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    Default Classify founder of Rep. of Turkey (Mustafa Kemal Atatürk)

    He was Macedonian Turk. He traced back his ancestors to Beylik of Karaman which was strongest state in Anatolia after Ottomans.
    https://www.haberler.com/turk-tarih-...taturk-haberi/









    Real footage from close angles:




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    he is very hard to classify imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri
    He was Macedonian Turk.
    I know him as Western Thracian Turk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComplicatedMystery View Post
    I know him as Western Thracian Turk.
    Partly yeah.
    Prof. Dr. Halaçoğlu, who has access and controls Turkish state archives, says his father is originally from Karaman Yörüks (nomads) resettled to Balkans by Ottomans. His mother side would be from Magnesia (Manisa) Turks who were living in towns.

    Yusuf Halaçoğlu, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk'ün soyunun Anadolu'dan gelerek Rumeli'ye iskan edilen Yörük veya Türkmenlere dayanmakta olduğunu söyledi. Halaçoğlu, Atatürk'ün baba tarafından dedeleri Karaman Yörüklerinden gelirken, anne tarafının Manisa'dan getirilerek Rumeli'ye iskan edilen ve 'Evlad-ı Fatihan' olarak nitelendirilen ailelere mensup olduğunu söyledi. Hallaçoğlu, bu Yörük aşiretinin Manisa'dan göç ettirildikten sonra Batı Makedonya'nın Sarıgöl Bucağı'na yerleştirildiğini, bu aile aşireti ile birlikte daha sonra Selanik'in Lagaza bölgesine göç ettiğini belirtti.

    Belgelerden anlaşıldığına göre Atatürk'ün annesi Zübeyde Hanım'ın annesinin adı Ayşe, babasının adı Sofi-Zade Feyzullah Efendi olduğunu ifade eden Halaçoğlu "Feyzullah Efendi Karaman'dan Rumeli'ye sürgün edilen Yörük aşiretindendir. Zübeyde Hanım'ın, Hasan Ağa ve Hüseyin Ağa isimli iki kardeşi bulunmaktaydı. Atatürk'ün büyük dedesi (babasının babası) Kırmızı Hafız Efendi'nin annesi 'Gulalar', babası 'Pınarlar' ailelerinden gelir. Hafız Ahmet Efendi, kardeşi Hafız Mehmet Emin'le birlikte 1850 yıllarında ticaret amacıyla önce Manastır'a, sonra da Selanik'e gelerek yerleşmiştir. Bu bilgilere baktığımızda Atatürk'ün Karamanlı olduğu kesindir." şeklinde konuştu.

    https://www.haberler.com/turk-tarih-...taturk-haberi/


    Beylik of Karaman for who they don't know:
    1250-1487



    He was from the Turkic folk of that beylik as Halaçoğlu says
    Last edited by Böri; 08-05-2018 at 10:47 AM.

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    Nordic-Noric

    Color reconstruction.

    I don’t know if colorised (likely).
    1) Alpine,Dinaric,Mediterranean,Baltic and Nordic should be enough to identify most Europeans.
    2) These are not races, just examples of possible variants. Have fun with them but don’t take it seriously.
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    4) We are all WC: Westernized Consumers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Columella View Post
    Color reconstruction.

    I don’t know if colorised (likely).
    Nay nay nay. Not reconstruction.
    That's waxwork, trying to show him like a Scandinavian.
    He had light pigmentation (which is normal among Turks) however he was not Anglo-looking.

    That's why I took original photos and real video footage in OP.




    Blond wolf.

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    [QUOTE=Böri;5319136]Nay nay nay. Not reconstruction.
    That's waxwork, trying to show him like a Scandinavian.
    He had light pigmentation (which is normal among Turks) however he was not Anglo-looking.

    That's why I took original photos and real video footage in OP.
    Possibly. But in the reconstructions creatures seem quite accurate.
    Also remember that b/w pics always theme to darken hair. (Except for light blonde which in b/w photo does the opposite and appears white)

    He is probably a mix, in which Noric/Alpine likely with some Med type are together.





    Blond wolf.
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    good looking man

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    He has a Norid skull type and facial features. Nevertheless, he has a self-distinctive look and stands out with his charisma. True born leader.




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    Portraying him as English looking was part of the propaganda. Being blond and blue eyed aren't NW European patents. Waxworks don't work, he didn't live in middle ages especially considering he has real video footages and pictures.

    Noric means Nordic + Dinaric....
    You are welcome to show the Dinaric element. Nordics have long skull, while Atatürk was brachycephalic.
    He was neither.
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