13.93,5.63,7.42,0.38,0.90,0.53,0.10,0.41,0.50,0.00,0.31 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony,39.15,31.43,12.59,6.21,7.42,1.47,0.00,0.03,0.15,0.02,0.00,1.12,0.39 German_Saarland,43.97,19.91,19.32,7.13,6.82,0.88,1.54,0.00,0.00,0.19,0.00,0.26,0.00 German_Bavaria_proper,40.02,23.94,15.40,7.03,10.46,1.26,0.35,0.29,0.25,0.58,0.36,0.04,0.00 German_Bavarian_Swabia,34.71,26.3,19.15,7.19,11.37,0,0,0,0,0.37,0.4,0,0.46 German_North_Rhine,43.32,22.19,15.70,7.63,8.21,0.71,0.91,0.15,0.26,0.14,0.38,0.26,0.15 German_North_Baden,41.05,22.09,17.19,6.37,10.17,0.35,0.68,0.38,0.58,0.17,0.53,0.28,0.16 German_East_Prussia_Memelland,29.91,52.02,10.63,3.88,0,0,1.83,0,0.81,0.58,0,0,0.34 German_East_Prussia_Masuria,33.26,44.37,9.00,4.57,3.12,0.15,2.31,0.47,0.75,0.74,0.61,0.00,0.68 German_Hither_Pomerania,44.4,31.31,9.62,7.56,4.12,0.7,0.43,0.31,0.88,0.2,0,0.48,0 German_Farther_Pomerania,39.85,37.28,9.79,5.50,2.77,1.10,1.82,0.00,0.07,0.45,0.35,1.02,0.04 Upper_Silesia,33.01,43.21,9.27,6.4,5.21,0.26,0.67,0,1.04,0.31,0.58,0,0.06 German_County_Glatz,35.77,31.04,14.63,8.13,7.64,0.3,0,1.02,0,0.72,0,0.72,0 Austrian_Upper_Austria,41.93,23.93,16.96,8.73,6.52,1.43,0,0.22,0,0,0.16,0.1,0 German_Lower_Saxony_north,50.86,28.10,10.10,5.94,2.03,0.00,1.50,0.78,0.00,0.18,0.48,0.03,0.00 German_Lower_Saxony_south,48.89,25.02,11.37,6.26,4.56,0.58,1.97,0.00,0.24,0.31,0.05,0.16,0.58 German_Westphalia,49.31,25.15,11.25,7.18,3.97,0.69,0.72,0.18,0.07,0.79,0.10,0.10,0.50 German_West_Prussia,35.60,39.30,11.20,6.60,4.18,0.25,0.89,0.00,0.68,0.34,0.47,0.00,0.48 German_Rhineland-Palatinate,42.42,21.25,16.46,7.21,8.90,1.51,0.02,0.20,1.11,0.20,0.23,0.33,0.16 Austrian_Lower_Austria,35.32,24.04,19.78,9.1,9.12,0.4,1.02,0,0,0.32,0.89,0,0 German_Hamburg,50.83,28.92,8.41,3.93,4.04,1.33,1.32,0,0.62,0.15,0,0.45,0 German_Frisian,55.45,25.92,9.33,2.93,1.79,1.02,2.22,0,0.33,0,1,0,0 German_Schleswig-Holstein,49.59,28.21,13.33,5.42,0,1.79,0,1.19,0,0,0,0,0.47 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow),26.92,44.46,14.49,5.95,6.25,0,0,0.72,0,0.17,0.74,0,0.3 Austrian_Carinthia,34.35,34.42,13.15,3.82,10.84,1.04,1.43,0,0.39,0,0.11,0.1,0

Distance to: Mother(Lower_Franconia)
3.31728805 German_Lower_Franconia
3.51957384 German_Central_Hesse
4.38505416 Austrian_Upper_Austria
4.40295355 Austrian
4.73492344 German_Bavaria_proper
5.25397944 French_Alsace
5.68814557 German_North_Bohemia
5.78847994 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
5.93646359 German_Upper_Swabia
6.11973856 German_County_Glatz
6.20115312 German_South_Hesse
6.21578635 German_North_Rhine
6.25196769 Swiss_German
6.35897004 German_North_Baden
6.76110198 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
7.06093478 Afrikaner
7.14986713 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
7.32492321 Belgian
7.38554670 Flemish
7.40425553 Pennsylvania_Dutch
7.44330572 Austrian_Lower_Austria
7.63902481 Dutch_South
7.65245059 German_North_Hesse
7.65422759 French_Northeast
7.78628281 German_Bavarian_Swabia
01-02-2022, 10:18 AM
rothaer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creoda

I can see the Frisian average is a bit out there and based on one sample, I'd recommend using this one too.

Code:

Nordfriesland1 49.66 27.9 10.41 3.62 3.86 0.74 1.43 0 1.66 0.58 0 0 0.13 T381963

A few others that I don't know if you used or not. If any of the kits/gedcoms are no longer working I'm pretty sure I checked them myself.

Schleswig-Holstein

Code:

SH1 50.67 25.39 11.43 4.89 5.44 0.13 0 0.08 0 0.69 0.72 0.38 0.17 T166457 SH2 54.08 26.84 10.79 1.49 2.49 2.1 1.18 0 0 0 0.36 0.45 0.22 H583226 SH3 49.58 28.9 10.42 4.84 3.98 0 0.83 0.18 0 1.27 0 0 0 T717539

Hamburg

Code:

Hamburg1 48.79 26.74 9.26 5.84 5.41 0 0.66 0 0.29 1.79 0.95 0.27 0 H150101 Hamburg2 44.14 28.51 14.42 4.75 5.54 0 0 0.2 0.41 1.2 0 0.17 0.65 H934074

Thanks for these!

I checked them with the following results:

Nordfriesland kit is not in the data base (btw. Frisians are minorioty in North Frisland, so it would be expected to be an non-Frisian, even if indigenous).

SH1 is half from NRW according to the GEDCOM.
SH2 is good and even from Schleswig part only.
SH3 is good and can be said Schleswig-Holstein in general.

Hamburg1 has two parents from Hamburg, but the grandparents are not visible from where they are, even if partly died in Hamburg.
Hamburg2 has no GEDCOM.

To keep the current confidence level of the data I'll use and add SH2 and SH3. :thumb001:
01-02-2022, 10:29 AM
rothaer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smitty

This is really great. Thanks, Stearsolina and rothaer. It looks like Vorpommern is heavily Germanic? (...) And Hinterpommern, although predictably more Slavic than Vorpommern, is only about half Slavic. Do we know where in Hinterpommern the samples came from?

In the whole of Pomerania the more coastal areas with heavy soils were more settled by Germans in the middle ages than the inland and Vorpommern is a rather "coastal" part, so it is elevated Germanic, maybe even more then the average of Mecklenburg.

The Hinterpommern references are from Regenwalde area and from Lauenburg/Stolp area, so you can say half from the center and half from the east.
01-02-2022, 10:35 AM
rothaer

First me and then 5 children with an untested wife1. You can see that wife1 will not have notably deviated in her ancestry composition from me - though our both ancestry actually is regionally diverse. In all following results I for curiosity emphasize my three closest pops.

Distance to: rothaer
4.39591856 German_Farther_Pomerania
4.63551507 German_Saxony
5.22375344 German_West_Prussia
7.38247926 German_North_Bohemia
7.39816869 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
7.59100784 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
8.97856336 German_West_Mecklenburg
8.99742185 Austrian_Carinthia
9.32889061 German_County_Glatz
9.43978813 Austrian
9.53106500 German_Hither_Pomerania
9.59444110 Upper_Silesia
10.20698780 German_East_Prussia_Masuria
11.40726085 German
12.87113826 German_Central_Hesse
14.28801596 German_Lower_Franconia
14.63136699 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
14.91730874 German_Schleswig-Holstein
15.29800967 Austrian_Upper_Austria
15.42379655 German_Bavaria_proper
15.48067505 German_Hamburg
15.78507523 German_Bavarian_Swabia
15.96985598 German_Lower_Saxony_north
16.27794213 German_Lower_Saxony_south
16.55760248 German_Westphalia

Distance to: rothaer_child1
4.03254262 German_Farther_Pomerania
4.45911426 German_West_Prussia
5.52650884 German_Saxony
8.54861977 German_North_Bohemia
8.60455693 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
8.82580874 German_West_Mecklenburg
8.89263178 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
9.14788500 Upper_Silesia
9.67908570 German_East_Prussia_Masuria
9.68163726 German_Hither_Pomerania
9.85894011 German_County_Glatz
10.62272564 Austrian
10.84578720 Austrian_Carinthia
12.39298592 German
13.30823429 German_Central_Hesse
14.31370672 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
14.93501925 German_Schleswig-Holstein
15.33886893 German_Lower_Franconia
15.93775392 Austrian_Upper_Austria
16.04737985 German_Lower_Saxony_north
16.11803958 German_Hamburg
16.66465721 German_Bavaria_proper
16.80377041 German_Bavarian_Swabia
16.83877965 German_Lower_Saxony_south
16.86918789 German_Westphalia

Distance to: rothaer_child2
3.83313188 German_Saxony
4.99533783 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
5.16914887 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
5.29608346 German_North_Bohemia
5.31275823 German_Farther_Pomerania
7.40411372 German_West_Prussia
7.50016666 Austrian
7.53910472 German_West_Mecklenburg
7.70948118 German_Hither_Pomerania
7.81140832 German_County_Glatz
8.57680010 German
8.59918019 Austrian_Carinthia
10.31723316 German_Central_Hesse
11.49710833 German_Lower_Franconia
12.06489121 Upper_Silesia
12.65126081 Austrian_Upper_Austria
12.77264264 German_Schleswig-Holstein
12.81313389 German_Bavaria_proper
12.94589896 German_East_Prussia_Masuria
13.45195897 German_Hamburg
13.79381383 German_Lower_Saxony_south
13.88057996 German_Upper_Swabia
13.88482985 German_Bavarian_Swabia
13.91483381 German_Lower_Saxony_north
14.05719389 German_Westphalia

Distance to: rothaer_child3
4.06922597 German_Farther_Pomerania
4.96216687 German_Saxony
5.00148978 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
5.55533077 German_West_Mecklenburg
5.83170644 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
5.99965832 German_Hither_Pomerania
6.33344298 German_North_Bohemia
7.03881382 German_West_Prussia
8.63228243 Austrian
8.74885707 German_County_Glatz
8.88615215 German
9.92126504 Austrian_Carinthia
10.57280947 German_Central_Hesse
11.69280976 Upper_Silesia
12.28488502 German_Schleswig-Holstein
12.29930486 German_Lower_Franconia
12.34646508 German_Hamburg
12.54442904 German_East_Prussia_Masuria
12.73005106 German_Lower_Saxony_north
13.09472795 German_Lower_Saxony_south
13.23633257 German_Westphalia
13.31837828 Austrian_Upper_Austria
13.61580699 German_Bavaria_proper
14.49758256 German_Upper_Swabia
14.66593672 German_North_Rhine

Distance to: rothaer_child4
4.64303780 German_West_Prussia
4.67099561 German_Saxony
5.70549735 German_Farther_Pomerania
7.91513740 German_North_Bohemia
8.43240772 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
9.02860454 Upper_Silesia
9.15878813 Austrian_Carinthia
9.16008734 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
9.18546678 German_County_Glatz
9.56253105 German_East_Prussia_Masuria
9.84235744 Austrian
10.72239712 German_West_Mecklenburg
11.26579780 German_Hither_Pomerania
12.55881364 German
12.93568321 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
13.62324484 German_Central_Hesse
14.99445898 German_Lower_Franconia
15.53151635 German_Bavarian_Swabia
15.89257374 Austrian_Upper_Austria
16.16826831 German_Bavaria_proper
16.18516296 German_Schleswig-Holstein
16.78143617 Austrian_Lower_Austria
16.85802183 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
17.43660231 German_Hamburg
17.45181366 German_Upper_Swabia

Distance to: rothaer_child5
1.72667310 German_Saxony
4.02981389 German_North_Bohemia
4.53081670 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
5.54261671 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
5.58616147 German_County_Glatz
6.00054997 German_West_Prussia
6.01259511 German_Farther_Pomerania
6.09934423 Austrian
7.33570719 Austrian_Carinthia
8.42286175 German_Hither_Pomerania
8.71751111 German_West_Mecklenburg
8.99894438 German
9.91852812 German_Central_Hesse
10.86709253 Upper_Silesia
11.17957960 German_Lower_Franconia
12.24194021 German_Bavaria_proper
12.27292141 German_East_Prussia_Masuria
12.34092379 German_Bavarian_Swabia
12.34878537 Austrian_Upper_Austria
13.51479930 German_Upper_Swabia
13.57643547 Austrian_Lower_Austria
14.12939489 German_North_Rhine
14.30709964 German_North_Baden
14.30770771 German_South_Hesse
14.44287714 German_Schleswig-Holstein

Then wife2 that is fully from Mecklenburg and three children with her:

Distance to: rothaer_wife2
3.14671257 German_West_Mecklenburg
5.53250395 German_Hither_Pomerania
6.95854151 German_Hamburg
7.46111922 German_Lower_Saxony_north
8.62310269 German_Farther_Pomerania
8.68092737 German_Schleswig-Holstein
9.13161541 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
10.24599434 German_Westphalia
10.40977425 German_Lower_Saxony_south
10.94814139 German
11.34369869 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
12.04457554 German_Frisian
12.21476975 German_Saxony
12.36447330 German_North_Bohemia
12.99753053 German_Central_Hesse
13.49674035 German_West_Prussia
14.46644393 Austrian
15.10072184 German_County_Glatz
15.36294243 German_Lower_Franconia
15.74110860 Austrian_Upper_Austria
16.19790110 German_North_Rhine
16.55631602 German_North_Hesse
16.63038785 Austrian_Carinthia
16.96791973 German_Bavaria_proper
17.01258946 German_Upper_Swabia

Distance to: rothaer_child6
4.22454731 German_Hither_Pomerania
4.30192980 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
4.49944441 German_West_Mecklenburg
5.33168829 German_Farther_Pomerania
5.50095446 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
5.93100329 German_Saxony
6.30142841 German_North_Bohemia
7.15111180 German
8.21196688 Austrian
8.95963169 German_County_Glatz
8.99971111 German_Central_Hesse
9.00887340 German_West_Prussia
10.49606117 German_Schleswig-Holstein
10.54063091 German_Hamburg
10.78325554 Austrian_Carinthia
10.80719668 German_Lower_Saxony_north
10.92746997 German_Lower_Saxony_south
10.98214915 German_Lower_Franconia
11.20326738 German_Westphalia
11.75162542 Austrian_Upper_Austria
12.40273760 German_Bavaria_proper
12.91952011 German_North_Rhine
13.07255140 German_Upper_Swabia
13.58196598 German_North_Hesse
13.73664078 Upper_Silesia

Distance to: rothaer_child7
4.48001116 German_West_Mecklenburg
5.03791624 German_Farther_Pomerania
6.36616839 German_Hither_Pomerania
7.40716545 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
9.02577974 German_Saxony
9.29793525 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
9.88812925 German_West_Prussia
10.04434667 German_North_Bohemia
10.04861184 German_Hamburg
10.71086831 German
11.02805513 German_Lower_Saxony_north
11.20704243 German_Schleswig-Holstein
12.34735194 Austrian
12.64092164 German_Lower_Saxony_south
12.89487107 German_Westphalia
12.98726684 German_County_Glatz
13.05628201 German_Central_Hesse
13.20976533 Austrian_Carinthia
13.72945738 Upper_Silesia
13.79871371 German_East_Prussia_Masuria
14.89723800 German_Lower_Franconia
15.42720649 German_Frisian
15.76489772 Austrian_Upper_Austria
16.34288836 German_Bavaria_proper
16.58869193 German_North_Rhine

Distance to: rothaer_child8
4.72751520 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
5.60928694 German_Farther_Pomerania
5.90359213 German_West_Mecklenburg
6.07735962 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
6.32896516 German_Hither_Pomerania
6.38786349 German_Saxony
6.98406758 German_North_Bohemia
8.68292577 German
8.83026613 German_West_Prussia
9.11093848 Austrian
9.93182763 German_County_Glatz
9.97932863 Austrian_Carinthia
11.00087269 German_Central_Hesse
11.28257506 German_Hamburg
11.97380892 German_Schleswig-Holstein
12.24686082 German_Lower_Franconia
12.39578557 German_Lower_Saxony_north
12.64854932 German_Lower_Saxony_south
12.94699965 German_Westphalia
12.97134149 Upper_Silesia
13.43104985 German_Bavaria_proper
13.48906594 Austrian_Upper_Austria
13.80759211 German_East_Prussia_Masuria
14.18812179 German_Upper_Swabia
14.26900137 German_North_Hesse
01-02-2022, 10:38 AM
J. Ketch

Quote:

Originally Posted by rothaer

Thanks for these!

I checked them with the following results:

Nordfriesland kit is not in the data base (btw. Frisians are minorioty in North Frisland, so it would be expected to be an non-Frisian, even if indigenous).

SH1 is half from NRW according to the GEDCOM.
SH2 is good and even from Schleswig part only.
SH3 is good and can be said Schleswig-Holstein in general.

Hamburg1 has two parents from Hamburg, but the granbdparents are not visible from where they are, even if partly died in Hamburg.
Hamburg2 has no GEDCOM.

To keep the current confidence level of the data I'll use and add SH2 and SH3. :thumb001:

I appreciate the desire to be strict, with regards to the Nordfriesland one I'm quite certain it was from one of the small islands. I posted it earlier in the thread when it was still working.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creoda

Nordfriesland (from one of the islands IIRC)

K13

1 North_Atlantic 49.66
2 Baltic 27.9
3 West_Med 10.41
4 East_Med 3.86
5 West_Asian 3.62
6 Siberian 1.66
7 South_Asian 1.43
8 Red_Sea 0.74
9 Amerindian 0.58
10 Sub-Saharan 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Danish 2.71
2 North_Dutch 3.18
3 Norwegian 3.28
4 North_German 4.11
5 Swedish 4.35
6 Orcadian 4.41
7 Irish 5.75
8 Southeast_English 5.76
9 West_Scottish 6.04
10 Southwest_English 7.38
11 South_Dutch 9.08
12 North_Swedish 9.61
13 West_German 9.86
14 East_German 12.42
15 Austrian 12.68
16 French 15.09
17 Hungarian 16.76
18 Southwest_Finnish 17.67
19 South_Polish 20.97
20 Croatian 22.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.5% Southeast_English + 36.5% North_Swedish @ 2
2 70.5% Orcadian + 29.5% North_Swedish @ 2.01
3 84.2% Danish + 15.8% North_Swedish @ 2.07
4 91% Danish + 9% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.08
5 81.9% Orcadian + 18.1% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.13
6 94.2% Danish + 5.8% East_Finnish @ 2.16
7 93.6% Danish + 6.4% Finnish @ 2.19
8 86% Orcadian + 14% Finnish @ 2.23
9 58.8% Swedish + 41.2% Southeast_English @ 2.27
10 94.5% Danish + 5.5% Estonian @ 2.28
11 75.8% West_Scottish + 24.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.3
12 87.8% Orcadian + 12.2% East_Finnish @ 2.32
13 96.9% Danish + 3.1% Mari @ 2.32
14 81.1% North_Dutch + 18.9% North_Swedish @ 2.32
15 89% North_Dutch + 11% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.33
16 98.2% Danish + 1.8% Selkup @ 2.34
17 98.2% Danish + 1.8% Ket @ 2.36
18 73.3% Danish + 26.7% Swedish @ 2.37
19 62.6% West_Scottish + 37.4% North_Swedish @ 2.37
20 92.8% North_Dutch + 7.2% East_Finnish @ 2.38

K15

1 North_Sea 37.41
2 Atlantic 26.06
3 Baltic 13.73
4 Eastern_Euro 10.49
5 West_Med 6.99
6 West_Asian 2.13
7 South_Asian 1.08
8 Siberian 0.99
9 Red_Sea 0.58
10 Amerindian 0.36
11 East_Med 0.12
12 Sub-Saharan 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 2.87
2 Norwegian 3.35
3 Danish 3.43
4 Swedish 4.32
5 West_Norwegian 4.97
6 West_Scottish 5.22
7 North_German 5.31
8 Irish 5.35
9 Southeast_English 6.07
10 Orcadian 6.1
11 Southwest_English 6.76
12 North_Swedish 7.1
13 West_German 9.1
14 South_Dutch 9.3
15 East_German 11.86
16 Southwest_Finnish 12.55
17 French 14.05
18 Finnish 15.62
19 Hungarian 16.42
20 Austrian 16.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.5% Orcadian + 21.5% Estonian @ 1.59
2 75.9% North_Dutch + 24.1% North_Swedish @ 1.86
3 88.9% Swedish + 11.1% French_Basque @ 1.91
4 91.8% Norwegian + 8.2% French_Basque @ 1.93
5 82.9% Orcadian + 17.1% Lithuanian @ 1.94
6 88.1% North_Dutch + 11.9% Finnish @ 1.95
7 56.4% Swedish + 43.6% Irish @ 1.96
8 64.6% Norwegian + 35.4% Irish @ 1.96
9 85.6% North_Dutch + 14.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.97
10 57.8% Irish + 42.2% North_Swedish @ 1.99
11 91% North_Dutch + 9% East_Finnish @ 2.02
12 60% Swedish + 40% Southeast_English @ 2.02
13 55.8% Swedish + 44.2% West_Scottish @ 2.03
14 62.9% Swedish + 37.1% Southwest_English @ 2.06
15 91.6% North_Dutch + 8.4% Estonian @ 2.07
16 57.4% North_Dutch + 42.6% Norwegian @ 2.13
17 65.4% Norwegian + 34.6% North_German @ 2.16
18 68.4% Orcadian + 31.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.17
19 58.7% West_Scottish + 41.3% North_Swedish @ 2.18
20 66.9% North_Dutch + 33.1% Swedish @ 2.2
01-02-2022, 10:40 AM
Peterski

Quote:

Originally Posted by rothaer

Hinterpommern references are from Regenwalde area and from Lauenburg/Stolp area

Let me guess, they form 2 distinct clusters, with only Lauenburg/Stolp being very Slavic.

I have Hinterpommern samples from here (the markers show birthplaces of ancestors):

https://i.imgur.com/obXsRwl.png

And another one from here (Person #2) - and both of them are rather Germanic-shifted:

https://i.imgur.com/ucmhrEr.png

^^^
Person #2 - K13 results:

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.69
2 Baltic 36.35
3 West_Med 11.11
4 West_Asian 7.11
5 South_Asian 2
6 East_Med 1.93
7 Sub-Saharan 1.35
8 Red_Sea 0.33
9 Northeast_African 0.07
10 Oceanian 0.07

I cannot check Person #1 results now because of GEDmatch error:

AJAX error: Internal Server ErrorText Status: error Response Text: An internal server error occurred. Please try again later.
01-02-2022, 11:34 AM
rothaer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creoda

I appreciate the desire to be strict, with regards to the Nordfriesland one I'm quite certain it was from one of the small islands. I posted it earlier in the thread when it was still working.

Maybe it has to be said that Friesland does not automatically mean Frisians. Ethnic Frisians live in Frisland in the Netherlands, also called West Frisia, and in North Frisland, which is in NW Schleswig-Holstein. But Frisians are there just a minority, also in the Islands. So if you have an indigenous individual from an island in North Frisia, the probabillity that it is a non_Frisian is high. They might be Saxons or other Germans or one or another also a Dane. The individual could be used for Schleswig-Holstein if the pedigree supports it farther back.

Btw. there is also Ostfriesland (East Frisland) in Lower Saxony that is bordering the Frisland in the Netherlands. But these "Ostfriesen" and their language (ostfriesisch) are actually not Frisian. They are Germanised and the ancestry proportion of Frisians is not known to me.
01-02-2022, 11:47 AM
Peterski

Quote:

Originally Posted by rothaer

Maybe it has to be said that Friesland does not automatically mean Frisians. Ethnic Frisians live in Frisland in the Netherlands, also called West Frisia, and in North Frisland, which is in NW Schleswig-Holstein. But Frisians are there just a minority, also in the Islands. So if you have an indigenous individual from an Island in North Frisia, the probabillity that it is a non_Frisian is high. They might be Saxons or other Germans or one or another also a Dane. The individual could be used for Schleswig-Holstein if the pedigree supports it farther back.
Btw. there is also Ostfriesland (East Frisland) in Lower Saxony that is bordering the Frisland in Netherlands. But these "Ostfriesen" and their language (ostfriesisch) are actually not Frisian. They are Germanised and the ancestry proportion of Frisians is not known to me.

This is why we have a function called "email", and we can email people from GEDmatch and ask them questions.

I emailed T381963 (long ago) and I got a response that T381963 is only half Frisian, but T802916 is fully Frisian:

https://i.imgur.com/7z7cIVH.png

But I did not save Eurogenes K13 for this kit, and now I can't check because GEDmatch is not working currently.
01-02-2022, 11:54 AM
rothaer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomenable

(...)
Person #2 - K13 results:

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.69
2 Baltic 36.35
3 West_Med 11.11
4 West_Asian 7.11
5 South_Asian 2
6 East_Med 1.93
7 Sub-Saharan 1.35
8 Red_Sea 0.33
9 Northeast_African 0.07
10 Oceanian 0.07

I cannot check Person #1 results now because of GEDmatch error:

AJAX error: Internal Server ErrorText Status: error Response Text: An internal server error occurred. Please try again later.

You got the requested West Prussian kits with information and kit numbers from me within 5 minutes. Your behaviour sinces days regarding the references is incredible. Do you think I'm a trained dog that is willing to jump after sticks that you throw? I'll not take part in this theater. Keep your important secrets for yourself and have a nice day.
01-02-2022, 11:55 AM
Jana

@Peterski^^^^you don't need to explain who is fully Frisian, we have that kit already.

Your total lack of fair play, unwillingness to share data you have for whole community (except for fat counter favors), your intentional releasing of promised samples immediately AFTER we release the averages (and knowing it will be unnecessary hard to upgrade samples now) shows your intentions which are everything but fair.

Not to mention you got kit numbers from rothaer days ago but did not share what you have at all. And you don't need to. You lied to do what you did not, and do not pretend to be benevolent.

You won't be begged for samples especially considering rothaer gave many of them to you years ago, we'll get them anyway. And don't expect any more samples and information coming your way, because it won't.
01-02-2022, 11:59 AM
rothaer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomenable

This is why we have a function called "email", and we can email people from GEDmatch and ask them questions.

I emailed T381963 (long ago) and I got a response that T381963 is only half Frisian, but T802916 is fully Frisian:

This is exactly why I don't use samples (f. i. T381963) that I can not judge.

And the kit # T802916 is what we have for Frisian already, as the results unveil to you.
01-02-2022, 12:15 PM
Peterski

"You won't be begged for samples especially considering rothaer gave many of them to you years ago"

First I gave him all of German data that I had at that time. It seems you like to have selective memory.

And this fully North Frisian sample's results I showed to Rothaer already in my email from 29 Apr 2020.

"unwillingness to share data you have"

I don't collect K13 data. And GEDmatch K13 stopped working after Christmas, and still doesn't work.
01-02-2022, 12:21 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomenable

"You won't be begged for samples especially considering rothaer gave many of them to you years ago"

First I gave him all of German data that I had at that time. It seems you like to have selective memory.

And this fully North Frisian sample's results I showed to Rothaer already in my email from 29 Apr 2020.

"unwillingness to share data you have"

I don't collect K13 data.

Don't play innocent, please. We are also not collecting only K13, this was just a start. Future goals include making of averages for other calculators, especially K36 and some others.
That's why kit numbers are inherently more valuable to share than naked K13 data.

People posting here know what you are like anyway. I conclude this topic now though.
01-02-2022, 12:23 PM
Peterski

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Not to mention you got kit numbers from rothaer days ago but did not share what you have at all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

That's why kit numbers are inherently more valuable to share than naked K13 data.

You actually did not want to exchange kit numbers, here is your rep comment:

https://i.imgur.com/EdWpLtm.png

I got kit numbers from Rothaer because he asked me to check how they compare to my K36 averages.

And Rothaer did not know about your mean and unpleasant reputation comment.

Me and Rothaer always (since year 2017) exchange also kit numbers, there is no problem with that...
01-02-2022, 12:30 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomenable

You actually did not want to exchange kit numbers, here is your rep comment:

https://i.imgur.com/EdWpLtm.png

I got kit numbers from Rothaer because he asked me to check how they compare to my K36 averages.

And Rothaer did not know about your mean and unpleasant reputation comment.

Me and Rothaer always exchange also kit numbers, there is no problem with that.

Yes, I don't have kit numbers but if I had I would not share them with you. Because it was not given to me and I am not authorized to share private information like that. Rothaer has the kit numbers, I deal with admixture values. And he shared with you west Prussian kit numbers, after which your DID NOT do the same, but you released just K13 values (of long promised samples) intentionally 10 minutes after averages were out.

I know you well, and I would not share anything with you even if I could, because I consider you to be in mala fides (bad faith). Plenty of past and present evidence to hold such views.
01-02-2022, 12:33 PM
Peterski

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

And he shared with you west Prussian kit numbers, after which your DID NOT do the same, but you released just K13 values

To be honest, for Brieg Germans and Braunsberg German I have also raw data files, not only kit numbers.

And I checked their K13 values offline, from raw data files. GEDmatch does not work properly recently.

You keep bashing me that I did not check K13 values on 27-28 December when GEDmatch still worked, but I was busy with other things.
01-02-2022, 12:36 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomenable

To be honest, for Brieg Germans and Braunsberg German I have also raw data files, not only kit numbers.

And I checked their K13 values offline, from raw data files. GEDmatch does not work properly recently.

You keep bashing me that I did not check K13 values on 27-28 December when GEDmatch still worked, but I was busy with other things.

Interesting how you were not busy anymore on new year day 10 minutes after samples were out, and than magically you decide to share K13 values of these few samples. Interesting timing, as always.
01-02-2022, 12:45 PM
Jana

Dec 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomenable

Who is collecting them?

BTW, German user Simon_W from AG has a grandmother with 4/4 grandparents from East Prussia (precisely - Kreis Braunsberg / Braniewo County), and she scores similar as Rothaer's wife (who is from Schwerin area - Western Mecklenburg). Around 2/3 proto Germanic + 1/3 Balto-Slavic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Rothaer and me.

Post her K13 please. I don't think we have her.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomenable

Her, it is grandmother of Simon_W.

I will post it later today (afternoon).

Than rothaer sent him several west Prussian kits he asked for, immediately and with kit numbers.

Dec 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomenable

From which counties / Kreise of West Prussia and Upper Silesia?

Okay, I will post.

Now I'm on my phone, I will be back home later today.

two days after, Dec 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Where are your promised samples? Not the first time you don't keep your word.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomenable

GEDmatch stopped working, when I try to check kits in calculators, I get:

"AJAX error: Internal Server ErrorText Status: error Response Text: An internal server error occurred. Please try again later."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

You promised to post two days ago, and gedmatch worked perfectly than.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rothaer

Why don't you just tell Stearsolina the GEDmatch number(s)?

You got the 4 new ones from me gladly, immediately and without any begging.

Of course he did not share any data on Dec 28, Dec 29, Dec 30 and Dec 31 either. No, he shared it yesterday (without kit numbers), minutes after we released German averages.

No more dealing with him. Amen.
01-02-2022, 12:45 PM
Peterski

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Interesting timing

^^^ If you like conspiracy theories...
01-02-2022, 12:48 PM
Peterski

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

No more dealing with him. Amen.

You have been mean to me at least since 2019 or 2018, so don't pretend that now we have a conflict because of kit numbers, LOL.
01-02-2022, 12:52 PM
Peterski

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Of course he did not share any data on Dec 28, Dec 29, Dec 30 and Dec 31 either. No, he shared it yesterday (without kit numbers)

No, I shared (via Gmail) the Braunsberg German kit with Rothaer exactly on Wednesday, 31 July 2019, 21:03 (Polish time). :)

I will bump it now so he can see in his gmail Inbox.
01-02-2022, 12:54 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomenable

You have been mean to me at least since 2019 or 2018, so don't pretend that now we have a conflict because of kit numbers, LOL.

Because of your anti-Croatian views, but in general you behaved badly towards whole genetic community on TA because of your personal conflict with Lucas.
Which is why you didn't share data to improve Vahaduo, and you didn't even make Polish regional averages but foreigners like vbnethkio had to collect Polish data and all.

You put your personal animosity in front of community interest, and you generally behave in bad faith (like towards Teutone).
01-02-2022, 12:59 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

It is done. Big thanks to rothaer! :D K13 New Year gift.

Code:

German_Saxony,37.14,34.35,13.58,5.86,5.61,0.87,1.08,0.06,0.25,0.58,0.30,0.14,0.17 German_Upper_Swabia,41.54,22.90,15.28,6.77,10.64,0.68,0.72,0.27,0.41,0.34,0.39,0.00,0.05 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south,41.19,31.63,11.12,5.16,7.34,1.02,0.62,0.25,0.28,0.56,0.50,0.20,0.12 German_West_Mecklenburg,45.13,33.44,9.22,6.21,3.28,0.16,0.49,0.62,0.34,0.34,0.33,0.43,0.00 German_North_Hesse,43.69,22.35,14.83,4.48,10.49,1.78,0,0.69,0,0.86,0.22,0,0.6 German_Central_Hesse,41.92,26.21,14.96,8.9,5.73,0.87,0,0.9,0,0,0.45,0.05,0 German_South_Hesse,41.78,21.94,17.52,5.66,8.80,1.50,0.66,0.33,0.41,0.56,0.46,0.11,0.27 German_Lower_Franconia,41.02,24.79,15.76,6.57,8.84,0.72,0.67,0.15,0.00,0.82,0.04,0.53,0.08 German_North_Bohemia,38.27,31.61,13.93,5.63,7.42,0.38,0.90,0.53,0.10,0.41,0.50,0.00,0.31 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony,39.15,31.43,12.59,6.21,7.42,1.47,0.00,0.03,0.15,0.02,0.00,1.12,0.39 German_Saarland,43.97,19.91,19.32,7.13,6.82,0.88,1.54,0.00,0.00,0.19,0.00,0.26,0.00 German_Bavaria_proper,40.02,23.94,15.40,7.03,10.46,1.26,0.35,0.29,0.25,0.58,0.36,0.04,0.00 German_Bavarian_Swabia,34.71,26.3,19.15,7.19,11.37,0,0,0,0,0.37,0.4,0,0.46 German_North_Rhine,43.32,22.19,15.70,7.63,8.21,0.71,0.91,0.15,0.26,0.14,0.38,0.26,0.15 German_North_Baden,41.05,22.09,17.19,6.37,10.17,0.35,0.68,0.38,0.58,0.17,0.53,0.28,0.16 German_East_Prussia_Memelland,29.91,52.02,10.63,3.88,0,0,1.83,0,0.81,0.58,0,0,0.34 German_East_Prussia_Masuria,33.26,44.37,9.00,4.57,3.12,0.15,2.31,0.47,0.75,0.74,0.61,0.00,0.68 German_Hither_Pomerania,44.4,31.31,9.62,7.56,4.12,0.7,0.43,0.31,0.88,0.2,0,0.48,0 German_Farther_Pomerania,39.85,37.28,9.79,5.50,2.77,1.10,1.82,0.00,0.07,0.45,0.35,1.02,0.04 Upper_Silesia,33.01,43.21,9.27,6.4,5.21,0.26,0.67,0,1.04,0.31,0.58,0,0.06 German_County_Glatz,35.77,31.04,14.63,8.13,7.64,0.3,0,1.02,0,0.72,0,0.72,0 Austrian_Upper_Austria,41.93,23.93,16.96,8.73,6.52,1.43,0,0.22,0,0,0.16,0.1,0 German_Lower_Saxony_north,50.86,28.10,10.10,5.94,2.03,0.00,1.50,0.78,0.00,0.18,0.48,0.03,0.00 German_Lower_Saxony_south,48.89,25.02,11.37,6.26,4.56,0.58,1.97,0.00,0.24,0.31,0.05,0.16,0.58 German_Westphalia,49.31,25.15,11.25,7.18,3.97,0.69,0.72,0.18,0.07,0.79,0.10,0.10,0.50 German_West_Prussia,35.60,39.30,11.20,6.60,4.18,0.25,0.89,0.00,0.68,0.34,0.47,0.00,0.48 German_Rhineland-Palatinate,42.42,21.25,16.46,7.21,8.90,1.51,0.02,0.20,1.11,0.20,0.23,0.33,0.16 Austrian_Lower_Austria,35.32,24.04,19.78,9.1,9.12,0.4,1.02,0,0,0.32,0.89,0,0 German_Hamburg,50.83,28.92,8.41,3.93,4.04,1.33,1.32,0,0.62,0.15,0,0.45,0 German_Frisian,55.45,25.92,9.33,2.93,1.79,1.02,2.22,0,0.33,0,1,0,0 German_Schleswig-Holstein,49.59,28.21,13.33,5.42,0,1.79,0,1.19,0,0,0,0,0.47 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow),26.92,44.46,14.49,5.95,6.25,0,0,0.72,0,0.17,0.74,0,0.3 Austrian_Carinthia,34.35,34.42,13.15,3.82,10.84,1.04,1.43,0,0.39,0,0.11,0.1,0

Interesting collection I will add to K13 later. But I'm not sure such granularity is needed we have here rather bigger regions only.
01-02-2022, 12:59 PM
Peterski

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Because of your anti-Croatian views, but in general you behaved badly towards whole genetic community on TA because of your personal conflict with Lucas.
Which is why you didn't share data to improve Vahaduo, and you didn't even make Polish regional averages but foreigners like vbnethkio had to collect Polish data and all.

You put your personal animosity in front of community interest, and you generally behave in bad faith (like towards Teutone).

LMAO, Lucas himself did not share any data to improve Vahaduo. He relies fully on data from other users.

Sure, I did not want to be a slave working for Lucas for no money, collecting data for him. But I still did contribute modestly to it (some averages are from me).

But remember that Lucas used the data all of you collected for him in yourDNAportal and DNAGenics.

So while it is true that Vahaduo is free-of-charge, he also used this data also in paid services.

And now he deleted all of your Global25 custom calculators, he wasted so much of your time, LOL.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Because of your anti-Croatian views

Not sure what do you mean - I don't have anti-Croatian views.
01-02-2022, 01:01 PM
Jana

another fair play move from Peterska, posted on Dec 29 (wasn't gedmatch not working than?? hahaha - that's what he claimed as excuse for not posting what he promised)

https://i.imgur.com/n3SUPQF.png

Of course he posted K15, but not K13, knowing we can't use K15 and need K13 values. And of course he did not share what he promised on Dec 27 that day either, when he posted this sample "by accident"

He wants to be needed and depended on, and to be begged for mercy to share data he has, just bits and pieces of it, when and if he feels like it.

No more. You got exposed. Bye!
01-02-2022, 01:05 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

Interesting collection I will add to K13 later. But I'm not sure such granularity is needed we have here rather bigger regions only.

I think it's very good because there are large genetic differences inside these bigger regions, like among "East Germans" for example. And let's not forget Germany is most populous fully European country, with extremely long history of decentralization and many small, unique entities which reflects in genetics.
01-02-2022, 01:07 PM
Peterski

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

another fair play move from Peterska, posted on Dec 29 (wasn't gedmatch not working than??

It wasn't working - I copied those results from my email to Rothaer dated Sat, 23 May 2020, 01:23.

K13 results were not included in that email.

It is probably the same kit that you are currently using as Memelland referencce, or maybe another.
01-02-2022, 01:07 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomenable

It wasn't working - I copied those results from my email to Rothaer dated Sat, 23 May 2020, 01:23.

K13 results were not included in that email.

Ok.
01-02-2022, 01:11 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomenable

LMAO, Lucas himself did not share any data to improve Vahaduo. He relies fully on data from other users.

Sure, I did not want to be a slave working for Lucas for no money, collecting data for him. But I still did contribute modestly to it (some averages are from me).

But remember that Lucas used the data all of you collected for him in yourDNAportal and DNAGenics.

So while it is true that Vahaduo is free-of-charge, he also used this data on paid websites.

And now he deleted all of your Global25 custom calculators, he wasted so much of your time, LOL.

Not sure what do you mean - I don't have anti-Croatian views.

I don't mind contributing for free, this is not my profession. As far as I heard, you had high paid job for one genetic company, so you were not in need for money, and it would be normal and expected (to me at last), to contribute for free in your spare time. Lucas always behaved correct towards other users, I don't mind him having paid services while at the same time he runs Vahaduo for free so we can chose what we need (free or paid).

I remember you posting harmful maps about my ethnicity claiming we are Catholic Serbs and expressing similar non friendly sentiments.
01-02-2022, 01:14 PM
J. Ketch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

Interesting collection I will add to K13 later. But I'm not sure such granularity is needed we have here rather bigger regions only.

Any chance of a separate sheet for smaller regions? I would like to add the smaller British Isles & Dutch regional averages I have, but I prefer to keep them separate from the more solid major regions they're part of.
01-02-2022, 03:28 PM
rothaer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

another fair play move from Peterska, posted on Dec 29 (wasn't gedmatch not working than?? hahaha - that's what he claimed as excuse for not posting what he promised)

https://i.imgur.com/n3SUPQF.png

Of course he posted K15, but not K13, knowing we can't use K15 and need K13 values. And of course he did not share what he promised on Dec 27 that day either, when he posted this sample "by accident"

He wants to be needed and depended on, and to be begged for mercy to share data he has, just bits and pieces of it, when and if he feels like it.

No more. You got exposed. Bye!

I can not even understand why at all is discussed if GEDmatch works. Peterska could just have sent the Kit numbers - like I did - and that's it.
01-02-2022, 04:10 PM
Leto

Berlin & Hamburg

North_Atlantic 33.86 Pct
Baltic 33.81 Pct
West_Med 15.45 Pct
West_Asian 4.07 Pct
East_Med 6.66 Pct
Red_Sea 0.94 Pct
South_Asian 2.15 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.71 Pct
Amerindian 1.41 Pct
Oceanian 0.95 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 4.3
2 Hungarian 5.67
3 Austrian 5.99
4 Croatian 7.59
5 South_Polish 9.26
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.15
7 Moldavian 10.2
8 Ukrainian 10.95
9 Polish 12.13
10 Serbian 12.45
11 North_Swedish 13.2
12 West_German 13.31
13 Southwest_Finnish 13.93
14 South_Dutch 14.12
15 North_German 14.18
16 Swedish 14.94
17 Southwest_Russian 15.51
18 Russian_Smolensk 15.52
19 Estonian_Polish 15.87
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.8% Polish + 32.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.01
2 65.9% Polish + 34.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.09
3 64.5% Russian_Smolensk + 35.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.11
4 53.3% Lithuanian + 46.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.13
5 70.1% Polish + 29.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.19
6 60% Russian_Smolensk + 40% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.19
7 55.4% Lithuanian + 44.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.21
8 59.4% Estonian_Polish + 40.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.27
9 57.2% Lithuanian + 42.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.27
10 68.1% Polish + 31.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.3
11 68.6% Polish + 31.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.31
12 62.1% Russian_Smolensk + 37.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.32
13 61.7% Russian_Smolensk + 38.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.33
14 55.8% Lithuanian + 44.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.35
15 69.4% Polish + 30.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.36
16 64% Estonian_Polish + 36% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.37
17 61.5% Ukrainian + 38.5% French @ 2.4
18 67.5% Polish + 32.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.42
19 56.3% Lithuanian + 43.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.43
20 73.4% South_Polish + 26.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.44
01-03-2022, 10:13 AM
mariusz99

My results without East and West Prussia and Basque, Spain and Portugese. This results show my basic Slavic part + northern German distant ancestry.

Target: MARIUSZ_KORICINSKI
Distance: 2.3664% / 2.36642494
52.2 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
20.5 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
13.9 German_Schleswig-Holstein
6.7 Estonian
3.0 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
1.7 Russian_Pskov
1.5 Chamar
0.5 Maya

Without Brandenburg 2 possibilities:

Target: MARIUSZ_KORICINSKI
Distance: 2.9309% / 2.93090455
45.8 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
30.6 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
13.0 Austrian_Lower_Austria
9.9 Polish_Silesia
0.5 Chamar
0.2 Maya

Target: MARIUSZ_KORICINSKI
Distance: 2.9735% / 2.97348440
30.9 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
30.7 Polish_Silesia
28.1 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
9.6 German_Saarland
0.4 Chamar
0.2 Maya
0.1 Ho

Good to see also Asian part. With this results no northern Germany. My friend Nicola claims I have some ancestry from Austria/Hungary and this results show it.
01-03-2022, 12:10 PM
Leto

I have Gedmatch of a guy whose mother is German (Volga) and father is an ethnic Russian. All three were tested (plus his Russian/Jewish wife). I can post if anyone's interested. He scores artificially similar to some of those Slav-blooded Eastern Germans.
01-03-2022, 12:31 PM
Luke35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

I have Gedmatch of a guy whose mother is German (Volga) and father is an ethnic Russian. All three were tested (plus his Russian/Jewish wife). I can post if anyone's interested. He scores artificially similar to some of those Slav-blooded Eastern Germans.

I'm always interested in German mixes. Bring it on, if you feel like posting it Leto. Thanks
01-03-2022, 02:40 PM
Leto

Volga German mother

North_Atlantic 44.96 Pct
Baltic 24.35 Pct
West_Med 14.09 Pct
West_Asian 4.91 Pct
East_Med 9.38 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.31 Pct
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African 0.25 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.41 Pct

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.39
2 South_Dutch 3.89
3 Southeast_English 6.29
4 North_German 6.99
5 Danish 7.96
6 North_Dutch 8.03
7 Orcadian 8.31
8 French 8.66
9 Southwest_English 8.82
10 Austrian 8.9
11 Irish 9.57
12 West_Scottish 9.98
13 Norwegian 10.08
14 East_German 10.17
15 Swedish 10.66
16 Hungarian 13.06
17 North_Swedish 14.58
18 Spanish_Cataluna 16
19 Portuguese 17.28
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.7% Southeast_English + 20.3% Bulgarian @ 2.2
2 74.5% Southeast_English + 25.5% Serbian @ 2.23
3 77.6% Southeast_English + 22.4% Romanian @ 2.26
4 72.7% Norwegian + 27.3% Tuscan @ 2.68
5 68.5% Norwegian + 31.5% North_Italian @ 2.79
6 83.7% West_German + 16.3% Norwegian @ 2.82
7 75.3% West_German + 24.7% Southeast_English @ 2.84
8 83.6% Southeast_English + 16.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.87
9 85.1% West_German + 14.9% Swedish @ 2.87
10 80.5% West_German + 19.5% Danish @ 2.87
11 80.8% West_German + 19.2% North_Dutch @ 2.89
12 89.6% West_German + 10.4% North_Swedish @ 2.95
13 83% West_German + 17% Orcadian @ 2.99
14 77.8% Danish + 22.2% Tuscan @ 3.01
15 74.1% Danish + 25.9% North_Italian @ 3.02
16 80.3% West_German + 19.7% North_German @ 3.02
17 69.7% Southeast_English + 30.3% Hungarian @ 3.03
18 76.9% Norwegian + 23.1% West_Sicilian @ 3.04
19 77.7% North_Dutch + 22.3% Tuscan @ 3.08
20 93.6% West_German + 6.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.08

Russian father

North_Atlantic 25.05 Pct
Baltic 47.92 Pct
West_Med 10.39 Pct
West_Asian 6.42 Pct
East_Med 3.24 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.15 Pct
East_Asian 0.68 Pct
Siberian 3.38 Pct
Amerindian 0.73 Pct
Oceanian 1.03 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Russian 3.79
2 Russian_Smolensk 4.54
3 Ukrainian_Belgorod 4.62
4 Estonian_Polish 4.64
5 Kargopol_Russian 5.05
6 Ukrainian 5.67
7 Belorussian 6.07
8 Polish 6.36
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.76
10 Erzya 7.02
11 Lithuanian 7.94
12 South_Polish 8.1
13 Estonian 9.01
14 East_Finnish 10.38
15 Finnish 10.98
16 Croatian 13.02
17 Southwest_Finnish 13.53
18 Moldavian 15.24
19 Hungarian 17.22
20 East_German 18.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.1% Ukrainian + 43.9% Erzya @ 2.19
2 52.9% Polish + 47.1% Erzya @ 2.49
3 53.9% Kargopol_Russian + 46.1% Ukrainian @ 2.66
4 62.4% Southwest_Russian + 37.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.83
5 54.1% Erzya + 45.9% South_Polish @ 2.83
6 51.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 48.8% Erzya @ 2.83
7 53.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.94
8 59.9% Kargopol_Russian + 40.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.02
9 54.4% Russian_Smolensk + 45.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.04
10 65.3% Russian_Smolensk + 34.7% Erzya @ 3.05
11 86.6% Russian_Smolensk + 13.4% Chuvash @ 3.13
12 95.3% Russian_Smolensk + 4.7% Selkup @ 3.18
13 89.6% Russian_Smolensk + 10.4% Mari @ 3.2
14 95.3% Russian_Smolensk + 4.7% Ket @ 3.2
15 76.2% Southwest_Russian + 23.8% Erzya @ 3.25
16 58.6% Kargopol_Russian + 41.4% Polish @ 3.25
17 85.2% Estonian_Polish + 14.8% Tatar @ 3.26
18 94.8% Russian_Smolensk + 5.2% Hakas @ 3.27
19 65.6% Estonian_Polish + 34.4% Erzya @ 3.31
20 94.6% Russian_Smolensk + 5.4% Shors @ 3.31

Russian-German son

North_Atlantic 35.28 Pct
Baltic 35.87 Pct
West_Med 13.88 Pct
West_Asian 3.28 Pct
East_Med 6.92 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.51 Pct
East_Asian 1.08 Pct
Siberian 1.5 Pct
Amerindian 0.99 Pct
Oceanian 0.59 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.11 Pct

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 5.1
2 Hungarian 6.65
3 Austrian 7.13
4 South_Polish 7.92
5 Croatian 8.62
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.73
7 Ukrainian 9.96
8 Polish 10.74
9 North_Swedish 11.23
10 Southwest_Finnish 11.41
11 Moldavian 11.7
12 Swedish 13.94
13 North_German 13.95
14 Russian_Smolensk 14.17
15 Serbian 14.17
16 West_German 14.26
17 Southwest_Russian 14.28
18 Estonian_Polish 14.38
19 Belorussian 14.45
20 South_Dutch 14.98

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.2% Estonian + 36.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.02
2 61.2% Estonian + 38.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.1
3 63.5% Estonian + 36.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.25
4 64.9% Estonian + 35.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.29
5 61.6% Estonian + 38.4% Portuguese @ 2.44
6 57.3% Lithuanian + 42.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.47
7 67.6% Belorussian + 32.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.58
8 63.4% Estonian + 36.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.59
9 63.5% Belorussian + 36.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.63
10 62.3% Estonian + 37.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.66
11 64.1% Estonian + 35.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.73
12 56.8% Estonian_Polish + 43.2% French @ 2.73
13 50.2% Lithuanian + 49.8% French @ 2.78
14 64.4% Ukrainian + 35.6% Southeast_English @ 2.8
15 59.6% Lithuanian + 40.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.81
16 59.4% Lithuanian + 40.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.83
17 56.7% Belorussian + 43.3% French @ 2.84
18 65.2% Belorussian + 34.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.9
19 60.7% Ukrainian + 39.3% South_Dutch @ 2.93
20 64.4% Belorussian + 35.6% Southwest_French @ 2.98

This family repatriated to Germany from Russia or Kazakhstan. If it weren't for the minor Mongoloid, he would be a fairly normal Eastern German. Though I must personally add I find his Russian father's results very solid and nice :D Probably R1a.

Dodecad K12b

Code:

Maria,7.06,0.57,0,0,35.44,41.77,0.9,0,3.23,0,10.93,0.09 Sergej,6.75,3.87,0.4,0,22.2,55.46,2,0,0,0.25,9.05,0 Alexander,6.16,2.38,0.24,0.26,29.53,48.14,0.42,0,2.15,0.88,9.84,0
01-03-2022, 04:20 PM
Luke35

^^^Just having a little fun, I wanted to see how my method for phasing a child (or parent) would work in this case. It usually works well when parents are of different ethnicities, and is less precise when parents are of the same ethnicity.

I made every component an average 50/50 between the parents.

First the actual son, second is the phased son.

--------------------------

Code:

Russian_German_son,35.28,35.87,13.88,3.28,6.92,0,0.51,1.08,1.5,0.99,0.59,0,0.11

Spoiler!

Distance to: Russian_German_son
4.12473029 Czech
4.26527842 German_Saxony
4.97165968 Austrian_Carinthia
5.94922684 Slovak
5.98382821 German_North_Bohemia
6.18780252 Slovenian
6.34028391 German_West_Prussia
6.72950221 Hungarian_North
7.13113595 Sorb
7.19219021 German_County_Glatz
7.29090529 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
7.43671971 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.59643337 Croat_North
7.99124521 Austrian
8.01459918 Hungarian
8.22781867 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
8.32369509 German_Farther_Pomerania
8.68015553 Hungarian_Alföld
8.96812689 Polish_South
9.23985389 Lemko_Poland
9.35235265 Polish_Lesser_Poland
9.57483681 Ukrainian_Galicia
9.74039527 Upper_Silesia
10.11167147 Polish_Greater_Poland
10.14474741 Polish_Silesia

Code:

Russian_German_son_theoretical,35.01,36.14,12.24,5.67,6.31,0,0.57,0.34,1.69,1.02,0.67,0.12,0.20

Spoiler!

Distance to: Russian_German_son_theoretical
2.53402841 Czech
3.68286573 German_Saxony
4.32584096 German_West_Prussia
5.00249938 Slovak
5.76078988 Austrian_Carinthia
6.01529717 Slovenian
6.04309523 Sorb
6.20349095 German_North_Bohemia
6.29832517 Hungarian_North
6.69271993 German_County_Glatz
6.95761453 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
6.99976428 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.07556358 German_Farther_Pomerania
7.21895422 Croat_North
7.59573565 Polish_South
7.68738577 Hungarian
7.86168557 Austrian
8.02497975 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
8.10620750 Upper_Silesia
8.33181853 Polish_Lesser_Poland
8.41102847 Hungarian_Alföld
8.47699239 Ukrainian_Galicia
8.75221115 Lemko_Poland
9.00347711 Polish_Greater_Poland
9.13070643 Polish_Silesia
01-04-2022, 09:16 AM
J. Ketch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watersater79

Yeah, it's interesting.... My dad (NOT German), seems to score slightly higher 'West Asian' than 'East Med'... Not sure what that entails...
I see that 'Baltic' admix is extremely high amongst North Germans.

Having higher West Asian than East Med is the norm for the British Isles and more Northern Germanic populations, it's only South/West of the Rhine that East Med starts to exceed West Asian, from Celtic and Roman influence. West Asian partly comes from Bell Beakers>Steppe, as Insular Celts get it slightly higher than English for example.
01-04-2022, 09:31 AM
J. Ketch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watersater79

Right, gotcha. No doubt, 'Baltic' is the lowest the furthest away from you unironically get from the Baltic region? The Iberian Peninsula?
Although, from this thread, there was that guy's admix from Rheinland-Pfatz, shown by JQP4545, who scores a slightly lower 'Baltic' amount than my dad. He does score higher 'East Med' than 'West Asian', though.

Within Europe, Sardinia, and places where Indo-Europeans had the least influence.

Code:

Sardinian,23.14,1.64,49.58,0.38,22.02,2.41,0,0.13,0.03,0,0.31,0.26,0.1

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