Recently I found that some of them had the same R1a-L260 like me (data from Bosnjački DNK Projekat). This guy surname is Ibrahimovic.
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Recently I found that some of them had the same R1a-L260 like me (data from Bosnjački DNK Projekat). This guy surname is Ibrahimovic.
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Oh, I hoped that you would have them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
They have the same haplogroups i.e. I2a1 and R1a like all South Slavs, probably a bit more E1b than ordinary South Slavs.
They are South Slavs, mostly Bulgarians who heavily mixed with Albanians.
there were some Torbeshi posted here. they were like pure Albanians pretty muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
I have seen y dna of 5 Gorani - 2 I2a-North, 1 R1a, 1 I2-M223 and 1 J2b2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Linguistically Gorani are most related (almost identical) with Serbs from Sredačka and Sirinićka župa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sredačka_župa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirinićka_župa
Unfortunately. Only absent part is they.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
Some are between Bulgarians and Albanians, some are closer to Albanians, even Greeks. Goranis should have a different composition.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
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Originally Posted by Pribislav
I don't have an explanation for the language but there is a cultural link between Goranis and Pomaks. Traditions, costume, etc.
That's all within Albanian range. Gheg Albanians usually get Bulgarian or Greek_Thessaly as their closest match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
look at Kosovo Albanians and Torbeshi on this PCA
https://i.imgur.com/sacCUm5.png
Ghegs predominantly get Tuscan and Greek Thessaly where there is no Albanian reference. From what I have seen in our project anyways. We get Bulgarian too and Romanian. But they're usually third and 4th if not 5th and 6th in nearest runs. I would show mine as example but I took my Gedmatch down when they started using DNA results for investigations.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
As Albanian you heard about any Gorani autosomal results?Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnusDark
They have Albanian Autosomal results. They are like 80% Greek 20% Ukrainian modeledQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
Sure? This was Torbesh modeling. I was thinking Gorani results will be identical with Bulgarians - SerbsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Again depending on individual. They have an easy way to intermarry with Albanians, especially now when Kosovo is practically 100% Albania.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Albanians i have met was hating Goranis :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Yes that is true, cause Gorani's are between 2 fires, Serbian and Albanian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
They used to be more Pro-Serbian, but after 90's war they shift more towards Albanians.
Because of those Pro-Serbian ones Albanians hate them (Albanian hate of Serbs is old as Egypt)
It's very sad how those people are teared apart by both Serbian and Albanian agenda.
Uncomfortable situation really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
I've never heard of any being pro-Albanian. They're the only muslims in the Balkans that have been on friendly terms with Serbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
Gora region - homeland of Gorani.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbOY2MTr12M
Albanians don't hate then. They just don't trust them. They're typically pro Serbian or both anti Albanian and anti Serbian. ironically they're Male custom dress is straight Albanian down to the hat. Genetically though I don't think theh will show Albanian like genetics. Probably Bulgarian and Serbian affinities.
this one could be a Goranac based on his surname.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
Code:Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 22.61
2 West_Med 22.56
3 East_Med 21.24
4 Baltic 17.54
5 West_Asian 12.29
6 Red_Sea 2.29
7 East_Asian 0.62
8 Amerindian 0.54
9 Siberian 0.26
10 Oceanian 0.04
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.49
2 Bulgarian 7.27
3 Romanian 8.58
4 Tuscan 9.13
5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.32
6 North_Italian 10.92
7 Central_Greek 11.31
8 West_Sicilian 11.45
9 Serbian 12.54
10 East_Sicilian 12.68
11 South_Italian 15.09
12 Ashkenazi 15.66
13 Portuguese 18.54
14 Moldavian 18.56
15 Spanish_Extremadura 18.88
16 Spanish_Galicia 19.38
17 Spanish_Andalucia 20.01
18 Spanish_Murcia 20.15
19 Spanish_Cataluna 20.23
20 Spanish_Valencia 20.33
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.5% Bulgarian + 43.5% Tuscan @ 3.01
2 83.9% Greek_Thessaly + 16.1% Southwest_French @ 3.17
3 89.1% Greek_Thessaly + 10.9% French_Basque @ 3.38
4 88% Greek_Thessaly + 12% Southwest_English @ 3.41
5 84.9% Greek_Thessaly + 15.1% South_Dutch @ 3.43
6 84% Greek_Thessaly + 16% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.45
7 82.8% Greek_Thessaly + 17.2% French @ 3.45
8 88.6% Greek_Thessaly + 11.4% Irish @ 3.52
9 68.8% Central_Greek + 31.2% East_German @ 3.52
10 84.3% Greek_Thessaly + 15.7% West_German @ 3.52
11 83.3% Bulgarian + 16.7% Sardinian @ 3.52
12 58.2% Romanian + 41.8% West_Sicilian @ 3.53
13 88.4% Greek_Thessaly + 11.6% Orcadian @ 3.54
14 82.6% Greek_Thessaly + 17.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.54
15 87.8% Greek_Thessaly + 12.2% Southeast_English @ 3.56
16 88.9% Greek_Thessaly + 11.1% West_Scottish @ 3.57
17 63.2% Bulgarian + 36.8% West_Sicilian @ 3.57
18 83.9% Greek_Thessaly + 16.1% Austrian @ 3.64
19 88.6% Greek_Thessaly + 11.4% North_Dutch @ 3.65
20 89.2% Greek_Thessaly + 10.8% Norwegian @ 3.67
Look more like Albanian result. This result is to southern shifted. I don't think so that Gorani are close to Thessalians.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Gorani have albanized surnames. You can't be sure who is Albanian, Ashkali or Goran only according to surnames.
his surname is spelled in Serbian, (prefix Hadzi-), it exists only in Serbia with that spellingQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Maybe the man is an Albanian or a 'Bosniak' from Sandžak or Montenegro. Have you tried contacting him?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
if he was Albanian, it would be "Haxhi". i think Mingle conctacted him ,but he hasn't answered yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
As far as I know we don't. I have only seen Torbesh that basically come out as Bulgarian admixed Albanians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
Don't listen to Bosniensis. He speaks out of his ass. As far as I know we have no results of Gorani in our project, and certainly I have not seen any.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
I doubt they would have a significant shift to Albanians. Gorani typically keep to themselves. They also typically dislike both Albanians and Serbs. I am sure some mixed, but this phenomenon is more typical of Torbesh/Pomak in Albania.
Some Albanians have Serbian spelled surnames in Montenegro. I know a few that do. So this doesn't necessarily mean he is not Albanian. If he is from Kosova, then could be Gorani, as Albanians in Kosova wouldn't spell it the Serbian way.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
What can you say about Pomaks in Albania? Besides genetic results, how they live?Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnusDark
Do you think is it possible to catch a DNA result among them? :P
In actuallity many(or what's left) Pomak in Albania were absorbed into the Torbesh community. Pomak Muslims typically became a part of the Torbesh muslims. They mostly claim Albanian identity. Some times Turkish. The orthodox Christian Slavs of the region still refer to themselves as simply Bulgarian. Even though most are from Macedonia. Many left with the passport proposition from Bulgaria. However the Muslim ones stayed more often than not. They have similar customs with Gorani. Like the one with the geisha looking bride that's jeweled up lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
I think we technically already do. Though like I mentioned it's complicated since most are counted as Torbesh and identify as Albanian. The ones from mixed bulgarian and albanian villages have typical ydna shared with other Bulgarians and Albanians. Of course no autosomal on them. Usually from Stebleva and Trebisht. They have become like Albanian montenegrins in a sense. Cross assimilation happened on the easternmost borders.
I can ask in the project if anyone has any results.
My family is in the westernmost region bordering the bilingual regions. Okshtun/Martanesh. Sadly some Albanians are even being assimilated due to the local schools being minority schools as Hoxha did little to build Albanian schools in the area. So they go to the minority slavic schools in the region and now some young gen Albanian kids speak Bulgarian. I would say from identity perspective ots very fluid like that of the Vlachs who usually identity and support the nation they are raised under.
Very interesting. I used to think Hoxha besides being communist was also nationalist. But Greek schools in the south of Albania existed during his reign?Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnusDark