North European ADMIXTURE Component From Eurogenes And Dodecad

[Black Wolf]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...yWTVheVE#gid=1

The MDLP K27 test seems to split the North European hunter-gatherer component in two, a La Brana branch (meaning north euro component in La Brana sample in the test is purely Balto-Finnic) and a Swedish Mesolithic branch (all North European in this sample is NE-Baltic). According to the Fst these are the two most related components in the analysis, and their combined values in population averages are highest in Baltics and Finland. The difference is that the Balto-Finnic (La Brana) peaks in the north and the North European Baltic in the south.

Another point of note is that Sami have less of the Balto-Finnic component here than La Brana or Finns, so it can't be exactly the same as North European Mesolithic from World-22.

Yes I have seen the MDLP K27 analysis as well.

[Kale]

Well going by Dodecad K12b...The only thing that really makes sense is that North European is equivalent to Indo-European (R1a and R1b types). If that's true though, La Brana, being 7000 years old and 40% North European the arrival time of Indo-Europeans in Western Europe has to be pushed back, what, 2500 years or so?

[Black Wolf]

Actually the North European component is now looking incredibly Mesolithic. That is most of it is probably of Mesolithic European hunter-gatherer origin. Look at this recent blog entry by Polako.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.ca/2013/09...efuge-for.html

[Kale]

If that's the case than Indo-Europeans must be looking incredibly Mesolithic too.

[Black Wolf]

If that's the case than Indo-Europeans must be looking incredibly Mesolithic too.

Yup I think that is very likely. BTW this robar guy seems like a true dumb ass.

[Kale]

That begs the question then, what archaeological culture(s) spread them? The ones we think now, just wrongly dated? Or some as of yet undiscovered ones? Or both?

[Ibericus]

Northern-Euro would be a mix of Mesolithic European, with some incoming Neolithic as well as Siberian/Asian (as demonstrated in Dienekes experiments),

[Kale]

Well everywhere you see North_Euro component (from as far as Basques to India to Selkup in Siberia) the only commonality observable is R1a/b. I have a hard time believing its some coincidental mix, rather than just one general population like the rest of the components seem to be. Each part in that mix have their own component(s), why would there be a component for a mix of components?

[Black Wolf]

Northern-Euro would be a mix of Mesolithic European, with some incoming Neolithic as well as Siberian/Asian (as demonstrated in Dienekes experiments),

Polako seems to think that the North European component is definitely now largely made up of Mesolithic European hunter-gatherer origin alleles. Maybe around 80% or so. The rest is probably composed on mostly Neolithic alleles with maybe a small amount of Siberian influence.