Eurogenes K13

[Stormer99]

No you don't, there are specific tests for that such as IBD tests. Which do measure genetic relatedness, these calculators don't exactly do that. If they did, I'd have people of all those ethnicities in my Relative Finder lists. Which I don't.

I am talking about if a certain ancestry pops up every single time it means something. However, you can interpret it a multitude of ways. Some things though are just proxies for Caucasus type ancestry such as Georgia Jews or Azerbaijan Jews. When people get this or Armenian or Georgian it means Caucasus type ancestry either recent or ancient. If someone gets Moroccan or Algerian it means some type of Northwest African ancestry.

[Maleficent]

No they're not, because they measure distant relationships between populations.

Well then, for example, do you think these tests are unhelpful for adopted folks?!

Or hypothetically, an American child of Iraqi Arab immigrants takes the test and clusters with Assyrians on every calculator. Would you say he or she is wrong to conclude his or her particular family is descendant of Arabized Assyrians?!

[ZephyrousMandaru]

I am talking about if a certain ancestry pops up every single time it means something. However, you can interpret it a multitude of ways. Some things though are just proxies for Caucasus type ancestry such as Georgia Jews or Azerbaijan Jews. When people get this or Armenian or Georgian it means Caucasus type ancestry either recent or ancient.

Most of it ancient, no it doesn't necessarily indicate Caucasus admixture. It takes disparate parts of each of their genomes, comprising a microcosm of alleles. Then takes those parts, examines your genotype qualitatively and searches for similarities between aspects of those genomes. Whether in part or as a whole. It shows common ancestry.

Armenians aren't 100% Caucasus, they also have Mediterranean, Southwest Asian and Gedrosian admixture. Which is what these Oracles account for. Take my Oracle Reference 3 Harappa Ancestry Project results for example.

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "75.3% Iraqi Mandaean + 24.7% kurd" "1.7331"
[2,] "89.3% Iraqi Mandaean + 10.7% urkarah" "1.934"
[3,] "80.9% Iraqi Mandaean + 19.1% chechens" "1.9985"
[4,] "16.5% lezgins + 83.5% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.0307"
[5,] "88.4% Iraqi Mandaean + 11.6% stalskoe" "2.0654"
[6,] "18.9% adygei + 81.1% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.1009"
[7,] "52.2% Iraqi Mandaean + 47.8% kurds" "2.1568"
[8,] "79.1% Iraqi Mandaean + 20.9% kumyks" "2.2159"
[9,] "42.3% Georgian + 57.7% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.2198"
[10,] "90.7% Iraqi Mandaean + 9.3% Romany" "2.2385"
[11,] "62% Iraqi Mandaean + 38% abhkasians" "2.2416"
[12,] "36% georgians + 64% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.2654"
[13,] "77.3% Iraqi Mandaean + 22.7% north-ossetians" "2.2806"
[14,] "79.8% Iraqi Mandaean + 20.2% balkars" "2.2919"
[15,] "5.8% lithuanians + 94.2% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4203"
[16,] "6.2% russian + 93.8% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4369"
[17,] "30% Azeri + 70% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4427"
[18,] "16.7% bedouin + 83.3% kurds" "2.4511"
[19,] "5.3% finnish + 94.7% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4551"
[20,] "6.2% belorussian + 93.8% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.46"
[21,] "93.6% Iraqi Mandaean + 6.4% mordovians" "2.4697"
[22,] "24.6% palestinian + 75.4% kurds" "2.4796"
[23,] "16.5% saudis + 83.5% kurds" "2.4917"
[24,] "14.3% yemen-jews + 85.7% kurds" "2.5016"
[25,] "6% paniya + 94% armenians" "2.5213"
[26,] "6% malayan + 94% armenians" "2.526"
[27,] "6.3% sahariya + 93.7% armenians" "2.5283"
[28,] "93.5% Iraqi Mandaean + 6.5% ukranians" "2.5528"
[29,] "93.7% Iraqi Mandaean + 6.3% slovenian" "2.5532"
[30,] "37.9% syrians + 62.1% kurds" "2.564"
[31,] "94% Iraqi Mandaean + 6% n-european" "2.5688"
[32,] "6.2% Dhurwa + 93.8% armenians" "2.5731"
[33,] "6.1% Nihali + 93.9% armenians" "2.5737"
[34,] "6.3% orcadian + 93.7% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.5801"
[35,] "6.3% satnami + 93.7% armenians" "2.5847"
[36,] "5.9% Pulliyar + 94.1% armenians" "2.5998"
[37,] "6.1% kurumba + 93.9% armenians" "2.5998"
[38,] "6% asur + 94% armenians" "2.6044"
[39,] "6% santhal + 94% armenians" "2.6123"
[40,] "10.2% romanians + 89.8% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.6139"
[41,] "79.6% druze + 20.4% Haryana Jatt" "2.6144"
[42,] "6.4% Gond + 93.6% armenians" "2.617"
[43,] "6.6% utahn-whites + 93.4% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.6171"
[44,] "6.4% british + 93.6% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.619"
[45,] "6.1% Bhunjia + 93.9% armenians" "2.6202"
[46,] "7.4% hungarians + 92.6% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.6269"
[47,] "6% mawasi + 94% armenians" "2.6319"
[48,] "6% Mawasi + 94% armenians" "2.6413"
[49,] "60% Iraqi Arab + 40% kurd" "2.6417"
[50,] "6% Tamil Vishwakarma + 94% armenians" "2.6556"

I'm not descended from any of these populations, but what Oracle is detecting are the patterns of my genetic substructure matching some percentage, of each of these populations. Now if I was a gullible idiot, and I genuinely thought I was 60% Iraqi Arab and 40% Kurdish. I would be wrong, since Iraqi Arabs and Kurds aren't in my Relative Finder.

[Stormer99]

Most of it ancient, no it doesn't necessarily indicate Caucasus admixture. It takes disparate parts of each of their genomes, comprising a microcosm of alleles. Then takes those parts, examines your genotype qualitatively and searches for similarities between aspects of those genomes. Whether in part or as a whole. It shows common ancestry.

Armenians aren't 100% Caucasus, they also have Mediterranean, Southwest Asian and Gedrosian admixture. Which is what these Oracles account for. Take my Oracle Reference 3 Harappa Ancestry Project results for example.

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "75.3% Iraqi Mandaean + 24.7% kurd" "1.7331"
[2,] "89.3% Iraqi Mandaean + 10.7% urkarah" "1.934"
[3,] "80.9% Iraqi Mandaean + 19.1% chechens" "1.9985"
[4,] "16.5% lezgins + 83.5% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.0307"
[5,] "88.4% Iraqi Mandaean + 11.6% stalskoe" "2.0654"
[6,] "18.9% adygei + 81.1% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.1009"
[7,] "52.2% Iraqi Mandaean + 47.8% kurds" "2.1568"
[8,] "79.1% Iraqi Mandaean + 20.9% kumyks" "2.2159"
[9,] "42.3% Georgian + 57.7% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.2198"
[10,] "90.7% Iraqi Mandaean + 9.3% Romany" "2.2385"
[11,] "62% Iraqi Mandaean + 38% abhkasians" "2.2416"
[12,] "36% georgians + 64% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.2654"
[13,] "77.3% Iraqi Mandaean + 22.7% north-ossetians" "2.2806"
[14,] "79.8% Iraqi Mandaean + 20.2% balkars" "2.2919"
[15,] "5.8% lithuanians + 94.2% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4203"
[16,] "6.2% russian + 93.8% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4369"
[17,] "30% Azeri + 70% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4427"
[18,] "16.7% bedouin + 83.3% kurds" "2.4511"
[19,] "5.3% finnish + 94.7% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.4551"
[20,] "6.2% belorussian + 93.8% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.46"
[21,] "93.6% Iraqi Mandaean + 6.4% mordovians" "2.4697"
[22,] "24.6% palestinian + 75.4% kurds" "2.4796"
[23,] "16.5% saudis + 83.5% kurds" "2.4917"
[24,] "14.3% yemen-jews + 85.7% kurds" "2.5016"
[25,] "6% paniya + 94% armenians" "2.5213"
[26,] "6% malayan + 94% armenians" "2.526"
[27,] "6.3% sahariya + 93.7% armenians" "2.5283"
[28,] "93.5% Iraqi Mandaean + 6.5% ukranians" "2.5528"
[29,] "93.7% Iraqi Mandaean + 6.3% slovenian" "2.5532"
[30,] "37.9% syrians + 62.1% kurds" "2.564"
[31,] "94% Iraqi Mandaean + 6% n-european" "2.5688"
[32,] "6.2% Dhurwa + 93.8% armenians" "2.5731"
[33,] "6.1% Nihali + 93.9% armenians" "2.5737"
[34,] "6.3% orcadian + 93.7% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.5801"
[35,] "6.3% satnami + 93.7% armenians" "2.5847"
[36,] "5.9% Pulliyar + 94.1% armenians" "2.5998"
[37,] "6.1% kurumba + 93.9% armenians" "2.5998"
[38,] "6% asur + 94% armenians" "2.6044"
[39,] "6% santhal + 94% armenians" "2.6123"
[40,] "10.2% romanians + 89.8% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.6139"
[41,] "79.6% druze + 20.4% Haryana Jatt" "2.6144"
[42,] "6.4% Gond + 93.6% armenians" "2.617"
[43,] "6.6% utahn-whites + 93.4% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.6171"
[44,] "6.4% british + 93.6% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.619"
[45,] "6.1% Bhunjia + 93.9% armenians" "2.6202"
[46,] "7.4% hungarians + 92.6% Iraqi Mandaean" "2.6269"
[47,] "6% mawasi + 94% armenians" "2.6319"
[48,] "6% Mawasi + 94% armenians" "2.6413"
[49,] "60% Iraqi Arab + 40% kurd" "2.6417"
[50,] "6% Tamil Vishwakarma + 94% armenians" "2.6556"

I'm not descended from any of these populations, but what Oracle is detecting are the patterns of my genetic substructure matching some percentage, of each of these populations. Now if I was a gullible idiot, and I genuinely thought I was 60% Iraqi Arab and 40% Kurdish. I would be wrong, since Iraqi Arabs and Kurds aren't in my Relative Finder.

Although you can conclude you are descended from populations similar to the two. It basically indicates Mesopotamian ancestry which you do have.

[Mortimer]

Post the results? for the 50% Ashkenazi Jewish?

I did already. In the thread for it Eurogenes K15 V2. Why are you against that im Jewish, i dont know if i am but why does it bother you,

[Anglojew]

I'm not Jewish, it's just all those populations convey enough genetic similarity to Assyrians, to be used as substitutes for them.

Computers don't lie.

[Anglojew]

how can i know if im jewish?

I think we've confirmed you are. Time to change your name to Romajew

[Mortimer]

I think we've confirmed you are. Time to change your name to Romajew

no it is not confirmed, 23andme didnt confirmed it. their response left me unsatisfied and without knowledge and confirmation

[Stormer99]

Computers don't lie.

Georgian_Jewish is a proxy for Caucasus type ancestry.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I think we've confirmed you are. Time to change your name to Romajew

This.