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Alpine + Borreby CM. Nothing med about this guy imo.
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this venetian youtuber has similar vibe i find, can you see it in him as well ?Originally Posted by Stearsolina
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Italians are very diverse. There are many Italians in DK and their look often surprises me: some look very nordic, others almost middle Eastern.
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Alpine, Dinaric and Atlanto/Gracile Med belong all in the "Med" spectrum. All types can be found in Sardinia- most Med Europeans and generally in the wider Med- world. This distinctions only by Cephalic Index/ Nasal Index etc are pretty autistic.
Mesolithic Hunter Gatherers and Neolithic Farmers had more or less a similar Cephalic Index when the latter entered Europe (dolicephalic). Its extremly unrealistic (foolish in fact) to think they looked very similar however only because of this similarity.
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Yep, definitelly!
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I agree it's not very common look nor typical light Italian look like that. But, if you study closely, he has some very Italian facial/expression details
for example he don't have typical Borreby thin lips, his eye shape really does have Med influence etc.
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I would say Alpine, Dinaric and Atlanto-Med are all in the intermediary spectrum. They peak in intermediary populations like Spaniards(genetically halfway between N. Europeans and South Italians), Central Balkans, France/Alps for Alpine, while Med/Gracile Med/West Med/East Med/etc are the southern most possible looking phenotypes that still peak in geographic Europe. Too many people think Atlantid, North Pontid, Sub-Nordid are the intermediaries, while they peak in yes intermediary, but not halfway intermediary populations, closer to 75-85% northern genetically. Atlanto-Med is probably overrated in Sardinia, although I could be wrong, and S. Italy is more southern genetically anyway. You can find them in Sardinia because you can find every phenotype everywhere(for the most part), albeit at low rates.
The OP definitely has Med, I can see why you could think Norid because of the eyes, but there's key differences in the eyes. Meds have two types of eye shapes, the kind of more squinty "desertified" looking type of eyes ala(although this is supposed to be an Atlanto-Med):
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or the big, bulgy, bug eyes like Spaniard Jose Primo De Rivera(Anne Hathaway another good example of Med eyes, although her other features are still enough to keep her in Alpinized Atlantid and Atlanto-Med intermediary range, especially the pale skin, but her eyes are pretty much pure Med, such variation in features combined with Hathaway's ancestry makes it so much more ridiculous that some people think they can classify 80%+ of people with one phenotype):
(tbh these should probably be two different Med types but the distinction was never made)
Marvin Vettori doesn't have the latter, but I think his eyes are identical to the former. Very similar eyes to Benito Mussolini(although of course, there's some people on this forum that would classify him as pure CM lol):
The resemblance in the eye shape is uncanny imo:
Thicker lips is also a Med trait, Faelids, Norids and Alpines have thin lips from what I've seen. Also, is he really brachy? Looks more meso, with a thick neck making his head look shorter than it is, but maybe. Definitely flattish occiput.
Either way, you said Borrebies can be both brachy and not brachy before, so I see no reason why the same thing can't be said for Faelids, if he is brachy then adding +Alpine works for me, but the Med definitely has to stay imo. The consensus isn't purely CM(aka Scandinavian, Irish-Scots or Balto-Slavic looking) or a more central type like Alpine+CM, lots of people have said south Euro or atleast somewhat Italian looking so I think there's atleast an argument, but I would concede I'm wrong with the Med if the vast majority didn't see it(unlike some people lol, I think we both know who I'm talking about).
The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpineoldschool anthropology
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I agreewith most things said- he is def. brachy however and probably around 84- 85 at least.
here a person of 84 cephalic index, thats why i m always saying in reality between sub brachy and high- meso is little difference in most cases, every thing lower 75 and higher 85 will be "easier" to judge and ultimatly be more determental of a phenotype
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...index_84.2.png
Regarding Faelid, depends on the definintion you follow, but most are high meso. Dependson indivudal , i agree, maybe some like Jens Lehmann might be over 80 Ci (so sub-brachy), still a Faelid, while someone like Oliver Kahn is most likely dolicephalic.
btw: its rare to see someone get classified as Alpine with neutral eye shape (and i think its rare), ulitmately people jsut go with the more obvious features (how broad faced someone is etc.)
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You really think Marvin has these eyes ?
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How hard did you look for those?You really think Marvin has these eyes ?
If he makes the same expression, yes.
Benito's are bigger, but the shape is largely the same.
The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpine
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