Actual Importance of Haplogroups

[Longbowman]

The 60% is based on the DNA of 95 Finns, which is an inadequate sample size.

N1c is probably the cause of the alcohol problems in Finland, which would be a typical Siberian trait. 95% of alcoholics are males which makes it a likely Y-linked trait.

Traits selected for in the autosomal DNA would also be selected for on the Y chromosome, so N1c skulls should be broader and rounder, which is a cold adaption trait. The degree of expression would be 10% at the minimum but might be as high as 40%.

Absent brow ridges are supposedly a mongoloid trait (no clear sources on this) and it's unclear how haplogroup D, C, NO, and QR express these.

Or more likely an environmental one.

Your approach is pseudoscientific and is based on presumptions and not facts. Do I 'look E3b?'

[Void]

Or more likely an environmental one.

Your approach is pseudoscientific and is based on presumptions and not facts.

Looks like research is backing up my presumptions. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC22445/

Our results indicate that the risk of alcoholism in Finnish males is influenced by differences in Y chromosomes. Risk ratios suggest that males within clades 1-49, 1-21, and 1-57 were 1.5 times more likely to be alcoholic than males with other Y haplotypes, and the risk for alcohol dependence with ASPD was increased 2-fold within clade 1-57. However, the majority of the risk of alcoholism in these Finnish males is not Y chromosome-associated, and in fact, alcohol dependence is observed with Y haplotypes distributed throughout the cladogram. Twin studies suggest that alcoholism has a heritability of ≈50% (50, 51). Using this figure and data from our population sample, we estimate that Y chromosome variability may account for ≈7% of the total variance and 15% of the genetic variance of alcoholism in these Finnish males.

Haven't been able to figure out what haplogroups they are referencing.

Do I 'look E3b?'

Classifying people is a bit of a pseudo-science. I would at the very least need a side profile.

[Guapo]

I think here at TA we had a thread a while ago polling people with I1 Y-DNA on their heights. Yeah...

Yeah what? Majority of South slavs are I something or other and are taller than majority of Europeans. Neolithics(J,E etc) are the ones that brought short stature and gracile builds to Europe.

[Highlands]

Yeah what? Majority of South slavs are I something or other and are taller than majority of Europeans. Neolithics(J,E etc) are the ones that brought short stature and gracile builds to Europe.

Making things up again ...

[Guapo]

Making things up again ...

High levels of Paleolithic Y-chromosome lineages characterize Serbia.

Regueiro M1, Rivera L, Damnjanovic T, Lukovic L, Milasin J, Herrera RJ.
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Abstract

Whether present-day European genetic variation and its distribution patterns can be attributed primarily to the initial peopling of Europe by anatomically modern humans during the Paleolithic, or to latter Near Eastern Neolithic input is still the subject of debate. Southeastern Europe has been a crossroads for several cultures since Paleolithic times and the Balkans, specifically, would have been part of the route used by Neolithic farmers to enter Europe. Given its geographic location in the heart of the Balkan Peninsula at the intersection of Central and Southeastern Europe, Serbia represents a key geographical location that may provide insight to elucidate the interactions between indigenous Paleolithic people and agricultural colonists from the Fertile Crescent. In this study, we examine, for the first time, the Y-chromosome constitution of the general Serbian population. A total of 103 individuals were sampled and their DNA analyzed for 104 Y-chromosome bi-allelic markers and 17 associated STR loci. Our results indicate that approximately 58% of Serbian Y-chromosomes (I1-M253, I2a-P37.2 and R1a1a-M198) belong to lineages believed to be pre-Neolithic. On the other hand, the signature of putative Near Eastern Neolithic lineages, including E1b1b1a1-M78, G2a-P15, J1-M267, J2-M172 and R1b1a2-M269 accounts for 39% of the Y-chromosome. Haplogroup frequency distributions in Western and Eastern Europe reveal a spotted landscape of paleolithic Y chromosomes, undermining continental-wide generalizations. Furthermore, an examination of the distribution of Y-chromosome filiations in Europe indicates extreme levels of Paleolithic lineages in a region encompassing Serbia, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Croatia, possibly the result of Neolithic migrations encroaching on Paleolithic populations against the Adriatic Sea.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22310393

According to one study on remains of early Europeans, prior to 16,000 BC, European males stood 179 cm tall, or 5’10.5″, and females stood 158 cm, or 5’2″. Between 8,000 to 6,600 BC, average heights had dropped to 166 cm for males. Heights fell even further in Neolithic populations, dropping down to 164 cm for males and 150 cm for females, only reaching and surpassing 170 cm at the end of the 19th century.


Another source found that Paleolithic humans living between 30,000 and 9,000 BC ran almost 5’10”, which is close to the average modern American male’s height. After agriculture was fully adopted, male height dropped to 161 cm, or 5’5.4″. Females went from 166.5 cm to 154.3 cm under the same parameters.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-c...#ixzz3JTyeUBkq

[Highlands]

It comes about by accumulation. Maternal lines should also be considered, they are just as important and the vast majority are Neolithic.

[Longbowman]

Looks like research is backing up my presumptions. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC22445/

Haven't been able to figure out what haplogroups they are referencing.

Classifying people is a bit of a pseudo-science. I would at the very least need a side profile.

I have two classification threads, both of which came up as overwhelmingly Western European.

Your presumption is this:

1) Women don't have YDNA
2) Ergo YDNA makes all the difference between the sexes
3) Ergo YDNA determines all masculine traits

Wrong. Most of these traits exist in women but are dormant or diminished. All YDNA does is 'activate' the genes in question. YDNA does not include the genes for 'brow ridges' and other things.

It also doesn't contain the genes for reaction to alcohol as women have those too.

Seriously. Stop. It's pseudoscience.

[Äijä]

The 60% is based on the DNA of 95 Finns, which is an inadequate sample size.

N1c is probably the cause of the alcohol problems in Finland, which would be a typical Siberian trait. 95% of alcoholics are males which makes it a likely Y-linked trait.

Traits selected for in the autosomal DNA would also be selected for on the Y chromosome, so N1c skulls should be broader and rounder, which is a cold adaption trait. The degree of expression would be 10% at the minimum but might be as high as 40%.

Absent brow ridges are supposedly a mongoloid trait (no clear sources on this) and it's unclear how haplogroup D, C, NO, and QR express these.

The 60% is close to the truth looking at all the studies and projects.

The rest is drivel, pseudoscience and speculation, is your previous name Butlerking?

[Void]

Seriously. Stop. It's pseudoscience.

I prove you wrong and your response is rather dramatic. Has anyone with half a brain been ran off of this board?

[Longbowman]

I prove you wrong and your response is rather dramatic. Has anyone with half a brain been ran off of this board?

You haven't come close to proving me wrong. YDNA doesn't do what you think it does. You have hijacked a thread that was supposed to remind people that ydna and mtdna are the smallest and least relevant parts of your adna and not only do you strive to deny this, you fill the thread with a) irrelevant and b) incorrect OT. You're wrong, as I have explained to you.

Your paper is interesting. Please provide one that backs up anything else you've said and I won't point out the obvious flaw in it.