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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithium View Post
    Should I feel bad now? There is no such thing in my country
    Bulgaria=30% E1b1b1a2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordid View Post
    That's funny you say that because Southern Europe have higher percent of Semitic/J Haplogroup than Poland:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...28Y-DNA%29.svg
    J haplogroup spread out from Levant/Mesopotamia long before the semitic peoples aroused out from somewhere in the arabian peninsula. Moreover J and other near-eastern haplogroups has not remained unchanged and have geographically derivated into local sub-haplogroups which enable to know which haplos come with Neolithic farmers and which ones come in i.e. Southern Spain with moors.

    J haplogroups in South Europe and elsewhere in Europe has nothing to do with semitics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bass View Post
    Here you got your connection.

    This Map departs from North Africa, No SSA Africa area shown. And for cause; E1b1 sub-haplo begin spliting into E1b1a and E1b1b branches by 45-40 kya ago; long time before human populations begun differenciating into modern physical types from the generalized Homo Sapiens (which metrically gathered morphological traits of all the living human types of today).
    Hg E1b1b is not considered as an indicator of Africana dmixture; If you have a careful red to papers dealing with male Sub-Saharian admixture, the Hg from the E1b1b family are never taken as indicators of Black African admixture.
    Not to tell that since at least 3 years ago most eminent genetitians like Cavalli-Sforza are working the hypothesis that haplogroup E migrated back from West-Eurasia to Africa:

    It is also interesting to
    sum the distributions of different haplogroups descending from the
    same mutation, as for example D and E, which both descend from
    DE-YAP, the first mutation that split into the E branch that
    perhaps returned to Africa (or arose there), whereas the other
    branch, D, is found today mainly in the Himalayas and Japan.


    (from: Y chromosome diversity, human expansion, drift,
    and cultural evolution; Jacques Chiaronia, Peter A. Underhillb, and Luca L. Cavalli-Sforzac, September 26, 2009.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AR89 View Post
    Your first sentence is false, they have admixture, and even more than spaniards.
    Moorjani's study is clear.
    North Italians have less SS African mixture than Iberians or Southern Italians though they do have some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bass View Post
    Bulgaria=30% E1b1b1a2.
    European clade.
    Split 16.000 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertas View Post
    Moorjani's study is clear.
    North Italians have less SS African mixture than Iberians or Southern Italians though they do have some.
    Now someone should prove the correlation between admixture and lower IQ (pure idiocy).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incal View Post
    If this is true... Then why are Southern Europeans superior to Slavs (who are supposed to be über pure) in any possible way?
    i exagerated a bit but i actually was trolling Bass (so don't take my words seriously)...
    I don't know what's he is trying to proof anyway, if he thinks that glory of ancient Greece and Rome, the reinaissance ecc belongs to SSA then he is very wrong.
    Anyway even Slavs aren't an homogeneus group, and maybe some slavs groups are less advanced than some southern euro groups (you can't compare Tuscanians and Lombards with Bulgarians and Macedonians for example but either you can't compare Czech and Campanians...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigur View Post
    Mordid is part black,

    My blackk brothaaaa welcome home nigga up
    Yeaaaaa Mordid my homie, we're more brothers than we think dawg, come hug me bro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Negro blood makes civilizations death even if the percentage is very small, WASPS were right to apply the one drope rule...
    I think that they cannot unfortunately understand the foundation of the Western civilisation and culture, for example there is no way that they can understand properly or accept on the whole what have said European philosophers as Nietzsche (), that's simply genetic. And for the half-breeds, they have not so many choices it seems, or they blend into the ignorant and idealistic mass of the World, or they isolate themselves from everything and end up dying in dementia.

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    It's impossible to judge whether "Slavs" or "Mediterraneans" are objectively superior, because both of those groups are so racially heterogeneous (and culturally even more so) that they cannot be counted as single units.

    That being said, I mostly concur with the poster who said that the Lombards and Tuscans are clearly superior to Bulgarians and Ukrainians, whereas the Czechs are superior to Southern Italy's racial dregs. It is too complex to be an "either or" issue.

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