The non-Aryan origin of "Iranians"

[lameduck]

We have ancient East African admix, if you mean that by Negro, at least ethnic Arabians do, and they lack the West African and if some of them do it's recent. It's funny I have both ANE at quite high levels, and low East African, the first is from the Circassian side and the latter is from the Arabian side. That said we don't share much ancestry with Iranians, we have far more Basal Eurasian base to us than them.

If you dont mind telling what is your ANE level, did you used Eurogenes K8. I am interested since you have two ancestries.

[Pahli]

so, do you say that some superman chinchongs from Japan jumped over asia and Turkified a population of %90 ? cool, anyway it is of topic and has nothing to do with Iranians Aryanism

East Iranians in Andronovo culture fucked with Mongols, happened around West Mongolia / East Central Asia, this resulted in the birth of Turkic people, hence why some of them barely look East Asian, while others do.

Azeris that see themselves as Turks are people with lost identities, but most consider themselves Persian.

[gültekin]

East Iranians in Andronovo culture fucked with Mongols, happened around West Mongolia / East Central Asia, this resulted in the birth of Turkic people, hence why some of them barely look East Asian, while others do.

Azeris that see themselves as Turks are people with lost identities, but most consider themselves Persian.

cool story bro, but this topic is about current Iran, not Turkics

[gültekin]

FTDNA Y-DNA results about the ethnic groups of Iran:
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...-Project/page3
https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults
Assyrian
F3-P96
G1*-M342
G2a-P15
J1*-M267
T1-M320

Azeri
G*-M201
R2a-M124
R2a-M124

Arab
G-M201
G1*-M342
J1-M267
R1a1-M17

Judeo-Persian
R2a-M124

Luri
E1b1b1-M35
J2a4b-M67

Parsi/Tati (Transcaucasian Persian)
E1b1b1c1-M34

Persian
G-M201
G1a-P20
J2-M172 (x2)
J2a4a-M47
J2a4b-M67
J2a4d-M319
Q*-M242

Qajar
J1*-M267

Seyyed
J1c3d-L147

Tajik
R2*-M479

Talysh
G2a3b1-P303

[Bizhan]

this "geneticist" must be some kind of closeted pan-turkist, persians and kurds have the highest levels of ANE among west asian groups!

[Kamal900]

so, do you say that some superman chinchongs from Japan jumped over asia and Turkified a population of %90 ? cool, anyway it is of topic and has nothing to do with Iranians Aryanism

Azeris are even better:

"The origin of the Turkic-speaking population of the north-western provinces of Iran, the so-called Azaris, is the subject of long-year debate. Here, we present preliminary results on testing of several hypotheses concerning their origin: 1) the Azaris are the descendants of the Turkic ethnic groups migrated from Central Asia; 2) they have an autochthonous origins; 3) they are of Iranian origin; and 4) they have mixed ethnic origin with unknown proportions of source populations' contribution. The results show that Azaris have much weaker genetic affinity with the populations from Central Asia and the Caucasus than with their immediate geographic neighbours. Relying on these outcomes one can suggest that language replacement (change) with regard to Azaris occurred through 'elite dominance' mechanism rather than 'demic diffusion' model."
Levon Yepiskoposian, Shot Margarian, Laris Andonian, and Vahid Rashidvash. "The Location of Azaris on the Patrilineal Genetic Landscape of the Middle East (A Preliminary Report)." Iran and the Caucasus 15:1-2 (2011): pages 73-78

"A previous analysis of mtDNA variation in the Caucasus found that Indo-European-speaking Armenians and Turkic-speaking Azerbaijanians were more closely related genetically to other Caucasus populations (who speak Caucasian languages) than to other Indo-European or Turkic groups, respectively. Armenian and Azerbaijanian therefore represent language replacements, possibly via elite dominance involving primarily male migrants, in which case genetic relationships of Armenians and Azerbaijanians based on the Y-chromosome should more closely reflect their linguistic relationships. We therefore analyzed 11 bi-allelic Y-chromosome markers in 389 males from eight populations, representing all major linguistic groups in the Caucasus. As with the mtDNA study, based on the Y-chromosome Armenians and Azerbaijanians are more closely-related genetically to their geographic neighbors in the Caucasus than to their linguistic neighbors elsewhere. However, whereas the mtDNA results show that Caucasian groups are more closely related genetically to European than to Near Eastern groups, by contrast the Y-chromosome shows a closer genetic relationship with the Near East than with Europe."
Ivan Nasidze, Tamara Sarkisian, Azer Kerimov, and Mark Stoneking. "Testing hypotheses of language replacement in the Caucasus: evidence from the Y-chromosome." Human Genetics 112 (2003): pages 255-261

"The data on the genetic studies of Iranian-speaking populations from Azerbaijan (Talyshs and Tats) are presented. In these populations gene frequency distributions for the immunological (AB0, MN, Rhesus-D, -C, -E, P, Lewis, and Kell-Chellano) and biochemical (HP, GC, Cprime3, TF, 6PGD, GLO1, ESD, ACP1, and PGM1) gene markers were determined. Comparison of the genetic structure of the populations examined with the other Iranian-speaking populations (Persians and Kurds from Iran, Ossetins, and Tajiks) and Azerbaijanis showed that Iranian-speaking populations from Azerbaijan were more close to Azerbaijanis, than to Iranian-speaking populations inhabiting other world regions."
P. Sh. Asadova, Yu. V. Shneider, I. N. Shilnikova, and O. V. Zhukova. "Genetic Structure of Iranian-Speaking Populations from Azerbaijan Inferred from the Frequencies of Immunological and Biochemical Gene Markers." Russian Journal of Genetics 39:11 (November 2003): pages 1334-1342.

"The Azari people likely derive from ancient Iranic tribes, such as the Medians in Iranian Azerbaijan. [...] Today, the Azari language is completely replaced by Turkish or Azeri language. The question remains whether this language replacement happened with Turkish people gene flow or it happened simply as a result of acculturation without gene flow." The study presents the Azeris' Y-DNA data in Figure 1, "Frequencies of the main Y-chromosome haplogroups in the whole Iranian population (inset pie)", where it is shown that G-M201, J2-M410, Q-M242, R1-M269, R1-M198, and T-M70, are some of the haplogroups encountered among the Azeris of Iran. The exact percentages of their presence are listed on "Table 1. Haplogroup frequencies (%) in the examined Iranian groups."
"Ancient Migratory Events in the Middle East: New Clues from the Y-Chromosome Variation of Modern Iranians." PLoS ONE 7(7) (July 18, 2012).

[Pennywise]

Modern Iran has nothing to do with old so-called Aryans. This is not a secret, no one deny that except bunch of nationalists.

[Pahli]

Modern Iran has nothing to do with old so-called Aryans. This is not a secret, no one deny that except bunch of nationalists.

Everyone knows the truth except you pan-Turdanist with your fake theories

[Pennywise]

Everyone knows the truth except you pan-Turdanist with your fake theories

lol. get lost you kurdish troll.

[Pahli]

lol. get lost kurdish troll.

Why should I get lost, while I'm retaining a fairly high maturity in this thread, you and your turdanist brothers are constantly spilling bullshit in this and other threads, please gtfo and stop being an idiot.