Are light traits in Southern Europe due to the northern European admixture ?

[Sikeliot]

It's too bad all of southern Italy isn't still speaking Greek like they should be!

[ABest]

Yes. But I also think to balance it out, more Greeks today look truly Armenoid than otherwise would because Pontic Greeks are Hellenized and cluster in the Caucasus, and have moved to (and mixed with) other Greeks.

Yeah. Nowadays, I would say Greece is rather homogeneous because Greeks from all over the place have married each other.

That is especially the case in Athens. No one is really an Athenian. Like, no one, seriously.

But that's the case all over Greece as well. That is why group classifications from northern vs southern Greece seem pointless to me. It is impossible to really know the mixed origins of many people in those photos.

[alfieb]

It's too bad all of southern Italy isn't still speaking Greek like they should be!

Know why that is?

The Greeks themselves were to "blame".

They were the stubbornnest, holding out as long as they could against Arab rule with the hope that the Roman Empire, their fellow Greeks, would save them before their cities fell.

It took a century to conquer them, and by then the Arabs were well-settled in the west, so they said fuck it and kept Palermo as the capital, when throughout all of history it had been Syracuse.

When the Normans came along, Palermo was humongous and one of the wealthiest cities on the planet, so it wasn't even a question where to go. Noto, near Syracuse, was the last Arab-held city to fall, twenty years after Palermo was captured.

The Normans and Germans embraced the Sicilian language, but if the capital had been in the East, who knows. Our people may still have been "Greeks" today.

[Sikeliot]

The Normans and Germans embraced the Sicilian language, but if the capital had been in the East, who knows. Our people may still have been "Greeks" today.

The reason I wish Sicilians still spoke Greek and identified as such is because I think there is something to be proud of in a continuous history and one language spoken continuously. Like, if we still spoke Greek we could be like, the Greeks settled, they are our people, and we still speak the same language we did since before Biblical times.

[alfieb]

The reason I wish Sicilians still spoke Greek and identified as such is because I think there is something to be proud of in a continuous history and one language spoken continuously. Like, if we still spoke Greek we could be like, the Greeks settled, they are our people, and we still speak the same language we did since before Biblical times.

Understandable, I was only giving the cause and effect. If Sicily didn't speak a Romance language similar to Italian, I don't think there'd be any question that it would never have been added to Italy.

On the other hand, it may very well have been invaded by the Turks if it remained majority-Greek Orthodox. Who knows, it could be divided like Cyprus today, or have an awful religious split like Bosnia or Albania.

[Sikeliot]

Best case scenario would be a Hellenic Sicily, like any other Greek island.

[ABest]

Best case scenario would be a Hellenic Sicily, like any other Greek island.

That would be amazing. Also southern Italy, up to Naples?

Am I asking for too much?

[Dombra]

Pardon, you're true...this is apulian greek (the ''griko''), not calabrian.

This is calabrian greek



Does it have an Italian accent because its (obviously) located in Italy or did Greek affect the Latin accent long ago?


Yes it's an amazing thing....but unfortunately the language is nearly extinct.

[Peyrol]

Does it have an Italian accent because its (obviously) located in Italy or did Greek affect the Latin accent long ago?

Obviously this girl has an heavy calabrese inflession...the pronunciation of the ''s'' like a snake rattle.

[Sikeliot]

Where in Calabria is Greek still spoken? My Calabrese great grandmother came from Crotone. I am wondering if it's anywhere near that. Considering I have recent Greek relatives on 23andme.