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    Default North Norwegian Hunter-Gatherer on GEDmatch

    Hunter-gatherer stg001 from Steigen, Norway, years 4000-3800 BC:

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map...7.8092/14.7035

    I have uploaded him to GEDmatch Genesis: kit number KG5281659

    mtDNA: U5a1d
    Y-DNA: I2a1b

    Eurogenes K15 results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 34.27
    2 Baltic 31.01
    3 Eastern_Euro 30.34
    4 Amerindian 4.31
    5 Atlantic 0.07

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Estonian 18.2
    2 Erzya 19.21
    3 Kargopol_Russian 20.09
    4 East_Finnish 20.36
    5 Lithuanian 20.88
    6 Ukrainian 21.13
    7 Southwest_Russian 21.24
    8 Finnish 21.29
    9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.86
    10 Ukrainian_Lviv 22.03
    11 Belorussian 22.13
    12 Estonian_Polish 22.34
    13 Polish 22.47
    14 South_Polish 23.06
    15 Russian_Smolensk 23.69
    16 Southwest_Finnish 24.35
    17 North_Swedish 26.55
    18 Hungarian 27.61
    19 Moldavian 27.64
    20 La_Brana-1 27.71

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 61.3% Estonian + 38.7% Erzya @ 17.5
    2 91.5% Estonian + 8.5% MA-1 @ 17.7
    3 87.1% Estonian + 12.9% Chuvash @ 17.79
    4 91.1% Estonian + 8.9% Mari @ 17.91
    5 97.8% Estonian + 2.2% Karitiana @ 17.99
    6 97.7% Estonian + 2.3% Anzick-1 @ 18
    7 97.7% Estonian + 2.3% Pima @ 18.01
    8 97.7% Estonian + 2.3% Mayan @ 18.03
    9 98.1% Estonian + 1.9% North_Amerindian @ 18.11
    10 85% Estonian + 15% Kargopol_Russian @ 18.14
    11 99.3% Estonian + 0.7% West_Greenlander @ 18.19
    12 96.6% Estonian + 3.4% East_Finnish @ 18.2
    13 99.5% Estonian + 0.5% Tabassaran @ 18.2
    14 100% Estonian + 0% Abhkasian @ 18.2
    15 100% Estonian + 0% Adygei @ 18.2
    16 100% Estonian + 0% Afghan_Hazara @ 18.2
    17 100% Estonian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 18.2
    18 100% Estonian + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 18.2
    19 100% Estonian + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 18.2
    20 100% Estonian + 0% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 18.2

    Eurogenes K36:

    114025 SNPs used in this evaluation

    Population
    Amerindian 2.32 Pct
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque -
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro -
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan -
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 21.36 Pct
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 23.67 Pct
    Fennoscandian 33.75 Pct
    French -
    Iberian -
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian -
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 7.09 Pct
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 8.94 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 2.88 Pct
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med -

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    Edit:

    Location of Steigen within Nordland County:



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    Edit:

    BTW when modeled in ADMIXTURE modern Norwegians show a significant amount of Polish-like DNA, maybe a Steigen connection?:

    https://static-content.springer.com/...MOESM1_ESM.pdf



    Steigen in ph2ter's PCA that he posted in my thread about this on another forum, he is even closer to Vepsians than to Estonians:



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    Some archaeological context (posted by Boreas on another forum):

    Steigen was U5a1, just as two of the oldest remains found in western Fenno-Scandia; Hummervikholmen 1 and 2 - a man and a woman from the southernmost shores of Norway, some 9.500 BP.

    Moreover, the man carried y-dna I2 (M438), while Steigen 3.500 yrs later carried I2 (M423).

    Both these populations represent descendants of the pioneers that populated the Norwegian coast after ice-time, between 11.900 and 11.200 BP - from Hummerholmen to North Cape.

    One may suspect that I2-M438 is ancestral to I2-M423.

    It's well documented that these pioneers were seaborn fishers, trappers and hunters - mastering deep-sea-fishing as well as seal- and whale-hunting; from the North Sea to the Arctic Ocean.

    Their origin is pretty well known to have been Bromme-Lyngby, from which this "Fosna-Hensbacka-culture" spread north, at the very beginning of the Holocene already.

    Meanwhile the Bromme-Lyngby starts sperading south as the "Ahrensburg/Federmesser-culture" - branching south along the Atlantic Facade - as well as east into the Baltic, repopulating the mounth of Oder and Vistula - from where the "Swidrien-culture" went east, to become the Kunda/Volga/Suoumisalmi-cultures. This eastern branch became dominant east of the Botnic Oceaan - effectively repopulating Finland and the northern tiers of Fenno-Scandia - today recognized as the 10.800 year old "Komsa-culture".

    During the late mesolithic is seems a borderland between the "Fosna-Hensbacka" and the "Komsa" develops along the weathershed north of Lofoten and the watershed of the North-Scandinavian Mountainridge. By 8.000 BP the major rivers crossing the northern arctic was somewhat populated - as routes of travel and trade went from the Botnic Bay - west to the North Atlantic and east to the White Sea, Carelia and the Volga-trade. The east-west-connections were very early. The first migrants to follow the Volga towards the Caspian Sea and Ural are documented around 11.000 yrs BP.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.2003703

    Today we know that the oldest pottery found in Europe came through these connections - no less than 9.000 yrs ago. The first East-Asian ('Sino-Tibetan') brides to arrive Oleni Ostrov in Carelia appeared no less than 7.500 yrs BP. Well married, cherished and memorized - by a specific grave aka memorial - she could hardly have crossed the Urals by chance and luck.

    One may note that Gunther et al misses out of the scenario of a common, paleolithic origin for the SHG, the EHG and the WHG - from - a refugia known to have survived at the shores of the Western Baltics - from where it spread both west and east. When these two branches meets - north of the Arctic Circle around 11.000 years ago - they had already developed characteristic differences in terms of tool-material and knapping-techniques, later visible in house-constructions, pottery-production, art/deco and trade-connections/import-materials. The eastern Komsa were obviously connected with contemporary Finland/Careila/Estonia - whose cultural origin were very close to the Swidrien - from where the early Komsa got their flint. Unlike the early Fosna-Hensbacka, who enjoyed shipments from the Scanian and Danian flint-mines.

    The first HG succeeding to re-populate the Atlantic Facade from Biscany to North Cape, as well as the rivers mounting the North Sea and the Baltic Sea - all seem to share y-dna I2.
    The later spread of EEF - between the rivers - seem to congruate pretty well with the Holocene Optimum and a massive growth of R1a and R1b throughout Eurasia, together with horse-breeding and cattle-farming, diaries and lactose persistance.

    Some think the bifurication of y-dna R1 - into R1a and R1b - seem to have happened around the southern shores of the Baltics. That would correspond quite neatly with the native habitat of the paleolithic Aurochs, namely the heaths surrounding the wetlands of NW Europe - from Vallonia to Pommerania. Surrounding the SW Baltoics, where the highest diversity of domesticated horse- and cattle-races are found - along with the highest percentage of lactose persistance among any native population in the world.

    http://theconversation.com/ancient-d...inavians-89703

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    Edit:

    Official PCA from the study in which stg001 was published, also confirms its "Estonian-nness":

    https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.2003703

    https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...=supplementary



    ^^^
    This PCA shows that Norwegian hunter-gatherers were different than Swedish hunter-gatherers.
    Last edited by Peterski; 02-13-2019 at 05:59 AM.

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    Next time before you say "Estonia is not a Nordic country", remember: Estonians were the original Scandinavians.



    So the Pre-Indo-European substrate in Scandinavia were basically Estonians. But his Y-DNA haplogroup was I2a1b.

    I2a1b, which is common among Slavs, was probably also assimilated by them from Estonian-like hunter-gatherers.

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    Lol, the highest North European percentage I've ever seen

    Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

    Kit KG5281659

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_European 87.54
    2 Atlantic_Med 7.75
    3 Siberian 4.38
    4 Sub_Saharan 0.33

    HarappaWorld Oracle results:

    Kit KG5281659

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE-Euro 87.66
    2 American 3.82
    3 Mediterranean 3.3
    4 Beringian 2.26
    5 Siberian 1.47
    6 Baloch 1.02
    7 W-African 0.48

    puntDNAL K13 Global Oracle results:

    Kit KG5281659

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NE_Europe 89.69
    2 Americas 4.06
    3 Siberia 2.32
    4 South_Asia 2.13
    5 SW_Europe 1.81

    Now it's becoming clear where the "Amerindian" in Northern Europeans comes from.

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    Basically he was part of the population which, much later, the Sagas called Kvens:

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Scandinavians

    Is Steigen hunter-gatherer present in Global25 spreadsheet ???

    Dodecad V3:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_European 58.23
    2 East_European 37.33
    3 Northeast_Asian 4.01
    4 Palaeo_African 0.24
    5 Neo_African 0.09
    6 Mediterranean 0.09

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Finnish (Dodecad) 8.3

    2 FIN (1000Genomes) 10.44
    3 Swedish (Dodecad) 26.92
    4 Russian (HGDP) 27
    5 Polish (Dodecad) 27.48
    6 Russian (Dodecad) 27.6
    7 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 27.99
    8 German (Dodecad) 28.7
    9 Norwegian (Dodecad) 30.46
    10 Lithuanians (Behar) 30.93
    11 Slovenian (Xing) 31.67
    12 Hungarians (Behar) 32.56
    13 Lithuanian (Dodecad) 32.69
    14 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 32.71
    15 N._European (Xing) 32.97
    16 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 33.45
    17 Orcadian (HGDP) 33.67
    18 CEU (HapMap) 34.37
    19 Belorussian (Behar) 34.49
    20 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 36.38

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 87.7% Finnish (Dodecad) + 12.3% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 7.2
    2 86.3% Finnish (Dodecad) + 13.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 7.21
    3 66.9% Finnish (Dodecad) + 33.1% FIN (1000Genomes) @ 7.49

    4 92.1% Finnish (Dodecad) + 7.9% Irish (Dodecad) @ 7.63
    5 93% Finnish (Dodecad) + 7% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 7.81
    6 93.4% Finnish (Dodecad) + 6.6% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) @ 7.84
    7 93.3% Finnish (Dodecad) + 6.7% British (Dodecad) @ 7.84
    8 93.9% Finnish (Dodecad) + 6.1% Kent (1000 Genomes) @ 7.93
    9 94.6% Finnish (Dodecad) + 5.4% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 8.03
    10 94.8% Finnish (Dodecad) + 5.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 8.07
    11 96.4% Finnish (Dodecad) + 3.6% Orkney (1000 Genomes) @ 8.22
    12 96.7% Finnish (Dodecad) + 3.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 8.23
    13 96.8% Finnish (Dodecad) + 3.2% Argyll (1000 Genomes) @ 8.23
    14 97.6% Finnish (Dodecad) + 2.4% N._European (Xing) @ 8.26
    15 98.3% Finnish (Dodecad) + 1.7% CEU (HapMap) @ 8.28
    16 98.3% Finnish (Dodecad) + 1.7% German (Dodecad) @ 8.29
    17 100% Finnish (Dodecad) + 0% Adygei (HGDP) @ 8.3
    18 100% Finnish (Dodecad) + 0% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 8.3
    19 100% Finnish (Dodecad) + 0% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 8.3
    20 100% Finnish (Dodecad) + 0% Armenians_16 (Behar) @ 8.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Now it's becoming clear where the "Amerindian" in Northern Europeans comes from.
    His results in Eurogenes Hunter_Gatherer vs. Farmer Admixture Proportions:

    Population
    Anatolian Farmer -
    Baltic Hunter Gatherer 94.03 Pct
    Middle Eastern Herder -
    East Asian Farmer -
    South American Hunter Gatherer 4.75 Pct
    South Asian Hunter Gatherer -
    North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 1.22 Pct
    East African Pastoralist -
    Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
    Mediterranean Farmer -
    Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
    Bantu Farmer -
    Last edited by Peterski; 02-12-2019 at 10:05 AM.

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    So that population was basically the first population of Scandinavia? No Neolithic admixture. I guess European Russia and Baltia were inhabited by similar groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    So that population was basically the first population of Scandinavia? No Neolithic admixture.
    Of course, because Neolithic farmers only colonized Southern Scandinavia, they never reached as farth north as Steigen.

    This study has a nice map showing the spread of farming: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/d...rsif.2015.0166

    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    I guess European Russia and Baltia were inhabited by similar groups.
    Yes I also think so. And probably I2a1b "Dinaric" (or rather: I2a1b "Slavic") also comes from such hunters like stg001:

    http://blog.vayda.pl/i2a-dinaric-subclade-y3120/




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    Great info, very interesting!

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    If this guy is in Global25, someone should try to use him in models as a proxy for Pre-Indo-European substrate of Balts and Slavs.

    It has been noticed before that "something is missing" in G25 models for Balto-Slavs involving Steppe, Neolithic, etc. admixtures.

    Look how much of Balto-Slavic specific drift - represented by East_Central_Euro in K36 and Baltic in K13/K15 - Steigen apparently had.

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    His siberian/amerind admix probably resulted from ANE's ancient ENA component.

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    Peterski, It would be very useful to have him in G25. Maybe Davidski can add him?

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