Is West Asian a European component?

[orangepulp]

What's weird for my results is I have more Southwest Asian than I should, but less West Asian.

Show us your results.

[Hellenas]

What am I lying about that West Asian component is not European!! That means Turks, Armenians, Kurds, etc.. are all European!

Besides, it says Greeks have common roots with people of Asia Minor which basically means you have Near Eastern genes.

Again...

It doesn't mean that we are SW & West Asiats and thus half "non-Europeans", it means that we just have a common origin. We the Greeks are partly Neolithic and we have came from the Near East at least 9,000-10,000 years ago, but right now we are completely Europeanized(became whiter, got lighter eyes and hairs-dark brown, the hairs turned straighter, ther facial characteristics refined etc), we are not "Asiats" any more, we are Europeans. According to the way you see genetics soon you will come out with statements such as: "Half of Europe is not European".

Globe 13 is the latest run by Dienekes, I posted the link and I am posting it again:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...E&pli=1#gid=24

19 Greeks participated.

Your link don't work. 19 GREEKS??? And you think this represent the Greeks?

No, I didn't say this. I said that certain Southern Euros such as Greeks and Italians have significant amount of non-European originated components thus makes them not completely European in the genetic sense.

This gene goes back 10,000 years ago, it has completely Europeanized, go educate your self. All Europeans have non-European origin but they shall remain Europeans forever, including Greeks as well.

[Sikeliot]

Show us your results.

I can't find them but I posted them somewhere. I got like 11% of each West and Southwest Asian.

[orangepulp]

Again...

It doesn't mean that we are SW & West Asiats and thus half "non-Europeans", it means that we just have a common origin. We the Greeks are partly Neolithic and we have came from the Near East at least 9,000-10,000 years ago, but right now we are completely Europeanized(became whiter, we got lighter eyes and hairs-dark brown, our hairs turned straighter, our facial characteristics refined etc), we are not "Asiats" any more, we are Europeans. According to the way you see genetics soon you will come out with statements such as: "Half of Europe is not European".



Your link don't work. 19 GREEKS??? And you think this represent the Greeks?



This gene goes back 10,000 years ago, it has completely Europeanized, go educate your self. All Europeans have non-European origin but they shall remain Europeans forever, including Greeks as well.

Here is the link:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...E&pli=1#gid=24

Whys shouldn't those 19 Greeks represent Greece?? There is no way a countries whole population can be tested.


I never said you are not Europeans for the hundredth time. I just said Greeks carry non European DNA and it is significant (38%). Its almost 1/3 of your ancestry.I don't care when you got this West Asian admixture point is it is present in your genes.

And please stop exaggerating your skin tone, I have seen plenty of swarthy Greeks.

[wvwvw]

And the same goes with Greeks and Italians, genetically they are neither fully Asian or European. If the West Asian component were to be considered European, Europe would stretch all the way to Iran and the Levant.

What am I lying about that West Asian component is not European!! That means Turks, Armenians, Kurds, etc.. are all European!

There are no European and non-European components It is the combination and % of components that counts!

It is the negligable % of the Northern European component in the populations you mentioned that makes them different. Not to mention their other admix that is not found in Southeast Europe. (high % Gedrosia, South-Asian, Sub-Saharan etc)

West Asian+Mediterranean+Northern European= European

West Asian+very low Med+very low NE+very high Gedrosia, Subsaharan or other admix=Not European

[orangepulp]

There are no European and non-European components It is the combination and % of components that counts!

It is the negligable % of the Northern European component in the populations you mentioned that makes them different. Not to mention their other admix that is not found in Southeast Europe. (high % Gedrosia, South-Asian, Sub-Saharan etc)

Due to the frequency of the % of a component in a population a component is named. West Asian component is called West Asian because it peaks in West Asians.

Certain % of Gedrosia is present.

[Sikeliot]

Either way to me it matters where we draw the line of "Europe" and not.. and we've drawn it, in the anthroforum community AND in real life when we think of Europe, at Sicily and Greece. Thus they are EUROPEAN, and Turks/Armenians/etc are not despite some shared genes.

[orangepulp]

West Asian+Mediterranean+Northern European= European

West Asian+very low Med+very low NE+very high Gedrosia, Subsaharan or other admix=Not European

We're not talking about dominant components or mixture of certain components resulting to European or not. We are talking about a component and that is the West Asia component.It is frequent in West Asians making it a ME component.

[Hess]

To the people who voted "no",

Does this mean that Greeks, the intellectual founders of western civilization, are Non-Europeans?

[Damião de Góis]

On that run, West Asian is highest on Armenians, Georgians, Iranians, Pakistanis, and surrounding populations, so i wouldn't call it European. For that it would have to be highest somewhere in Europe