What is your mtDNA Haplogroup

[Insuperable]

I doubt T2 is Upper Paleolithic. So far no mtDNA haplogroup T remains have been found in pre-Neolithic European remains. It is much more likely that most of if not all T came to Europe during and after the Neolithic.

It is just said that it might be present during UP, nobody said anything for sure. Probably since it has high prevalence in Baltic and other northern European countries.

[Kazimiera]

What would mtdna I be? Paleolithic or Neolithic?

[Black Wolf]

It is just said that it might be present during UP, nobody said anything for sure. Probably since it has high prevalence in Baltic and other northern Europeans countries.

Unlikely but I may be proven wrong some day.

[Insuperable]

Unlikely but I may be proven wrong some day.

On what basis do you say "unlikely"? Because so far no remains were positive for T2?

[Black Wolf]

On what basis do you say "unlikely"? Because so far no remains were positive for T2?

Yes and quite a few have been tested from Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic Europe so far. But like I said I could be wrong as there are still many more to test.

[Artek]

I doubt T2 is Upper Paleolithic. So far no mtDNA haplogroup T remains have been found in pre-Neolithic European remains. It is much more likely that most of if not all T came to Europe during and after the Neolithic.

That T2 found in the classic example of Cro-Magnon (this one: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/cromag1.jpg) was confirmed as a contamination.

K is also most likely Neolithic.

Rather so, along with many H, T2, J etc. At least from what we know for today.

On the other hand we have remains from Mesolithic site at Uznyi Oleni Ostrov and 1 of 5 samples was H, 3 of 5 were U and the remaining one was C. We have also one T2b from so called Pitted Ware while rest was mostly U4 and one T* from Bolshoy Oleni Ostrov.

Still, U dominates almost everywhere. We need more samples anyway.

[SkyBurn]

Haplogroup H1



Same as Atlantic Islander

[Equilibrium]

HV4


http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0032851

[Black Wolf]

That T2 found in the classic example of Cro-Magnon (this one: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/cromag1.jpg) was confirmed as a contamination.


Rather so, along with many H, T2, J etc. At least from what we know for today.

On the other hand we have remains from Mesolithic site at Uznyi Oleni Ostrov and 1 of 5 samples was H, 3 of 5 were U and the remaining one was C. We have also one T2b from so called Pitted Ware while rest was mostly U4 and one T* from Bolshoy Oleni Ostrov.

Still, U dominates almost everywhere. We need more samples anyway.

Yes that is correct the so called ''Cro-Magnon 1'' T2 result was confirmed to actually have been much younger than was thought. I believe their sample came forma finger bone that was dated to only the Middle Ages. So no T2 there for sure.

The T2 sample from the PWC (Pitted Ware Culture) most likely came from admixture with TRB Neolithic farmers in Sweden as well as the later T sample found at Bolshoy probably came from admixture with farmers. I have been in contact with a few people who are well respected withing the genetic genealogy community and they even think it may be possible that the older H and J samples from Oleni Ostrov may have come from older contacts with Neolithic farmers further south. I find this a little harder to believe though.

Yes we do need more samples indeed.

[Black Wolf]

It will be interesting to see the mtDNA results of larger numbers of Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic Iberian and Italian remains once they have been properly tested. I have a feeling that a good amount of H will show up among Iberian remains. When it comes to Italy I believe so far there has only been one really reliable sample from Upper Paleolithic Italy tested and it is U5b2b1 from remains in Continenza. The Paglicci samples are rather uncertain I am afraid.