Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

[orangepulp]

All my 5 spots are small so basically it's totally noise, and your 2 spots are also small same thing noise.

Just your 1 Hungarian spot is big, I think you should hung on that based on evons statement, I personally have got no clue about the map

On AF I share 8.4cm with a Hungarian, the Swedish one is 6.0% cm and 3 Germans between 5-6 cm. Yea Swedish and German is probably a noise.

[The Exiled King]

5 CM:
6.9249 - Utah_Mormon, NA12718
5.3927 - Dutch, NL4

4 CM:
4.0204 - Burusho, HGDP00359
5.3927 - Dutch, NL4
4.1383 - French, HGDP00524
4.4629 - Russian, RU4
4.1932 - Utah_Mormon, NA11882
6.9249 - Utah_Mormon, NA12718

This is great, the only problem is I don't have a lot of matches at the 5 CM and 4 CM level. I do have a lot more matches at the 3 CM level of course and it goes along with my known ancestry quite well not to mention the ancient aspects and ancient ancestral components of it.

[evon]

On AF I share 8.4cm with a Hungarian, the Swedish one is 6.0% cm and 3 Germans between 5-6 cm. Yea Swedish and German is probably a noise.

I dont think 6cM is noise if its so persistent, it could be anything, i know many people with German ancestry migrated into the Ottoman realm during the German settlement of Eastern Europe, Balkan and Caucasus, so it might be via that?



http://www.rollintl.com/roll/grsettle.htm


Would be funny if we both have German ancestry then it could also explain the Swedish and Hungarian match, especially the Swedish one given the high number of Germans who immigrated to Scandinavia during the last 100 years...

[orangepulp]

I dont think 6cM is noise if its so persistent, it could be anything, i know many people with German ancestry migrated into the Ottoman realm during the German settlement of Eastern Europe, Balkan and Caucasus, so it might be via that?



http://www.rollintl.com/roll/grsettle.htm


Would be funny if we both have German ancestry then it could also explain the Swedish and Hungarian match, especially the Swedish one given the high number of Germans who immigrated to Scandinavia during the last 100 years...

I doubt I have German ancestry, maybe they have Anatolian ancestry? I know that my family comes from very isolated villages and they usually keep to themselves.

Some of my AF matches

3 Full Germans I share with
6.1 cm
5.2cm
5.1cm

7 from Turkey
9.0cm
8.8 cm ( Armenian actually)
8.3cm
6.6cm
6.5cm
5.5cm
5.1cm

4 full Italians

6.6cm
5.8cm
5.3cm
5.3cm

4 full Russians:

7.5cm
5.8cm
5.2cm
5.1cm

1 full Polish

6.6cm


My 4 grandparents at 5 cm:

United States 1.0%
Turkey 0.3%
Italy 0.3%
Russia 0.2%
Poland 0.2%
Germany 0.2%
Australia 0.2%
Sweden 0.1%
Mexico 0.1%
Hungary 0.1%
Denmark 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Croatia 0.1%

[Atlantic Islander]

Since people are posting theirs, here's mine.

Portuguese - PT6 (?) - 7.4791
Spanish - HG01529 - 5.6838
Orcadian - HG00113 - 5.1078
Orcadian - HG00102 - 5.049
-------------------------------
French Basque - HGDP01358 - 4.996
Polish - PL1 (Polako) - 4.7466
Turkish - GSM536797 - 4.6729
Moroccan Jewish - GSM536509 - 4.6371
British - UK19 (Graham) - 4.5602
Utah Mormon - NA12762 - 4.3929
Tuscan - NA20541 - 4.3279
Swedish/Norwegian - SENO2 (?) - 4.3118
Irish - IE20 (?) - 4.2518
Swedish - SE28 (?) - 4.2102
North Italian - HGDP01171 - 4.1897
White American - US156 (?) - 4.0743

I match some of these people more than once though.

[evon]

I doubt I have German ancestry, maybe they have Anatolian ancestry? I know that my family comes from very isolated villages and they usually keep to themselves.

Some of my AF matches

3 Full Germans I share with
6.1 cm
5.2cm
5.1cm

1 full Polish

6.6cm
My 4 grandparents at 5 cm:

Poland 0.2%
Germany 0.2%
Czech Republic 0.1%

This is actually quite high German scores, there are very few fully German people on 23andme, my aunt whom has "confirmed" German ancestry only has 0,5% with 3 Segment matches on AF and a few Relative finder cousins. Czech and Polish could here be due to Germany also, Russians are common matches for Turks due to regional bonds, but if any of them show up from around the Volga i would check if they have potential Volga German ancestry also.

I dont think you will find much Anatolian ancestry among most Germans (The Ottoman empire was usually a destination for immigration, not Germany), but you might have common Jewish ancestry also...

My granny also comes from a very rural region, yet she has got Roma ancestry

Since people are posting theirs, here's mine.

Portuguese - PT6 (?) - 7.4791
Spanish - HG01529 - 5.6838
Orcadian - HG00113 - 5.1078
Orcadian - HG00102 - 5.049
-------------------------------
French Basque - HGDP01358 - 4.996
Polish - PL1 (Polako) - 4.7466
Turkish - GSM536797 - 4.6729
Moroccan Jewish - GSM536509 - 4.6371
British - UK19 (Graham) - 4.5602
Utah Mormon - NA12762 - 4.3929
Tuscan - NA20541 - 4.3279
Swedish/Norwegian - SENO2 (?) - 4.3118
Irish - IE20 (?) - 4.2518
Swedish - SE28 (?) - 4.2102
North Italian - HGDP01171 - 4.1897
White American - US156 (?) - 4.0743

I match some of these people more than once though.

Having multiple segments is usually a sign of closer shared ancestry then singular segments, although their size matters ect, beware thought that 4cM and those above will show up in the 4cM file, so it would seem there are two when looking at the 5cM, but infact its just one..

[Graham]

Orangepulp your matches.

7.9831 -- Armenian -- GSM536826
5.1973 -- Hungarian -- GSM536626
-----------------------------------------
4.7446 -- Swedish -- SE15
4.5318 -- Balkar -- Balkar42Y
4.5112 -- Vologda Russian -- HGDP00887
4.4193 -- German -- DE27
4.1672 -- Abhkasian -- Abhkasian24Y
4.0357 -- Armenian -- AM176Y
-----------------------------------------
3.9866 -- Vologda_Russian -- HGDP00903
3.9683 -- German -- DE19
3.8623 -- Nogay -- Nogay6Y
3.8127 -- West Greenland -- GSM558761
3.8127 -- West Greenland -- GSM558765
3.7948 -- Mongol -- GSM558858
3.7251 -- Russian -- GSM536913
3.6948 -- Vologda Russian -- HGDP00888
3.6792 -- Turkish -- GSM536802
3.6152 -- Armenian -- AM176Y
3.6103 -- Turkish -- GSM536796
3.5640 -- Kurdish -- Kurd1173Y
3.5588 -- Yemeni Jewish -- GSM536532

[Damião de Góis]

I would like to see mine, but i'm too tired. If it's not a lot of work and if someone is able to run it easily then i'm PT2.

[orangepulp]

This is actually quite high German scores, there are very few fully German people on 23andme, my aunt whom has "confirmed" German ancestry only has 0,5% with 3 Segment matches on AF and a few Relative finder cousins. Czech and Polish could here be due to Germany also, Russians are common matches for Turks due to regional bonds, but if any of them show up from around the Volga i would check if they have potential Volga German ancestry also.

I dont think you will find much Anatolian ancestry among most Germans (The Ottoman empire was usually a destination for immigration, not Germany), but you might have common Jewish ancestry also...

If that's the case I wonder how on Earth I got German?? I do know of oral stories of some ancestors coming from Caucasus, I don't know if the German could be via Caucasus or maybe it is Turkic?? You know Turkic people do score North Euro.

My top Russian match actually has one 4 GP German sharing at 5.8cm in his list.

My Czech match is 5.3cm and Croatia is 7.1cm

I don't have Jewish ancestry and I didn't score any Ashkenazi on AF.

My granny also comes from a very rural region, yet she has got Roma ancestry

Is it orally known or you found out from DNA test?

Orangepulp your matches.

7.9831 -- Armenian -- GSM536826
5.1973 -- Hungarian -- GSM536626
-----------------------------------------
4.7446 -- Swedish -- SE15
4.5318 -- Balkar -- Balkar42Y
4.5112 -- Vologda Russian -- HGDP00887
4.4193 -- German -- DE27
4.1672 -- Abhkasian -- Abhkasian24Y
4.0357 -- Armenian -- AM176Y
-----------------------------------------
3.9866 -- Vologda_Russian -- HGDP00903
3.9683 -- German -- DE19
3.8623 -- Nogay -- Nogay6Y
3.8127 -- West Greenland -- GSM558761
3.8127 -- West Greenland -- GSM558765
3.7948 -- Mongol -- GSM558858
3.7251 -- Russian -- GSM536913
3.6948 -- Vologda Russian -- HGDP00888
3.6792 -- Turkish -- GSM536802
3.6152 -- Armenian -- AM176Y
3.6103 -- Turkish -- GSM536796
3.5640 -- Kurdish -- Kurd1173Y
3.5588 -- Yemeni Jewish -- GSM536532

Thanks

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[evon]

If that's the case I wonder how on Earth I got German?? I do know of oral stories of some ancestors coming from Caucasus, I don't know if the German could be via Caucasus or maybe it is Turkic?? You know Turkic people do score North Euro.

Is it orally known or you found out from DNA test?

I would pay more attention to DNA then oral stories, oral stories tend to be too frequently changed to fit the needs or wants of the people who transmit them, just look at the elaborate stories told my most royal families, including the Ottomans who claimed distant ancestry with Muhammed among others.

Turkic speaking peoples in central Asia could have Germany ancestry from the Mongol period onwards, but i think this would be limited to peoples in Mongolia proper and China, maybe also in the middle east (the Mongol's shipped German miners and metal craftsmen to eastern asia);

In 1253, the Franciscan monk William of Rubruck reported numerous Europeans in Central Asia. He described German prisoners who had been enslaved in iron mines. In Karakorum, the Mongol capital, he met with a Parisian, Guillaume de Buchier, and a woman named Pâquette, from the French city of Metz, both of them having been captured in Hungary during the Mongol invasions there. Hungarians and Russians are also mentioned. It is also known that 30,000 Alans formed the guard of the Mongol court in Pekin.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europea...Medieval_China

But my guess is this connection is from one of several possible sources;

- Immigration into the Ottoman realms (Balkan?) by German migrants(my best guess).

- German slaves captured by the Barbary corsairs (they even raided Iceland).

- German person coming to the middle east during pax Mongolica as a craftsman (we know of Chinese peoples also coming to the region):

One thousand northern Chinese engineer squads accompanied the Mongol Khan Hulagu during his conquest of the Middle East.[4][5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquests


My grandmother does not have oral stories of having Roma ancestry, but DNA dosnt lie. Its funny though as my grandmothers husband (my grandfather) has oral stories of having potential Swedish Tater ancestry (Taters are local travellers with distant roots to Roma, they came to Norway/Sweden in the 15-1600's and are mostly assimilated), but he seems rather to have East Asian ancestry (Volga Tatars, Uzbeks, Manchurian ect) then South Asian if judging by his son's (my uncle) DNA results.