What's Your Y-DNA Haplogroup?

[Black Wolf]

Yeah my dad did. I still think its a very weird result.

Nah it's not that weird really. R1b exists among Serbs even though it is not the most common haplogroup.

[1stLightHorse]

I'm I2 not I2b* or I2a*, one of the oldest and rarest haplogroups in Europe.

Wow, so surely this could not have been Slavic invasion??

You must descend from some of the first modern humans in the balkans.

[Longbowman]

Wow, so surely this could not have been Slavic invasion??

You must descend from some of the first modern humans in the balkans.

So do you all. YDNA is just one line of descent among millions.

[1stLightHorse]

So do you all. YDNA is just one line of descent among millions.

What are you talking about?

[Longbowman]

What are you talking about?

You said you must descend from the first humans in the Balkans on account of his YDNA clade.

But of course, that's just one line amongst millions. In Cameroon a lot of people are R1b but they're not Indo-European. Similarly, not all my ancestors were E1b1b1c1a and not all of yours were I2a2a. Ultimately YDNA shows 1 line of descent and that's really it. He's no more descended from ancient Balkaners than you are, assuming similar ancestry.

[1stLightHorse]

You said you must descend from the first humans in the Balkans on account of his YDNA clade.

But of course, that's just one line amongst millions. In Cameroon a lot of people are R1b but they're not Indo-European. Similarly, not all my ancestors were E1b1b1c1a and not all of yours were I2a2a. Ultimately YDNA shows 1 line of descent and that's really it. He's no more descended from ancient Balkaners than you are, assuming similar ancestry.

First of all, my point was that his subclade is not indicative of recent mutation. Haplogroup I people migrated into Europe via the Balkans/Anatolia. So, you've taken what i said as a broad statement but it was very specific. Stefan has made threads before about the y-dna of Illyrian people and the possibility that haplogroup I2 was introduced into the Balkans via Slavic invaders. My point is that since his subclade is more Archaic than the usual ones found in the Balkans, it's more likely that it pre-dated slavic invasion and that it has been there since very early on without much mutation. It definitely arrived before E1b, J2, R1b, R1a, etc etc.

I'm well aware of what Y-dna means.

And actually All of your direct paternal ancestors were E1b, and all of mine were I2a2a after mutation. That's what Y-dna is. An unbroken line of paternal ancestry. I was referring to Stefan's paternal line, not his autosomal DNA.

[Longbowman]

First of all, my point was that his subclade is not indicative of recent mutation. Haplogroup I people migrated into Europe via the Balkans/Anatolia. So, you've taken what i said as a broad statement but it was very specific. Stefan has made threads before about the y-dna of Illyrian people and the possibility that haplogroup I2 was introduced into the Balkans via Slavic invaders. My point is that since his subclade is more Archaic than the usual ones found in the Balkans, it's more likely that it pre-dated slavic invasion and that it has been there since very early on without much mutation. It definitely arrived before E1b, J2, R1b, R1a, etc etc.

I'm well aware of what Y-dna means.

And actually All of your direct paternal ancestors were E1b, and all of mine were I2a2a after mutation. That's what Y-dna is. An unbroken line of paternal ancestry. I was referring to Stefan's paternal line, not his autosomal DNA.

I said this.

Anyway my bad, I thought you were referring to his ancestry as a whole.

[Jackson]

You said you must descend from the first humans in the Balkans on account of his YDNA clade.

But of course, that's just one line amongst millions. In Cameroon a lot of people are R1b but they're not Indo-European. Similarly, not all my ancestors were E1b1b1c1a and not all of yours were I2a2a. Ultimately YDNA shows 1 line of descent and that's really it. He's no more descended from ancient Balkaners than you are, assuming similar ancestry.

Well that's obvious right?

When he said "You must descend from some of the first modern humans in the Balkans.", about Stefan Dusan's Y-haplogroup, in a thread about Y-haplogroups - the fact that he was talking about Y-haplogroups has already been made obvious by the context.

[Longbowman]

Well that's obvious right?

When he said "You must descend from some of the first modern humans in the Balkans.", about Stefan Dusan's Y-haplogroup, in a thread about Y-haplogroups - the fact that he was talking about Y-haplogroups has already been made obvious by the context.

Um...it's 3am, and I'm tired? That's a good excuse. I'll use that.

[cally]

Um...it's 3am, and I'm tired? That's a good excuse. I'll use that.

And it's raining!