Were the Gauls of France related to Irish Celts?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Are they genetically related?

[Graham]

Are they genetically related?

There is no evidence. We don't have any Gaulish samples yet.

My assumption would be that the Modern French would be similar to the Gauls, rather than irish.

[Bloodnigger]

As much as the modern french of the most "gallic" areas related to the irish, I suspect. All the terms we have for ancient northern europeans come from old southern european historiography and they used blanket terms much like we do today. "Arabs", for example.

[Anglojew]

Yes, all Celts were related but many of the people labelled "Celts" in both countries were "pre-Celts" (also related though). An interesting new study:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31695214

[Graham]

Yes, all Celts were related but many of the people labelled "Celts" in both countries were "pre-Celts" (also related though). An interesting new study:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31695214

We have another thread on this from a few weeks back when the paper was released.
http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/e...13433.full.pdf

The Genomes from the ancient samples are now available. So we should see how the Bell Beaker and others compare on K15/K13 Eurogenes.. Which works great with Oracle and comparison to Modern populations.

We already know that the one High coverage Iron Age Briton from South East England matches with Ireland & West Scotland. This wasn't used in the latest study I posted above.

[Grace O'Malley]

Irish don't appear to be particularly related to French only in a kind of North Western European context. By that I mean that populations appear to be related to each other depending on their geographic positions. Neighbours are usually more related to each other. Saying that though there hasn't really been great genetic studies done on either the French or the Irish. I know that the Irish DNA Atlas project will release some preliminary results next year so hopefully we will get a better idea of the Irish population. This is quite a stringent test as people have to have all 8 of their grandparents from the one county. I don't expect any great surprises though and expect similarities to their neighbours across the Irish Sea. Hopefully they might find some pockets of distinctiveness in some more isolated areas. It would be interesting to know if in some places they were affected by the Hugenouts or Pallatines for example. Anyway looking forward to some results because there hasn't really been any great studies done on a wide scale in Ireland.

[Black Wolf]

Well they are/were probably related in the fact that both the Celts in Ireland and the Gauls/Celts in France are/were dominated by Y-DNA haplogroup R1b1.

[Grace O'Malley]

Well they are/were probably related in the fact that both the Celts in Ireland and the Gauls/Celts in France are/were dominated by Y-DNA haplogroup R1b1.

Yes but that is throughout Western Europe. Looking at dna cluster maps genetic relationships appear to be geographic. Northern French would be closer to Southern English for example. I also assume if a closer relationship exists then a population wouldn't cluster geographically but closer to a related population. Ireland cluster a bit more north of England. I'm sure there is a connection because of being in the geographic area but populations all appear to have spent time in Britain before coming to Ireland explaining the dna clustering. L21 is quite high in Northern France especially as it is an area under sampled but a lot of the L21 in Ireland came via Britain and not directly from France. All R1b came from East to West anyway.

[Black Wolf]

Yes but that is throughout Western Europe. Looking at dna cluster maps genetic relationships appear to be geographic. Northern French would be closer to Southern English for example. I also assume if a closer relationship exists then a population wouldn't cluster geographically but closer to a related population. Ireland cluster a bit more north of England. I'm sure there is a connection because of being in the geographic area but populations all appear to have spent time in Britain before coming to Ireland explaining the dna clustering. L21 is quite high in Northern France especially as it is an area under sampled but a lot of the L21 in Ireland came via Britain and not directly from France. All R1b came from East to West anyway.

All correct.

[blubb]

The reason why Bretagne is so high in L21 is because lots of Insular Celts settled there from Britain in around the 5th century (maybe pushed by Anglo-Saxon invasions in Britain), their language is also more related to Irish/Welsh etc. than to the (all extinct) Continental Celtic ones like Gaulish.
So any comparison between (ancient) Celts on the Continent and the Insular ones has to exclude Bretagne
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