Scytho-Turkic Z93 branch Z2125 vs. Indo-Aryan migration theory

[Proto-Shaman]

ok guys, lets set an end to this endless R1a indo-european or Turkic bs. I just say haplogroup P and Native American R + Q. Google and be quite.

[Demhat]

I totally agree. Many Turkic people (in Central Asia, Siberia, the Volga region) have Scythian genes on the Y chromosome as well as autosomal. But of course this does not mean that the Scythians were Turkic-speaking.

At least someone with sense so far.

[Petros Houhoulis]

ok guys, lets set an end to this endless R1a indo-european or Turkic bs. I just say haplogroup P and Native American R + Q. Google and be quite.

The only haplogroup spread from Japan and Korea to Turkey is the haplogroup C. The others are not spread all over the Altaic world, and have to be dismissed...

[Artek]

The only haplogroup spread from Japan and Korea to Turkey is the haplogroup C. The others are not spread all over the Altaic world, and have to be dismissed...

We have to agree that R1a was picked up and took part in expansion of Turkic people, although probably at least double % of of it was slaughtered as a result.

But any Z93 to some point in history spoke an indo-iranian language, that's beyond doubt to me. There are no genuinely Turkic branches of it aside from some very downstream clades.

[Petros Houhoulis]

We have to agree that R1a was picked up and took part in expansion of Turkic people, although probably at least double % of of it was slaughtered as a result.

Only in the direction of the west, since no R1a exists in Japan or China. Before that, C was certainly the original haplogroup.

But any Z93 to some point in history spoke an indo-iranian language, that's beyond doubt to me. There are no genuinely Turkic branches of it aside from some very downstream clades.

Indeed, R1a is Satem Indo-European...

[Bure]

you wanna see my scyth tattoo?

[Bure]

At least someone with sense so far.

that's true with the east turkic people in central asia, volga region, east ukraine etc having scythian genes. as i said bulgars, chuvash etc are descendants of scythians.
avars may as well

[Proto-Shaman]

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[Bure]

i don't read what a guy with a chechnya flag says anyway

[Proto-Shaman]

Guys, the Scytho-Iranic theory is an european dogma solely based on linguistic pseudo-science. If you still believe this myth (itself 100% refuted by genetics, anhtropology, ethnography etc)... it's up to you, I can only welcome you the the 21st century. The Indo-European culture is not a rival with the Turkic culture, their origins and histories are much interspersed, the protestations appearing in the posting are aimed solely at distortions and misrepresentations endemic to the Eurocentric offshoot of the science, and a full credit must be given to Eurocentrism for the studies that unwittingly advanced Turkology.

Coming to haplogroup C:

1. hp C is not limited to Altaics.
2. hp R is not limited to IE's.
3. Language groups share multiple hp's!
4. Altaic is not even an accepted family, and it never will.




5. The most ancient source of R1a1 haplotypes is provided by the people now living in northern China. It was shown (Bittles et al., 2007) that for a number of Chinese (Sino-Tibetan+Altaic) populations, such as Hui, Bonan, Dongxiang, Salars, a percentage of R1a1 haplotypes reached 18% - 32%.

6. The gene pool of the Turkic-speaking peoples of Siberia such as Altaians, Khakas, Shors and Soyots, living between the Altai and Lake Baikal along the Sayan mountains, are genetically closest to Amerindians. Sorry, but I can't detect any sign of IE except of this.

7. Turkic branch of hp P ! ... keep ignoring it...