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Just a dumb little exercise- where do you plot vs ancestry? Are you an outlier at all (if primarily descended from mainly or totally from one ethnic group) or if more mixed, does your plotting make logical sense? As a primarily NW/NE Euro Amerimutt with primarily German, Irish, Danish and Polish descent (and 1/32 AJ as well) I plot basically somewhere between East Germans-Austrians-Czechs which is not so surprising.
On PCA I plot closer to Danes and Norwegians, with English right behind. I’m English by ancestry, mostly from SE England (Kent, Sussex, Norfolk), so it makes sense given that there's a higher Germanic/North Sea input within those regions. It seems to make sense overall.
Attachment 145624
Me and my parents. Just my father is fully representative of his origin, but to be fair we have no real "Álava" samples, just "Basque speakers from Álava"taken from a single 2500 people Basque speakers valley that is just a 2% of the native population of this province. The real Álava province average would probably be more similar to Burgos North or Western Biscay people. Anyway here I used just Basque Spanish samples, not Basque Araba references.
https://i.imgur.com/FvMusRM.png
References:
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Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.3521% / 0.01352060
59.6 Spanish_Andalucia
40.4 Basque_Spanish
Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.5513% / 0.01551327
80.0 Spanish_Andalucia
20.0 Basque_Spanish
Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.3259% / 0.01325896
71.8 Basque_Spanish
28.2 Spanish_Andalucia
Distance list:
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Just averages distance lists:
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I think that the results, if interpreted correctly, represent reality in an acceptable way .
Where is that particular PCA from? I have used the vahaduo one and it’s not very good for visibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier727
I simply plot with Turkish maybe a bit leaning to Azerbaijan.
Attachment 145628
Your father is the reference point of Andalusia.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Its the Global G25 NW EuropeQuote:
Originally Posted by Gannicus
https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#NorthwestEurope
Yeah, he is very very average, except for his Ydna.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie
You should have kept this as a secret because this might make Gallop very jealous.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Depends on the test, in G25 and K13 I basically plot as Irish, in K36 I basically plot as English. Logically I should plot as Scottish.
Quite expected for someone whose ancestry is 100% Bosnia
https://i.postimg.cc/6p07CZr5/pca-m.png
Gallop would say my father is not the average Andalusian because he is not blond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie
Using Ancestry-only official coords, this is my Similarity Map:
https://i.postimg.cc/2yNmczhq/g25-si...ty-map-(9).png
Put your official Ancestry coords in here to get the map for yourself:
https://www.exploreyourdna.com/Tools/SimilitudeG25
They give Top 30 matches below the map.
My top 2 groups with Ancestry results today in bold:
Top 30 Closest Populations
# Population Distance
1 Dutch 0.0198
2 Danish 0.0206
3 Norwegian 0.0211
4 Scottish 0.0215
5 Orcadian 0.0219
6 Frisian Netherlands 0.0225
7 Irish 0.0225
8 English 0.0232
9 Shetlandic 0.0236
10 Finistère (France) 0.0237
11 Welsh 0.0238
12 Icelandic 0.0240
13 German North Rhine-Westphalia 0.0243
14 Dutch Groningen 0.0243
15 German Hamburg 0.0261
16 French Brittany 0.0261
17 Seine Maritime (France) 0.0263
18 English Cornwall 0.0265
19 German 0.0266
20 Swedish 0.0270
21 Irish Ulster 0.0273
22 Morbihan (France) 0.0274
23 German Lower Saxony 0.0279
24 Bavaria Middle Franconia Erlangen 0.0301
25 German Erlangen 0.0302
26 Nord (France) 0.0305
27 Dutch Central 0.0308
28 Côtes d'Armor (France) 0.0317
29 Dutch North Brabant 0.0327
30 Manche (France) 0.0330
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I made K36 ethno-specific coordinates based on all top "French" and "Fennoscandian" segments to show a more accurate similarity inherited from each side of my family:
My French side:
https://i.postimg.cc/7LCnXDxD/g25-si...y-map-(10).png
My Swedish (Fennoscandian) side:
https://i.postimg.cc/FKfVGmhD/g25-si...y-map-(11).png
Using heat-map tool:
French side vs Fennoscandian side:
https://i.postimg.cc/hG73vVQG/french-k36.png
https://i.postimg.cc/NjKdCR43/2-fenno.png
I plot somewhere in Sahel, like fulani or southern berbers.
Pop distance for me on the G25 Similarity Map:
# Population Distance
1 German Erlangen 0.0207
2 Bavaria Middle Franconia Erlangen 0.0212
3 German Hamburg 0.0217
4 Austrian 0.0217
5 German North Rhine-Westphalia 0.0225
6 German 0.0229
7 Czech 0.0231
8 Hungarian 0.0243
9 German North Bohemia 0.0246
10 German Saxony Leipzig 0.0260
11 German East 0.0260
12 Slovenian 0.0291
13 Croatian 0.0293
14 Dutch 0.0300
15 German Thuringia 0.0315
16 German Thuringia 0.0315
17 German Lower Silesia 0.0316
18 German Mecklenburg 0.0316
19 Seine Maritime (France) 0.0325
20 Danish 0.0325
21 Austrian Carinthia 0.0325
22 German Saxony-Anhalt 0.0328
23 German North 0.0328
24 Swedish 0.0336
25 Ukrainian Zakarpattia 0.0341
26 Polish Silesian 0.0342
27 German Baden-Wurttemberg Ellwangen 0.0344
28 Dutch North Brabant 0.0344
29 Nord (France) 0.0350
30 Welsh
Duplicate
I am Spanish...:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by ScandinavianCelt
https://i.imgur.com/abGVddy.jpeg
# Population Distance
1 Spanish Aragon 0.0166
2 Spanish Cantabria 0.0169
3 Spanish Pirineu 0.0173
4 Spanish La Rioja 0.0182
5 Spanish Terres de l'Ebre 0.0186
6 Spanish Valencia (Valencian) 0.0190
7 Spanish Valencia 0.0191
8 Spanish Aragon North 0.0193
9 Spanish Castilla La Mancha 0.0200
10 Spanish Camp de Tarragona 0.0201
My father:
https://i.imgur.com/8ndFI15.jpeg
# Population Distance
1 Spanish Andalucia 0.0208
2 Portuguese 0.0219
3 Spanish Castilla La Mancha 0.0224
4 Spanish Extremadura 0.0226
5 Spanish Galicia 0.0230
6 Spanish Valencia Alicante (Valencian) 0.0233
7 Spanish Eivissa 0.0237
8 Spanish Alacant 0.0241
9 Spanish Cantabria 0.0241
10 Spanish Menorca 0.0243
My mother:
https://i.imgur.com/c0olD1n.png
# Population Distance
1 Spanish Biscay 0.0213
2 Spanish Barcelones 0.0226
3 Spanish Aragon 0.0242
4 Spanish Pais Vasco 0.0245
5 Spanish Navarra 0.0245
6 Spanish Burgos 0.0247
7 Spanish Aragon North 0.0248
8 Spanish Pirineu 0.0249
9 Basque Spain Alava 0.0252
10 French Chalosse 0.0258
I am Portuguese through and through. 85% of my 30 closest populations are all Iberian and the remaining are from southern and central France and northern Italy.
funny how you are much more western than meQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr. M
I plot basically like my dad, and in middle of Croatian cluster. My genetics looks like I am fully Croat, despite I am not.
@gixajo
My Iberian-specific coordinates map me like this (based on my top 28 segments from the K36 calc, equaling 8.25% of total DNA I have):
https://i.postimg.cc/nLxrdfft/g25-si...y-map-(12).png
My Top 30 Closest IBERIAN (K36) Populations
# Population Distance
1 Basque Baztan 0.0352
2 Basque France Labourd 0.0352
3 Basque Soule 0.0353
4 Basque France Soule 0.0353
5 Basque Lower Navarre 0.0355
6 Basque Roncal 0.0364
7 Basque French 0.0375
8 Basque France 0.0375
9 Basque Gipuzkoa 0.0377
10 Spanish Pais Vasco 0.0379
11 Basque Biscay 0.0390
12 Spanish La Rioja 0.0391
13 Spanish Burgos 0.0393
14 Basque Spain Alava 0.0396
15 French Bearn 0.0396
16 Spanish Biscay 0.0396
17 French Chalosse 0.0399
18 Spanish Aragon North 0.0400
19 French Bigorre 0.0403
20 Spanish Navarra 0.0428
21 Spanish Cantabria 0.0437
22 Spanish Pirineu 0.0440
23 Spanish Aragon 0.0441
24 Spanish Valencia 0.0451
25 Spanish Valencia (Valencian) 0.0453
26 Spanish Cataluna 0.0455
27 Spanish Castilla La Mancha 0.0460
28 Spanish Asturias 0.0462
29 Spanish Castello 0.0467
30 Spanish Galicia 0.0478
And my BASQUE (K36) coordinates show this similarity for me, apparently giving me all my real French background: (based on 19 largest segments, 13.54% of my DNA):
https://i.postimg.cc/NFRf8dCQ/g25-si...y-map-(13).png
My Top 30 Closest BASQUE Populations
# Population Distance
1 Loire-Atlantique (France) 0.0253
2 Manche (France) 0.0262
3 Maine-et-Loire (France) 0.0271
4 French Brittany 0.0279
5 Côtes d'Armor (France) 0.0297
6 Somme (France) 0.0298
7 Welsh 0.0301
8 English 0.0305
9 Morbihan (France) 0.0306
10 English Cornwall 0.0309
11 Finistère (France) 0.0315
12 Ille-et-Vilaine (France) 0.0315
13 French Pas-de-Calais 0.0316
14 Belgian 0.0317
15 French Paris 0.0320
16 Seine Maritime (France) 0.0322
17 Pas-de-Calais (France) 0.0330
18 French Nord 0.0332
19 Calvados (France) 0.0332
20 Nord (France) 0.0340
21 Orcadian 0.0342
22 Scottish 0.0343
23 Flemish Belgium 0.0345
24 Dutch 0.0350
25 Sarthe (France) 0.0354
26 England Hampshire 0.0354
27 French Seine-Maritime 0.0360
28 Swiss German 0.0363
29 Irish 0.0364
30 Irish Ulster 0.0365
Can you give me some suggestions for nice plot websites? I want to check for myself and also for my partner, as his Myheritage DNA results are pending
Because I have lower Balto-Slav paired with a Southern part that is high Paleo-Balkan/low West AsianQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
https://i.postimg.cc/pXTF8FK5/Bildsc...m-02-48-43.png
Target: m
Distance: 1.0949% / 0.01094850 | R3P
48.4 Italian_Veneto
46.0 Russian_Smolensk
5.6 Georgian_Guria
I don't normally include PCA in my reports, but if you order my report I can add extra a European PCA with your position shown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katarzyna
(see my signature for details)
By the way I plot within the western part of the Polish cluster and that's correct based on my ancestry.
Here's where I plot with IA Gauls
Attachment 145647
Attachment 145648
IA Britons
Attachment 145649
Attachment 145650
Try IllustrativeDNAQuote:
Originally Posted by Katarzyna
1 Half - Western/Central Poland
2 Half - Southeastern Poland/Western Ukraine, minor German
https://i.postimg.cc/Gp7n05hN/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/DZXjCjWp/image.png
I plot closest to Castillians and Galicians.
Family is from the Algarve.
Yes, it is according to ancestry.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ze6...hKdN9BnU4/view
Distance to: Dušan_scaled
0.02395095 Serb_Croatia
0.02469625 Serb_Bosnia
0.02488593 Serb_WestSerbia
0.02695592 Moldovan
0.02695900 Serb_Sumadija
0.02753235 Serb
0.02813909 Serb_Belgrade
0.02865171 Bosnian
0.02987385 Croat
0.03053343 Croat_Dalmatia
0.03060636 Serb_SouthSerbia
0.03189019 Croat_Bosnia
0.03213185 Croat_Herzegovina
0.03267043 Bosniak_Croatia
0.03389753 Montenegrin
0.03449678 Romanian
0.03640112 Serb_Montenegro
0.03652688 Hungarian
0.03859383 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.03872550 Bosniak_Sandzak
0.03971085 Slovenian
0.04033745 Pomak_Rhodope_Mountains
0.04064011 Bulgarian
0.04131222 Croat_North
0.04148534 Austrian
0.04268576 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.04294521 Pomak_Danubian_Plain
0.04731845 Cossack_Ukrainian_Dnipropetrovsk
Is anyone else having trouble opening Vahaduo PCAs? This is the first time this has happened to me.
I plot with half roma samples from spain inbetween roma balkan and balkan european
Iirc both of the calculators of TA fame have me as West Ukrainian. I'm 1/4 Slovak and 3/4 Czech (Moravian Slovak though). I'm not sure I'm an outlier or not.
This is probably why your main region in my analysis was Bratislava.Quote:
Originally Posted by villainchai
I'm not even going to bother asking if you've ever had another Moravian Slovak sample xD I should start recruiting so we can find out what we even really are. I'm assuming more genetically Slovak if this is the case but I'm wondering why G25 thinks I'm West Ukrainian. Like what is so eastern about my heritage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peterski
These calculations require a lot of interpretation sometimes. Per the one I posted a little bit ago, it has me closer to the Croatian average than to Danes:dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by villainchai
Edit: Now that I think more about it, Croats are genetically rather central euro shifted, so it makes sense.
Yes, so far you are the only Moravian Slovak I've had!Quote:
Originally Posted by villainchai
Can you post your distances to populations in G25?
IllUSTRATIVE dna closest population:
1 Albanian (Kosovo) 2.385
2 Albanian 2.480
3 Greek (Thessaly) 2.522
4 Bulgarian 2.858
5 Gagauz 2.885
6 Greek (Central Macedonia) 2.921
7 Greek (Eastern Macedonia and Thrace) 2.936
8 Pomak (Bulgaria) 2.967
9 North Macedonian 3.096
10 Italian (Friuli-Venezia Giulia) 3.215
11 Greek (Western Greece) 3.298
12 Italian (Veneto) 3.342
13 Italian (Piedmont) 3.430
14 Montenegrin 3.444
15 Romanian 3.486
16 Serb (Montenegro) 3.519
17 Greek (Peloponnese) 3.713
18 Serb 3.742
19 Italian (Trentino-Alto Adige) 3.759
20 Italian (Lombardy) 3.840
21 Italian (Tuscany) 3.869
22 Italian (Emilia-Romagna) 3.932
23 Italian (Aosta Valley) 4.182
24 Serb (Croatia) 4.244
25 Italian (Marche) 4.255
26 French (Provence) 4.355
27 Italian (Liguria) 4.399
28 Corsican 4.416
29 Italian (Umbria) 4.487
30 Italian (Lazio) 4.618
31 Serb (Bosnia) 4.710
32 Bosniak 4.727
33 Spanish (Balearic Islands) 4.871
34 Italian (Abruzzo) 5.084
35 Greek (Izmir) 5.089
36 Spanish (Catalonia) 5.199
37 Italian (Molise) 5.225
38 Croat 5.246
39 French (Grand Est) 5.263
40 Moldovan 5.311
41 Italian (Apulia) 5.413
42 Spanish (Castilla la Mancha) 5.434
43 Spanish (Murcia) 5.467
44 Spanish (Galicia) 5.469
45 Spanish (Valencia) 5.574
46 Spanish (Extremadura) 5.581
47 Greek (Cyclades) 5.623
48 Spanish (Andalusia) 5.681
49 Italian (Basilicata) 5.726
50 Spanish (Cantabria) 5.743
https://i.ibb.co/6cNDVCGy/PCA-3.png
https://i.ibb.co/Y79QjXH1/PCA-2.png
0.01984221 Bosniak_Sandzak
0.02112693 Montenegrin
0.02114182 Serb_Montenegro
0.02260177 Vlach_Serbia
0.02276593 Vlach_Aromanian_Greece_o
0.02397780 Serb_Serbia_Toplica
0.02650116 Serb
0.02662965 Serb_Serbia_Belgrade
0.02812074 Serb_Serbia_Sumadija
0.02822602 Serb_Serbia_Nisava
0.02846877 Serb_Serbia_Macva
0.02852708 Serb_Croatia
0.02935633 Bulgarian
0.02968511 Croat_Herzegovina
0.02973925 Bosniak_Croatia
0.02975533 Romanian
0.02989282 Serb_Serbia_Central_Banat
0.02997497 Serb_Serbia_Jablanica
0.03030001 Pomak_Bulgaria
0.03048794 Serb_Serbia_Pcinja
0.03133143 Serb_Bosnia
0.03143570 Moldovan_Stefan_Voda
0.03148568 Bosniak
0.03163072 Pomak_Greece
Distance: 0.0191% / 0.01905072 | ADC: 1x RC
54.6 Bosniak_Sandzak
24.0 Serb_Montenegro
21.4 Montenegrin