Catholic/Orthodox Ecumenism

[Twistedmind]

This is from the Orthodox wiki--as you see when the Russian church splt the PoC had nothing to o with it:



The Russian Church thus gained its independence, more by chance than from any deliberate design. Hitherto the Patriarch of Constantinople had appointed the head of the Russian Church, the Metropolitan. At the Council of Florence the Metropolitan was a Greek, Isidore. A leading supporter of the union with Rome, Isidore returned to Moscow in 1441 and proclaimed the decrees of Florence, but he met with no support from the Russians. He was imprisoned by the Grand Duke, but after a time was allowed to escape, and went back to Italy. The chief see was thus left vacant; but the Russians could not ask the Patriarch for a new Metropolitan, because until 1453 the official Church at Constantinople continued to accept the Florentine Union. Reluctant to take action on their own, the Russians delayed for several years. Eventually in 1448 a council of Russian bishops proceeded to elect a Metropolitan without further reference to Constantinople. After 1453, when the Florentine Union was abandoned at Constantinople, communion between the Patriarchate and Russia was restored, but Russia continued to appoint its own chief hierarch. Henceforward the Russian Church was self-governing, but its autocephaly was not ratified by the rest of the Church until 1589.

After the fall of Constantinople in 1453, there was only one nation that saw itself as capable of assuming leadership in Eastern Christendom. The growing might of the Russian state also contributed to the growing authority of the autocephalous Russian Church. To the Russian people, it was a sign from God, that at the very moment when the Byzantine Empire was ending, they themselves were throwing off the few remaining vestiges of Tartar control. To them, Moscow became the Third Rome, a status never acknowledged by the remainder of the Church but nevertheless which served to inspire Russian Orthodox Christians.

You are inded stupid. I allready wrote it to you in my first reply.

Genius from University of Toronto. Lol

[Magnus Maximus]

The Russian calle it the Patriache of Russia even if it wan't a Patriarch but the Russians calle it a Patriarch

so I am right and you are wrong-

You said the Ecumenical Patriarch gave Russia there Auc status but he in't they took it

[Magnus Maximus]

You know so little about your church and country-I bet you are some fat kid sitting in fresno CA pretening to be something they aren't

[Twistedmind]

The Russian calle it the Patriache of Russia even if it wan't a Patriarch but the Russians calle it a Patriarch

No, I showed you perosnal signature of firts head of Russian Orthodox Chruch, where he does not style himself a Patriarch. Now its your word against his. What do you think who knows better.

so I am right and you are wrong-

Lol no. You are stupid. You just contradicted to original and authentic source.

You know so little about your church and country-I bet you are some fat kid sitting in fresno CA pretening to be something they aren't

I am sure University of Toronto has some paper about it.

[Magnus Maximus]

Look I am done arguing with you-You are simply wrong and a waste of time, just like every other Serb I dealt with in Bosnia duplicitous. Just like the Afghans, just like the Iraqis. You sure learned a lot from your Turkish Masters

I will give you one more chance when was the final split and under what circumsatnces. Thats what this whole aurgment has been about.

Back to EO-C someone asked why do I care- I like the EO view on sin and confession and is better developed than the RC's the RC has better developed dogma and freedom of thought-That’s what I like best about the RC Church-They would benefit from Union as the eastern Catholics and the Roman Catholics benefited from each other. Just as the Romans learned from the Greeks and the Greeks from the Romans

[Twistedmind]

Lol

[Windischer]

They would benefit from Union as the eastern Catholics and the Roman Catholics benefited from each other

LOL sure
are you joking man? unionism isnt the way to go. even catholic church has condemned unionism (but didnt deny the right to existence of eastern "uniate" churches)

i rather dont comment the rest of what you wrote

[Tacitus]

At the very least there should be increased dialogue between the Vatican and Constantinople, with the ultimate goal of reunification in mind. As someone who has flirted with the idea of returning to the rite of my ancestors, I'd love to see closer relations between Catholics and Orthodoxy.

[barbatus]

I support developing a closer relationship between the Catholic and Orthodox churches but I don't think a merger should occur. That is, unless the Catholics want to accept Orthodox doctrines. I don't believe the Orthodox churches should budge theologically. Especially on the issue of papal infallibility. Nor WILL they budge. So, the Orthodox churches will never come into full communion with Rome. There are Byzantine Catholic churches people can attend if that's the sort of thing they're looking for.