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    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    O número de espanhóis no Brasil parece-me demasiado em comparação com o número que a wikipedia dá para portugueses (5 milhões):

    https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imigra...uesa_no_Brasil
    Wikipedia é auto-declaração, como o censo mesmo do Brasil, é pura estimativa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    O número de espanhóis no Brasil parece-me demasiado em comparação com o número que a wikipedia dá para portugueses (5 milhões):

    https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imigra...uesa_no_Brasil
    Esos son ciudadanos portugueses, osea brasileiros nacionalizados portugueses.

    Mirá con los italianos en argentina también:
    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inmigr...na#cite_note-1

    Dice 691.481, osea esa es la cantidad de argentinos que tienen nacionalidad italiana tramitada, no se si entendés

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iltirbas View Post
    mientras que un ciudadano de São Paulo que tenga sangre colonial, española, portuguesa y vaya usted a saber qué más simplemente se considere paulista a secas, sea por falta de interés, desconocimiento de sus completas raíces o simplemente por considerarse como parte integral y necesaria de la sociedad y cultura de São Paulo.
    Isso em maior ou menor medida é fruto das medidas integralistas do Brasil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmv88 View Post
    mmm...aca se dice gallego y tano con buena onda..a varios abuelos de amigos mios q son españoles les dicen de sobrenombre "el gallego"..y va con buena onda..

    A los unicos que aca les dicen distinto es a los vascos como por ejemplo "el vasco Arruabarrena"

    por otro lado los q se lo toman mal son los españoles de españa...pero casi siempre viene porque se esta discutiendo por algo
    Si se dice de buena onda no resulta insultante, si se dice discutiendo o como forma jocosa o de desprecio, obviamente sí.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInParadise View Post
    y a los catalanes y vacos, No los consideramos españoles.
    pues la mayoría de ellos sí se consideran españoles, así que ten un poco de respeto por catalanes y vascos y guardate las gilipolleces para tu casa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInParadise View Post
    Los españoles en brasil, son como los franceses en argentina.

    son el tercer grupo de inmigrantes europeos pero pasaron desapercibidos.

    los alemanes obviamente van a resaltar porque son totalmente distinto al resto, los españoles son casi lo mismo que los portugueses por eso pasan desapercibidos
    sisi la verdad que tenes razon...aca recibimos muchos franceses y nadie les da importancia! Si armo listados con frecuencia de apellidos franceses en Latinoamerica Argentina probablemente sea de los primeros o el primero..









    Por ejemplo mira estas frecuencias

    Petit
    Argentina 1: 20,564
    USA 1: 42,828


    Dubois
    Argentina 1: 18,922
    Germany 1: 32,892

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInParadise View Post
    Esos son ciudadanos portugueses, osea brasileiros nacionalizados portugueses.

    Mirá con los italianos en argentina también:
    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inmigr...na#cite_note-1

    Dice 691.481, osea esa es la cantidad de argentinos que tienen nacionalidad italiana tramitada, no se si entendés
    Quererás dizer portugueses nacionalizados brasileiros? Creio que não em todo o caso, do link que coloquei acima apenas em alguns casos dos exemplos dados isso se verifica (Pedro I, Roberto Leal, Carmen Miranda...). Outros como Maitê Proença ou Tiago Lacerda são brasileiros de ascendência portuguesa.

    Seja como for o número 5 milhões não é correcto tal como disse o Blake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmv88 View Post
    sisi la verdad que tenes razon...aca recibimos muchos franceses y nadie les da importancia! Si armo listados con frecuencia de apellidos franceses en Latinoamerica Argentina probablemente sea de los primeros o el primero..
    Faça um dos franceses e faça dos alemanes e comparemos. Argentina is too much Spanish and Italian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake View Post
    Faça um dos franceses e faça dos alemanes e comparemos. Argentina is too much Spanish and Italian.
    we are not comparing the number of immigrants (even when the impact could be similar)..we are comparing that nobody talks about spanish brazilians or french argentines..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInParadise View Post
    I expect many pictures and stuff from our brazilian amigos about "iberian" culture in brazil, since there no many posts about it
    It is very downplayed. If you combine the number of Portuguese and Spaniards who arrived, that's much higher than the number of all other immigrants. There are too many soap operas on Italian immigrants, too much fetish around German Brazilians (with their übermodels) - in Brazil and abroad - and yet the Spaniards are barely mentioned. The Portuguese share the same fate, but that of Spaniards is stronger. Of course the Spaniards settled mainly in São Paulo (also in Bahia). But still São Paulo is the economic center of Brazil, and it projects the Italians but not the Spaniards. I know many Brazilians of recent Spanish ancestry. My maths teacher was a Catalan; a co-worker's father is from Andalusia; the former owner of the flat my parents live in was a Basque; etc etc. They assimilate more easily, just like the Portuguese. The Italians do too but not as much. The Germans, naturally, the least, particularly where they live in groups.

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