Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Okay, just wanted to see where you stand on the issue.

In my opinion, historical sources are usually right unless contradicted/shown to be false.

Here are some sources that say Serbia extended past the Drina River (backing the DAI here):

https://i.imgur.com/SU1LBrc.png

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What is contradictory here? Serbia like every country changed borders a lot. At one point of history it owned Zahumlje.
Origin of population is different story. Either Zahumljani were not Serbs, or they were Serbs ruled by a foreigner which I don't find likely in such tribal Slavic times.

Territories of both Serbia and Croatia had other Slavic tribes - Braničevci and Timočani in Serbia, Guduscani and Narentines in Croatia for example.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

DAI says Zahumljani were Serbs, but I don't think it's correct because their Prince mentions origins from tribe Litziki in Poland on Vistula river.
In my opinion Byzantine Emperor concluded they are Serbs because at time DAI was written this Sclavinia was under political control of Serbia.

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i think it's the opposite, it was a state ruled by Višević/Litzki tribe as the elite, not by Serbia, and the common people were Serbs

My dad should be 50% Neretljan, because his Island Hvar was part of their Sclavinia called Pagania, which was absorbed by Croatia quite early.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...oIX_hr.svg.png

His 25% Bosniak side looks to be be partly from Zahumlje, and partly from Turkish Croatia.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

i think it's the opposite, it was a state ruled by Višević/Litzki tribe as the elite, not by Serbia, and the common people were Serbs

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Nemanjić Serbia controlled Zahumlje and that's why DAI mentions people as Serbs in my opinion. Zahumlje is strongly ikavian today, it would be strange they are Serbs when other Serbs don't speak this dialect.

Paganija is čakavian mostly for example. And DAI mentions them as Serbs too. It doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Nemanjić Serbia controlled Zahumlje and that's why DAI mentions people as Serbs in my opinion. Zahumlje is strongly ikavian today, it would be strange they are Serbs when other Serbs don't speak this dialect.

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DAI was written before Nemanjić times, Zahumlje was ruled independently by Višević at the time

Dodecad k12b

Iran_Central_East,27.96,1.89,0.38,0.41,5.35,8.62,8 .65,0.55,12.57,0.81,33.71,0.24
Turkmen_Iran,24.24,7.38,0.60,1.82,4.86,11.74,5.99, 0.06,7.48,7.61,28.14,0.08

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Paganija is čakavian mostly for example. And DAI mentions them as Serbs too. It doesn't make sense.

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all Zachlumian towns mentioned in DAI, except Mokroskik(Široki Brijeg), are on the east side of Neretva, where ijekavian is spoken. maps don't put much effort into this.

anyway these modern dialects are a later development. in my opinion the Serbs used to have hundreds of small local dialects like the Slovenians do today. and Štokavian was originally a small Vlach dialect from west Montenegro which replaced all others by migrations.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Yes there is, available on G25 and cited in recent Roman study. It is North Italian like. Sample you speak about had laughable low number of snps are thus funny results.

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No, it there is no illyrian in roman study, i remember well when they added that north_italian like sample to g25 and it was the same old j2b2 bronze age one, renamed under iron_Age, check for yourself, i repeat: there is no illyrian sample as of now in existence.Also, yes that russian plotting one was indeed Iron Age and a female.
I also mention that its irrelevant either way( because you are changing the subject), as modern population cannot be modeled using 2 ancient pure ones, as a matter of fact its enough to check the ydnas/mtdna charts to see how delusional you are.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

No, Dušan isn't closest to it and Ford is closer to Croats than to Serbs. It will be removed, I already messaged Lucas.
He had no problem to remove academic Serb samples which contain much more people than your pathetic average.

Fuck off from South Slavic genetics orthodox Mongrel, it's none of your business.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Ofcourse Serbia doesn't come from Croatia, it has nothing to do with it.
My father plot like typical Croat everywhere, and he has nothing to do with Serbs neither he can pass for one.

I just told him about this and he laughed. He told me how is he close to them when they look like Vlachs and nothing like Croats.
I said dad, only to Bosnian Serbs.

He said ofcourse, they are orthodox Croats forced to eastern religion during Ottoman occupation of Catholic Bosnia.

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Yet I look like a Dinaric Taliban straight outta Montenigga xD