Scytho-Turkic Z93 branch Z2125 vs. Indo-Aryan migration theory

[Petros Houhoulis]

I do.

Turkey will be Shia in 50 years.

Turkey will be Kurdish in 50 years...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Yes I still don't understand why Shias are worse than Sunnis though.

They are not. It's the usual quabbling between Shias and Sunnis.

[Böri]

But... Why? Why does being Sunni means being more developed? What has Iran's underdevelopment to do with Iran being Shiite? I don't understand you.

This isnt about sect. The Iranian regime is evil, they are responsible for the war in ME. The people of Iran can have same life standards as UAE people but they are poor people as the regime spend all money to spread radicalism. Iran must be secular and Mullah radicalism must end.

[KawaiiKawaii]

This isnt about sect. The Iranian regime is evil, they are responsible for the war in ME. The people of Iran can have same life standards as UAE people but they are poor people as the regime spend all money to spread radicalism. Iran must be secular and Mullah radicalism must end.

Iran's regime is evil... just like Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are much more responsible for the war in the ME than Iran. They are after all the main financier of the various revolutions in the ME. Actually, Iran's regime is evil only for Iranians, whereas the rest are evil for everybody.

Iran is poor because of its regime, but mainly because they are isolated by the West from the international community. Don't get me wrong, I very much dislike the crazy Islamic regime, but this regime is not worse than the Saudi or Qatari one.

[Böri]

Iran is very important for sunni islam. Hadith scholars are mostly persian. I have also read rumi's mesnevi and sadi. Both persian.

It's a shame that a sunni sheikh was not happy about his position and became suddenly shia, and his grandson ismail invented qizilbash and has killed every sunni (turkoman,kurd,arab etc). And made iran shia.. If iran was a sunni country, they'd be like turkey, maybe even more developed.

That's right. Iran didnt allow any Sunnis and they killed them. Ottomans allowed Shias this why there is Alevi people in Turkey today.

[Böri]

Iran's regime is evil... just like Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are much more responsible for the war in the ME than Iran. They are after all the main financier of the various revolutions in the ME. Actually, Iran's regime is evil only for Iranians, whereas the rest are evil for everybody.

Iran is poor because of its regime, but mainly because they are isolated by the West from the international community. Don't get me wrong, I very much dislike the crazy Islamic regime, but this regime is not worse than the Saudi or Qatari one.

Saudi and Qatar are open to world and they are developed countries. Iran isnt open, they have much oil and gas but Iranian people must work in UAE as toilet cleaners. Iranian regime are evils. They started radicalism in ME, they push people identify with sect above everything. This is why Iraqi Turkmens are divided. ISIS story is same this is reaction to Iranian sectarianism.

[Böri]

You just cross the line.

The Alevis, as more secular than the Sunnis, formed the backbone of Kemalism for ages.

Too bad for them that the Kemalists had them for granted and were willing to ditch them in order to appease the Sunnis in every occasion...

Kemalists are secular Sunni Turks not Shias. This was always same. Turkey was always ruled by Sunnis.

[KawaiiKawaii]

Saudi and Qatar are open to world and they are developed countries. Iran isnt open, they have much oil and gas but Iranian people must work in UAE as toilet cleaners. Iranian regime are evils. They started radicalism in ME, they push people identify with sect above everything. This is why Iraqi Turkmens are divided. ISIS story is same this is reaction to Iranian sectarianism.

Open to the world? They ban alcohol, women driving, they're still absolute monarchies, no democracy, no freedom of speech, sharia law, etc. Pretty closed to the world IMO. They're developed because they're allied with the West, meaning that they can freely develop themselves, while Iran is isolated by everybody, which means that they can't develop properly and must work as toilet cleaners in UAE as you said.

How did they start radicalism in the ME? Even if they did start it, I see mainly the Gulf states promoting radicalism these days, not Iran.

As I said, Iran and Saudi Arabia have pretty much the same national policies. Their international policies differ, and I see Saudi Arabia as the principal culprit financing terrorism in the ME and all over the world.

Of course, neither of these regimes have my sympathy.

[Böri]

I do.

Turkey will be Shia in 50 years.

No.Iranian regime will get destroyed. People hate religion in Iran as they see religion the reason for corruption, lack of equality and poverty despite all oil and gas. As regime use all money to spread Shia bigotry and radicalism

[Böri]

Open to the world? They ban alcohol, women driving, they're still absolute monarchies, no democracy, no freedom of speech, sharia law, etc. Pretty closed to the world IMO. They're developed because they're allied with the West, meaning that they can freely develop themselves, while Iran is isolated by everybody, which means that they can't develop properly and must work as toilet cleaners in UAE as you said.

How did they start radicalism in the ME? Even if they did start it, I see mainly the Gulf states promoting radicalism these days, not Iran.

As I said, Iran and Saudi Arabia have pretty much the same national policies. Their international policies differ, and I see Saudi Arabia as the principal culprit financing terrorism in the ME and all over the world.

Of course, neither of these regimes have my sympathy.

There is facts. You are European. There is millions Europeans working in Saudi or Qatar oil/gas industry. But not in Iran as this is a country like North Korea and closed to world. Also see google, Jeddah in Saudi or Dubai in Qatar are very developed cities with modern infrastructure. And you compare with Tehran in Iran, Tehran is like Angola its slums.
And Iran has lots oil and lots gas, Saudis only oil. Turkey has no oil or gas but at least two times more developed than Iran.

People in Iran especially young generations think this is because their religion and are all atheists. You don't know Iran, street prostitution is very spread as poverty-stricken people. There is also sex tourists who go to Tehran from Turkey as some women sell their body there. Only reason is their biggot regime who use money for spread Shia radicalism and they don't use money for improve people life.