Scytho-Turkic Z93 branch Z2125 vs. Indo-Aryan migration theory

[Proto-Shaman]

What do you mean by that statement even, do you think its some kind of trick or something? As i said, leave the iranic and other people's cultures and heritages alone, and just take pride in your own heritage and accomplishments more.

I don't want do own Iran.

[Demhat]

Ottomans and Seljuks were not only war like people but they took elements of other cultures, which made their own relatively advanced. I also don't see why some people feel the need to take pride in other peoples heritage.

I mean even without trying to take away the Iranic groups heritages. There are still signficant/important groups such as the Ottomans, Seljuks, Ghaznavids, Cumans, Khazar, Göktürks as example, in which they can take pride.

[Pahli]

Ottomans and Seljuks were not only war like people but their culture was relatively advanced. I also don't see why some people feel the need to take pride in other peoples heritage.

I mean even without trying to take away the Iranic groups heritages. There are still the Ottomans, Seljuks, Timurids, Cumans, Khazar, Göktürks as example in which they can take pride.

Thats because they want to be linked with Europeans, and they can't do this without claiming some of our heritage as their.

[Kamal900]

I don't want do own Iran.

When i said iranian peoples i meant by iranic peoples like Pashtuns, Pamiris, Yaghnobi, Tajiks, Lurs, Ossetians and etc. I know many Balochi people in Oman, and i dont like it when people like you try to demonize them by staling their ancestral heritage away from them(Baloch are a north-west iranian people who make up around 27 percent of the Omani population). Besides, isn't kemalism based on europeanism and demonization everything middle easterner?

[Proto-Shaman]

Ottomans and Seljuks were not only war like people but they took elements of other cultures, which made their own relatively advanced. I also don't see why some people feel the need to take pride in other peoples heritage.

I mean even without trying to take away the Iranic groups heritages. There are still signficant/important groups such as the Ottomans, Seljuks, Timurids, Cumans, Khazar, Göktürks in which they can take pride.

According to the official story even Cumans must be of Iranic orign.

[Proto-Shaman]

When i said iranian peoples i meant by iranic peoples like Pashtuns, Pamiris, Yaghnobi, Tajiks, Lurs, Ossetians and etc. I know many Balochi people in Oman, and i dont like it when people like you try to demonize them by staling their ancestral heritage away from them(Baloch are a north-west iranian people who make up around 27 percent of the Omani population). Besides, isn't kemalism based on europeanism and demonization everything middle easterner?

I am not interested in stealing Iranian elements. I am also not interested in Kemalism.

[Pahli]

According to the official story even Cumans must be of Iranic orign.

Cumans are as what I know, of Turkic origin.

[Proto-Shaman]

Cumans are as what I know, of Turkic origin.

Turkic origin, yes and no, but genealogical data tend more to a Saka origin, which is, according to the current mainstream, Iranian.

[Demhat]

Thats because they want to be linked with Europeans, and they can't do this without claiming some of our heritage as their.

Cumans and Khazars were pretty much connected to Europe, also Ottomans expanded into Europe.

[Demhat]

Turkic origin, yes and no, but genealogical data tend more to a Saka origin, which is, according to the current mainstream, Iranian.

As already wrote, Turanian people in general are a mixture of Iranic and Altaic groups, in terms of Cumans it was Massagaeta or Scythians with just some Altaic elements. Cumans were probably allot more Scythian than Mongol like based on DNA.

You have to realize without an Iranic elements, there is no Turkic people. early Iranic element is what makes Turkic tribes what they are and sets them apart from Mongols.