Pashtuns: A genetically South Asian ethnicity wrapped in self hate(?)

[StonyArabia]

What you heard is false, or at least not completely true - arabs hardly have an impact, they probably have made more of an impact on western iran, during the Abbassid reign of khorasan there was some settling of arabs that occurred in eastern khorasan but it was quite minimal. Here's a link on that actually
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid...ion#Background

Yes I know, this why I said that Arabs did not make a significant impact, and Pashtuns have no relationship to Arabs unlike Levantines who do, and show a good amount of Arabian admixture. I would not called Southwest Iran impacted, as it was an Arab region just annexed by the Persians in 1925, and before by their empire. The same is true of the south Iranian islands, these islands are Arab to part of the UAE originally and inhabited by Arabs, but this besides my point.

[Arhat]

I just read Pashtuns are mixed with Arabs? Are you serious the Arabs had barely any impact. Also Pashtuns don't show any genetic affinity to Arabia/Arabians like Levantines do, and to lesser extent some people in Southern Europe. Anyways Pashtuns seem to be mixed around the people around them, not Arabs. Although some might claim to be Syeds or Sharifs but often these ancestries are false with the exception of the Royal House of Hashemite in Arabia, Iraq, and Jordan. Also Pashtuns barely show any Semitic admixture, which often comes as sign of Arabian lineage. The Arabian impact was significant in the west in both linguistic and cultural aspect, but not so much in the east.

pashtuns show much less arabic/semitic admixture than many except.Actually they show almost none or none .The muslim warriors and missionaries who spread islam to afghanistan were mostly converted afghans,persians or turks so quite few arabs settled there.Some still claim arabic ancestry in afghanistan but several genetic studies showed that this people are almost entirely of local origin and lack semitic admixture. Some arabs settled in modern iran (khuzestan and khorasan) but their genetic impact should not be exaggerated there and was probably also very low

Persian language dominated the eastern islamic world in the past like arabic dominated the western islamic world. So persian language and culture was closely linked to the court culture,poetry and the elites in the eastern islamic world. Most eastern islamic people were much more influenced by persian language and culture than by arabic language and culture because of that

But Pashtuns were for the most time a rather rural and isolated population and some even lived as nomads so they lived mostly outside of the urbanized areas of central asia which were once dominated by eastern iranic languages like bactrian and sogdian but after the establishing of islam there, persian influences increased drastically in urban areas and most of the population of urban areas adopted persian which is a western iranic language. Later persian spread from this urban areas further into some rural areas and today some pamiri tajiks are also adopting persian as their first language

Pashtuns and pamiri people preserved their eastern iranic languages because they lived quite isolated for a long time and pashtuns often have a strong ethnic identity which is also but not only based on their language. Later many pashtuns moved into urban areas and were urbanized. Today most large cities in afghanistan and western pakistan have a large pashtun population. So many pashtuns in afghanistan speak also dari (afghan persian/farsi) and many pashtuns in pakistan speak also urdu.

[Black Wolf]

I just read Pashtuns are mixed with Arabs? Are you serious the Arabs had barely any impact. Also Pashtuns don't show any genetic affinity to Arabia/Arabians like Levantines do, and to lesser extent some people in Southern Europe. Anyways Pashtuns seem to be mixed around the people around them, not Arabs. Although some might claim to be Syeds or Sharifs but often these ancestries are false with the exception of the Royal House of Hashemite in Arabia, Iraq, and Jordan. Also Pashtuns barely show any Semitic admixture, which often comes as sign of Arabian lineage. The Arabian impact was significant in the west in both linguistic and cultural aspect, but not so much in the east.

It seems to be a rather common theme for Islamic peoples around the globe to claim ancestry from Syeds even when in reality most of them probably are not. Must be for status reasons.

[jatt]

what mongoloid you autistic obsessed troll? You're literally posting old people and elders now and not youth whether in afghanistan or the west but yeah those are definitely pashtuns, you need to visit an optometrist if you think they're anything similar to daalkhors. There's a reason they call it the irano-afghan race and not anything else for christ's sake. first south asian and now mongoloid? Just end yourself, your mother must have dropped you on your head as a child for you to end up this retarded.

And you literally have to be trolling, every single indian and paki I know does not consider us south asian and considers us a completely foreign, with very little in common.

As everyone here have said, we're literally our own thing, we definitely have south asian in us as the genetic studies show (each showing an average of 7-12%), there's minimal asian and everything else is as it's written, now screw off and stop trying to lump us in with you when your own people on the overwhelming majority don't, when we consider ourselves not related to you and when the entire world shares the same sentiment.

I aint trolling my friend and if you don't like my views I can stop posting but you haven't got the crux of the last post..you aint more different to us than eastern Indians or southern to northern or andomanese to all Indians or tribal people of india to rest. ethipians are also black my friend although they perceive themelves to be arabs.. world view them as blacks. your peoplecan blend in well among kashmiris yep afghan wear is different I know. there are natives in north America who cluster with whites more but don't look it. if a black person is genotypically more closer to Europeans but look black he is black. regarding you accusing me for putting up picture of older afghans I can post crowd pictures from Kabul but stop behaving like gandhis 4 monkeys... n by the way irano afghans race can be found among many Indians its not confined to afghansitan..this is my last post ..peace out

[Arhat]

I aint trolling my friend and if you don't like my views I can stop posting but you haven't got the crux of the last post..you aint more different to us than eastern Indians or southern to northern or andomanese to all Indians or tribal people of india to rest. ethipians are also black my friend although they perceive themelves to be arabs.. world view them as blacks. your peoplecan blend in well among kashmiris yep afghan wear is different I know. there are natives in north America who cluster with whites more but don't look it. if a black person is genotypically more closer to Europeans but look black he is black. regarding you accusing me for putting up picture of older afghans I can post crowd pictures from Kabul but stop behaving like gandhis 4 monkeys... n by the way irano afghans race can be found among many Indians its not confined to afghansitan..this is my last post ..peace out

you are just again embarrassing yourself here again. Most europeans think we are arabs,anatolian turks,caucasians or persians when they see us but some pashtuns even can look like southern europeans . Pashtuns are predominately west asian looking but with a distinct special look which they share to some extent only with tajiks,pamiri,nuristani,burusho and some other people in southern central asia. Nobody except some indians think that pashtuns could pass in india and indians could pass as pashtuns.Some pashtuns are quite dark and some have a indic shifted look but even most of the dark pashtuns look very different from odinary indians. The irano-afghan race doesnt exists among indians and just show me one indian who looks like a typical pashtun. Even kashmiri look still quite different from pashtuns but they have some similarities.I have never encountered one indian who looked similar to ordinary pashtuns and even jatts look just like other indians but a bit taller and lighter.Pashtuns speak an eastern iranic language,dont look south asian,cluster genetically with pamiri people,are muslims and have a very different lifestyle and culture compared to all south asians.Their only connection to south asia is that they raided it and invaded it very often and please dont say me that this make them already south asian.

[jatt]

As I said before you should visit Nepal to get any misconceptions bout ur people Cleared. U don't look European or like us jatts u look like Kashmiris and mongoloid and caucasoid hybrid plus some look pakistani punjabi types. Don't flatter urself I never said u look like jatts. Kashmir and Nepal are the places where pashtoons can blend in easily

[jatt]

And for last time Pakistan n majority Afghanistan is in South Asia too

[Kamal900]

As I said before you should visit Nepal to get any misconceptions bout ur people Cleared. U don't look European or like us jatts u look like Kashmiris and mongoloid and caucasoid hybrid plus some look pakistani punjabi types. Don't flatter urself I never said u look like jatts. Kashmir and Nepal are the places where pashtoons can blend in easily

Kashmir yes but not in Nepal. I never seen a Pashtun looking like a Nepalese or Turanid, and all of the Afghans that i have met look either Iranian or West Asian. There are some who do look Indid or Turanid and etc but for the most part they look more Similar to Tajiks, Pamiris, Persians and to some extent to Levantines, Iraqis and North-west Indians.

[jatt]

Kashmir yes but not in Nepal. I never seen a Pashtun looking like a Nepalese or Turanid, and all of the Afghans that i have met look either Iranian or West Asian. There are some who do look Indid or Turanid and etc but for the most part they look more Similar to Tajiks, Pamiris, Persians and to some extent to Levantines, Iraqis and North-west Indians.

That's because u Probably nevEd been to Nepal. I lived in kathmandoo For couple Of years and believe me mixing of caucasoid and mongoloid for years do produce theSe Pashtoon types. They ain't even fairer in complexion to Nepalis contrary to what Many here would been believing. Pashtoons are south Asians n like their buddy Pakistani suffer from inferiority complex. They think by being south Asians people will think they are like Tamils. Now we jatts are what 20 percent North euro by genotype yet we take it as an insult if someone would say we are not from South asia. Lack of self respect I would say. Living in South Asia but we Ain't south Asians.

[jatt]

Iranians have a softer differEnd look pashtoons look more mountainous breed N regarding turanid type just look at their famous politician Imran khan he looks a cross between mongoloid and Caucasoid