Poles face discrimination in Lithuania

[arcticwolf]

Ah, Lithuanians.

[RussiaPrussia]

? it's not an EU organisation, you know. Russia is also part of the council of Europe.

we should leave this joke oragnisation and adopt the death penalty like japan and america

[justme]

I don't understand how this is discrimination..? They live in Lithuania so the signs should be in Lithuanian.

[Peterski]

Let's not exaggerate with this discrimination. We are facing some descrimination but we can deal with it, because we are a very strong (numerically, economically, politically, culturally) and well-organized ethnic community. Poles in Lithuania live here for centuries, we are descendants of Polish colonists who settled in this land centuries ago, as well as of some local Polonized Jews, Belarusians, Germans and Balts.

Despite WW2 & post-WW2 deportations & departures to Poland, there are still at least 250,000 Poles in Lithuania and at least 300,000 in Belarus.

Polish march in Wilno / Vilnius last year (in this city the number of Poles is around 100,000):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfg4Xo6zpDM



Below is comparison of data from pre-WW2 and modern official censuses for Lvov (Ukraine), Vilno (Lithuania) and Grodno (Belarus):

Prewar Postwar Kresy cities.png



According to unofficial estimates, there are more Poles in Lvov (30,000 or more), not just few thousands (Ukrainian census).

Before WW2 Lithuanians were - for many centuries (since Late Middle Ages) - only a minority of population in the city of Vilnius.

Census year (country organizing census) - % of Lithuanians in Vilno (number of Lithuanians out of total population):

1897 census (Russia) - 2,0% (3,131 Lithuanians out of 154,532)
1916 census (Germany) - 2,6% (3,699 Lithuanians out of 140,890)
1917 census (Germany) - 2,1% (2,909 Lithuanians out of 138,787)
1931 census (Poland) - 0,8% (1,579 Lithuanians out of 195,021)
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World War 2
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1959 census (Soviet Union) - 33,6% (79,400 Lithuanians out of 236,100)
2001 census (Lithuania) - 57,5% (318,510 Lithuanians out of 553,904)
2011 census (Lithuania) - 63,2% (331,500 Lithuanians out of 524,566)

No matter which census we use, in all censuses earlier than 1959 Lithuanians were only up to 3% of population in Wilno / Vilnius.

Polish census of 1931 could be slightly manipulated in an Anti-Lithuanian way, but still - there is no big difference between 1% and 2%.

Percent of Lithuanians in Vilno in 1897 was actually exactly the same (2%) as that of Poles in Wrocław (Breslau), one of historical capitals of Poland, in 1900. According to 1900 census (German), there were 8,466 Polish-speakers (2%) out of 422,709 total population in Wrocław. As you can see even as late as 2001 Lithuanians had only narrow majority in Vilno. And the countryside around Vilno remains mostly Polish until today. After WW2 most of Poles from Vilno were deported or emigrated to Poland (1931 - 128,628 Poles; 1939 - 140,000; 1959 - 47,200; 2001 - 104,446).

[Hercus Monte]

Before WW2 Lithuanians were - for many centuries (since Late Middle Ages) - only a minority of population in the city of Vilnius.

that's far, very far from being true, the number of poles started to grow with the rzeczpospolita nationalism while in the we were in the Russian empire.
Polish presence in Vilnius, or Wilno, or whatever you want to call it, only started to grow in the late renaissance - industrial era.
the Union of Lublin wasn't even sighed in the late middle ages.

[Fear Fiain]

Duh, there is way too much Poland and not much Lithuania. If I was Lithuanian and I saw Poles crossing into our borders I would give them a rough time, that's called self-defense. Cultural protection is worth more than the happiness of tourists and interlopers.

I would just bring back the joint empire. Lithuanians would be free to move about poland wherever they like, even vilnius

[Rugevit]

double post.

[Rugevit]

I would just bring back the joint empire.

They are in EU already free to move to each other's country.

[Rugevit]

double post.